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Evolution and the myth of "scientific consensus"

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Loudmouth

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Biologist system are more like an automobile than a river. A fuel line is design with a purpose in mind unlike a river.

Prove it. Show me the mind that designed it, with evidence. YOU claim that it was designed, so YOU provide the evidence.

If you really want to understand the difference you need to read all of Howard Glicksman post.
Starting here:
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/02/how_the_body_wo093941.html
He does a great job revealing ID in our living body.
Language is the product of the mind.

That is no different than the purpose and function of rivers. It is simply what bodies do and the result of biological reproduction.

Thee is no evidence of any small variations of eyes for NS to select from.

Every species with eyes has variation within eyes. Even humans have variation in color detection.

All eyes comes fully formed.

What does that even mean? How do you determine if an eye is fully formed?
 
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Prove it. Show me the mind that designed it, with evidence. YOU claim that it was designed, so YOU provide the evidence.



That is no different than the purpose and function of rivers. It is simply what bodies do and the result of biological reproduction.
I did just that but you choose to ignorant the evidence. That link show the difference between the living body vs a river. Just as gasoline in an automobile it has to be controlled all the way thought in order for the car to work.

Every species with eyes has variation within eyes. Even humans have variation in color detection.
Is color variation is the best example you got? if so that evidence against evolution than for it. Or better yet is the blind cave fish. That's the best NS can do.


What does that even mean? How do you determine if an eye is fully formed?
For example there are no example of a movable eyeball in a eye socket without muscles to control them.
 
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I did just that but you choose to ignorant the evidence. That link show the difference between the living body vs a river.

WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR DESIGN??????

Is color variation is the best example you got? if so that evidence against evolution than for it.

You claimed that there were no variations among eyes within the same species. You are wrong.

For example there are no example of a movable eyeball in a eye socket without muscles to control them.

Prove it. Show us that there has never been an eyeball found in a socket with very limited muscular control.
 
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WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR DESIGN??????
Read those links if you are interested.

You claimed that there were no variations among eyes within the same species. You are wrong.
How can natural selection select between color variations since that would not impact someone ability to reproduce?

This video help to show what variations I'm referring to. It's possible that a flat eyespot could have become a curved light spot but the other step have parts just popping into existence as if it's ID.


Prove it. Show us that there has never been an eyeball found in a socket with very limited muscular control.
I believe that your claim which you need to prove. note i wrote without any muscular control at all. since I don't accept Darwin's "eyeball" story it's not up to me to prove it didn't happen.
 
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Read those links if you are interested.

Already have. No evidence.

How can natural selection select between color variations since that would not impact someone ability to reproduce?

Please show that color vision has no effect on reproductive success.


I believe that your claim which you need to prove. note i wrote without any muscular control at all. since I don't accept Darwin's "eyeball" story it's not up to me to prove it didn't happen.

You claimed that no such eye has ever existed. Where is your evidence?
 
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Already have. No evidence.
It's there.


Please show that color vision has no effect on reproductive success.
Explain to me how that would effect someone reproduction.



You claimed that no such eye has ever existed. Where is your evidence?
I claimed there is no evidence even in the fossil record that eye ever existed. I can't show you evidence that doesn't exist.
 
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It's there.

Prove it.

Explain to me how that would effect someone reproduction.

Not being able to differentiate ripe fruit from unripe fruit. This would reduce the food you eat and reduce the number of offspring you can support. Someone with color vision would be able to get to more ripe fruit faster.

I claimed there is no evidence even in the fossil record that eye ever existed. I can't show you evidence that doesn't exist.

If you can't evidence your claims, DON'T MAKE THEM. It is a rather straightforward solution.

100 years ago there were no examples of H. erectus. Now we have many. Not having a fossil right here and now is not evidence that such a creature never existed. If you entire argument rests on negative evidence, then you have no argument.
 
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No, you haven't. You have only presented subjective opinions. Where is the evidence?

This is the problem. Not one ID/creationist can present evidence for their claims. All they can do is refuse to accept facts and make false claims about evolution.
How ironic. You have not provided one piece of evidence..zero to show that the design we see in life forms is incorrect, inaccurate or an illusion. You just have assertions and no evidence. You have opinion, an opinion I might add that is not reflective of the scientists that make the claim. They know that the evidence is design, they know that the appearance needs an explanation. If it were just a subjective opinion, there would be no need to address it at all.
 
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Prove it.



Not being able to differentiate ripe fruit from unripe fruit. This would reduce the food you eat and reduce the number of offspring you can support. Someone with color vision would be able to get to more ripe fruit faster.



If you can't evidence your claims, DON'T MAKE THEM. It is a rather straightforward solution.

100 years ago there were no examples of H. erectus. Now we have many. Not having a fossil right here and now is not evidence that such a creature never existed. If you entire argument rests on negative evidence, then you have no argument.
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Prove it.
" If you really want to understand how life came into existence you must first understand how easily it can become non-existent. Just as a mechanic knows that there are many different ways a car can "die," so too every physician knows that there are many different pathways to death. Theories about life that only describe where the different parts may have come from, or even how they may have come together to perform a specific function, as difficult as that may be, are not good enough. For medical science knows that when the body has allowed the rules of physics and chemistry to take over, having lost control and not being able to maintain the right level of any one chemical or vital function, then the consequence is death."
Not being able to differentiate ripe fruit from unripe fruit. This would reduce the food you eat and reduce the number of offspring you can support. Someone with color vision would be able to get to more ripe fruit faster.
Are you suggesting that those who are color blind can't tell the difference between ripe fruit from unripe fruit? So you think people who eat less fruit has less offspring?

If you can't evidence your claims, DON'T MAKE THEM. It is a rather straightforward solution.

100 years ago there were no examples of H. erectus. Now we have many. Not having a fossil right here and now is not evidence that such a creature never existed. If you entire argument rests on negative evidence, then you have no argument.
We are talking about the eye. I claim there is no evidence of the undeveloped eye just like there is no evidence of Martians even in the fossil record.
 
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How ironic. You have not provided one piece of evidence..zero to show that the design we see in life forms is incorrect, inaccurate or an illusion.

What design?
 
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What design?
The design that appears in organisms. Scientists agree that organisms appear to be designed with a purpose. The evidence of this design is in the structural elements and molecular machines of those organisms.
 
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The design is the evidence. It is up to anyone who claims this evidence is incorrect, inaccurate or an illusion to provide evidence to support it.
I don't accept design, so it's non sequitur as far as I'm concerned. Now, if you'd like me to consider your claim of design, I'd be happy to consider evidence you may have.
 
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I don't accept design, so it's non sequitur as far as I'm concerned. Now, if you'd like me to consider your claim of design, I'd be happy to consider evidence you may have.
If you want to deny the design that is seen by scientists and layperson's alike that is totally up to you.
 
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If you want to deny the design that is seen by scientists and layperson's alike that is totally up to you.
Yes, I deny design. If you accept the illusion of design as actual design, then it's incumbent upon you to show us why we shouldn't think of you as gullible. So far, nothing.
 
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