Evolution as a Life Giving Process

[AV1611VET]

They are all "homo".

I said that in my post.

I'm asking if they are all men?

YES or NO?

If you want to call them that, pony up.

 

[Colter]

Yes

But seriously, here, I will give you something more to mock me for, something to consider for you and I both have faith, we both believe that when God says "let there be life" it happens. However, behind the scenes there is actual work going on. There are a myriad of created beings who carry out such directives in accordance with the will of God. When Jesus desired the water to be turned to wine, It wasn't magic, he had at his disposal numerous celestial beings who knew how to make it happen.


According to the UB, when life was created on earth it didn't appear suddenly like magic however the "spark of life" does occur.


LIFE TRANSPLANTATION



36:3.1 Life does not spontaneously appear in the universes; the Life Carriers must initiate it on the barren planets. They are the carriers, disseminators, and guardians of life as it appears on the evolutionary worlds of space. All life of the order and forms known on Urantia arises with these Sons, though not all forms of planetary life are existent on Urantia.

36:3.2 The corps of Life Carriers commissioned to plant life upon a new world usually consists of one hundred senior carriers, one hundred assistants, and one thousand custodians. The Life Carriers often carry actual life plasm to a new world, but not always. They sometimes organize the life patterns after arriving on the planet of assignment in accordance with formulas previously approved for a new adventure in life establishment. Such was the origin of the planetary life of Urantia.

36:3.3 When, in accordance with approved formulas, the physical patterns have been provided, then do the Life Carriers catalyze this lifeless material, imparting through their persons the vital spirit spark; and forthwith do the inert patterns become living matter.

36:3.4 The vital spark—the mystery of life—is bestowed through the Life Carriers, not by them. They do indeed supervise such transactions, they formulate the life plasm itself, but it is the Universe Mother Spirit who supplies the essential factor of the living plasm. From the Creative Daughter of the Infinite Spirit comes that energy spark which enlivens the body and presages the mind.

36:3.5 In the bestowal of life the Life Carriers transmit nothing of their personal natures, not even on those spheres where new orders of life are projected. At such times they simply initiate and transmit the spark of life, start the required revolutions of matter in accordance with the physical, chemical, and electrical specifications of the ordained plans and patterns. Life Carriers are living catalytic presences which agitate, organize, and vitalize the otherwise inert elements of the material order of existence.

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36:3.7 During the ages intervening between life establishment and the emergence of human creatures of moral status, the Life Carriers are permitted to manipulate the life environment and otherwise favorably directionize the course of biologic evolution. And this they do for long periods of time.

36:3.8 When the Life Carriers operating on a new world have once succeeded in producing a being with will, with the power of moral decision and spiritual choice, then and there their work terminates—they are through; they may manipulate the evolving life no further. From this point forward the evolution of living things must proceed in accordance with the endowment of the inherent nature and tendencies which have already been imparted to, and established in, the planetary life formulas and patterns. The Life Carriers are not permitted to experiment or to interfere with will; they are not allowed to dominate or arbitrarily influence moral creatures.

36:3.9 Upon the arrival of a Planetary Prince they prepare to leave, though two of the senior carriers and twelve custodians may volunteer, by taking temporary renunciation vows, to remain indefinitely on the planet as advisers in the matter of the further development and conservation of the life plasm. Two such Sons and their twelve associates are now serving on Urantia

 

[DogmaHunter]

I said that in my post.

I'm asking if they are all men?

YES or NO?

If you want to call them that, pony up.

As I said, humans (men) are homo sapiens.

So the answer is no. Only the Homo Sapiens is a human

 

[DogmaHunter]

Here is the Biblical definition of "kind":

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

I would say the closest [plutoed] word academia has for "kind" is "genus."

If that's not good enough, then make up another word for it.

If academia can pluto "child" to "fetus" ... then act like it understands, it can certainly pluto "kind" to [whatever] and act like it understands.

Tell it to your fellow creationists who can't seem to agree on what a "kind" is.
Not that it matters, off course.

The bible says a lot of things. None of which are relevant to scientific inquiry.

 

[SkyWriting]

So it's all about superficial "appearances"?

Scientists use the fancier word "observations".

 

[AV1611VET]

However, behind the scenes there is actual work going on. There are a myriad of created beings who carry out such directives in accordance with the will of God.

Did these gremlins also go to work to "let the dry land appear"?

When Jesus desired the water to be turned to wine, It wasn't magic,

No kidding -- it was a miracle.

... he had at his disposal numerous celestial beings who knew how to make it happen.

Either that, or the elements in and around the water rearranged themselves to Jesus' specifications.

 

[SkyWriting]

AV1611VET said: ↑
They're all men, aren't they?

They are all "homo". They are not all "homo sapiens". Men = homo sapiens. If you were to meet them in real life, you wouldn't call them "humans". The oldest ones, you'd consider them more like a new kind of ape like chimps and gorilla's yet more "human-like". Just like a chimp is more "human-like" compared to a macaque for example.

You might call them "white russians" just to poke fun.

Nick Valuev​

 

[AV1611VET]

So the answer is no. Only the Homo Sapiens is a human

I said MEN.

Why are you plutoing my words to make your philosophy look right?

Here ... I'll answer my own question ... since I'm not ashamed of what I believe:

All the above are men.

If they were alive today, they'd be citizens with a birth certificate and social security number.

Don't get me wrong.

They would be easy to spot (see their skeletal profiles).

All but the Homo sapiens would be plagued.

 

[AV1611VET]

Tell it to your fellow creationists who can't seem to agree on what a "kind" is.

My fellow creationists don't worry about what a kind is, like my fellow Bible-hating whitecoats do.

Not that it matters, off course.

Actually it does -- but not to us.

The bible says a lot of things.

Indeed It does.

None of which are relevant to scientific inquiry.

But that won't stop inquiring minds from begging for a definition that's useable under an electron microscope, will it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Scientists use the fancier word "observations".

Like they can see what we see, eh?

Godisnowhere.

We see: God is now here.
They see: God is nowhere.

 

[AV1611VET]

You might call them "white russians" just to poke fun.

I call them "men."

I don't make a distinction between "human" and "subhuman" like evolutionists do.

One of America's bloodiest wars was fought over a scientific distinction between "favoured races."

 

[Colter]

Did these gremlins also go to work to "let the dry land appear"?No kidding -- it was a miracle.Either that, or the elements in and around the water rearranged themselves to Jesus' specifications.

Did these gremlins also go to work to "let the dry land appear"?No kidding -- it was a miracle.Either that, or the elements in and around the water rearranged themselves to Jesus' specifications.

Dry land appear? Sort of, they knew the land masses would break up and move around, so they planted the created primitive life forms in three separate places.

To the Bantu tribe in Africa a Tylenol is a “miricle”, but to us it’s not because we understand how it works.

What seemed like a miricle to Jesus followers wasn’t a miricle to those who made it happen outside of our range of vision.

And to God nothing is a miricle, he just knows how to do it all.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I said MEN.

"Men" aren't humans?

Why are you plutoing my words to make your philosophy look right?

1. not philosophy, but science
2. "men" = humans.

Here ... I'll answer my own question ... since I'm not ashamed of what I believe:
All the above are men.

You believe a lot of false things, so this doesn't mean much.

If they were alive today, they'd be citizens with a birth certificate and social security number.

If you say so.

Doesn't change the fact that humans are homo sapiens.

 

[Colter]

The proof is uncovered from the layers of the ancient earth. YEC has no proof, just faith/trust in the men who created the creation story of Genesis. It was written back before we knew much of anything about the earth or the evolution of life. They were right to assume it came from God but wrong to assume Adam and Eve were the first humans.

 

[AV1611VET]

They were right to assume it came from God but wrong to assume Adam and Eve were the first humans.

So were Homo ergaster, Homo heidelbergenesis, Homo sapiens, Homo habilis, Homo erectus, and Homo neanderthalensis all men?

 

[Heissonear]

We are in an Era that after extensive scientific enquiry of unearthed fossils that science shows evolution never happened.

We ourselves have experienced part of this Era, and was not told the scientific facts about what the fossil record shows.

What we have been told, and still dominately promoted in public schools, is Evolution has been the process for how all fosdils and current life around us has been produced.

This is the heart topic of this thread. How evolution is promoted as the life given process for origin of life we see, past and present.

However, the fossil record does not support evolution ever happened.

 

[Colter]

So were Homo ergaster, Homo heidelbergenesis, Homo sapiens, Homo habilis, Homo erectus, and Homo neanderthalensis all men?

Well...…..they were probably Catholic priest fer-sure! But I would use the term "Hominina".

In the UB the revelators consider true humans to be those who are will conscious and able to be indwelt by the spirit of God. They came about 1,000,000 years ago. The tribe that true human beings came from had other offshoots and retrogressions

 

[Shemjaza]

We are in an Era that after extensive scientific enquiry of unearthed fossils that science shows evolution never happened.

We ourselves have experienced part of this Era, and was not told the scientific facts about what the fossil record shows.

What we have been told, and still dominately promoted in public schools, is Evolution has been the process for how all fosdils and current life around us has been produced.

This is the heart topic of this thread. How evolution is promoted as the life given process for origin of life we see, past and present.

However, the fossil record does not support evolution ever happened.

Just repeating a lie till the cows come home is a useless endeavor.

Try responding in detail to one of the dozens of times people have presented the fossil sequences that line up with genetic patterns.

You spamming as if no one has responded in this very thread has the appearance of just squealing: "NO! NO EVOLUTIONS!! NOOOOOO!!!"

 

[AV1611VET]

Well...…..they were probably Catholic priest fer-sure!

Are there any Catholic priests who are Urantians that you know of?

In the UB the revelators consider true humans to be those who are will conscious and able to be indwelt by the spirit of God. They came about 1,000,000 years ago. The tribe that true human beings came from had other offshoots and retrogressions

And is this information with respect to our science, or in spite of it?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Evolutionists have stated for two centuries that life on Earth came about through evolution.

It was Charles Darwin "Origin of the Species" text in 1859 that formulated the mechanisms of how evolution worked in producing all of the lifeforms of the past and present.

But since Darwin's days Earth Scientists have only unearthed lifeforms without a sequence of fossils between them. In other words, between any two different lifeforms there has been a complete gap of missing fossils that showed one lifeform -through sequential morphological details - demonstratedly changed into another lifeform.

This is very very odd. Zero fossils showing that evolution is by scientific evidence a life giving process.

At this point in time, year 2018, evolution lacks the very proof it says it produces.

In the fossil record and in modern times all we see are species of animals.

By way of scientific investigation and evidence we are now at the point in time evolution is not based on science but on conjecture.

Evolution can no longer be presented/promoted to the masses as the only way life past and present has come about on Earth.

The God of the Bible can no longer be stiff-armed and pushed aside in how life on Earth came about. Godless naturalistic man can no longer state science and Naturalism can account for the Cosmos, Earth and life on Earth as the sole source for their existence.

Evolution is now based on conjecture, in year 2018.

What's next? The Creator of the Bible unfolding His Purpose in the Latter Times? Evolutionists diehards resistant to give up their more than a century old position of how life came about on Earth, even by many words of conjecture?

I see that you're still lying for your cause again, after you have been shown repeatedly that your claims are wrong.