Evidence of miracles.

[Hans Blaster]

if multiple labs testing similar samples from similar unrelated circumstances, and there is no question that all are testing the same sample it is beyond reasonable doubt.

"Reasonable doubt" is a legal concept, not a scientific one. I'm not sure why you brought it up.

Different labs get the same result with the same sample. OK, that's good. So we know something about the sample.

The different samples matter. When several radiocarbon labs tested the same sample with the same method, it was one test repeated not several tests. And it was the biggest mistake in dating history. So yes scientists screw up.

Not sure why they would carbon date a fresh blood/tissue sample. Sounds like they don't really know what they should look for.

But there is so much evidence on this that the burden of proof has reversed. It is a fact there is no DNA code, until someone can give a reason why all the labs simultaneously failed on multiple different independent samples.

There is no "DNA code" (DNA is not a code), but that's a separate issue.

Not sure what the point of this claim about DNA detection was.

 

[partinobodycular]

if one lab says “ there’s no DNA code” is interesting , not conclusive .
If several say it of this sample , that says this sample or testing is an anomaly.

Source please. Because every source that I have been able to find for the bleeding statue of Cochabamba says that there actually was human DNA present.

"We have studied this statue. We brought it [the sample of blood from the statue in Bolivia] to New Orleans to the Gentest Laboratories. We didn't say [to the laboratory staff] that these samples come from a statue. I said, "Can you make an analysis of these blood samples." We did the same in Australia. The results: the blood is human. It has genetic code and it belongs to the human beings."
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http://the-anointed-one.com/BBU84/biblicalstupidity/science.htm

"The sample of the blood like substance from the statue was given to Gentest Laboratories in the United States for testing. The laboratory was not told the origin of the sample. They found that the substance was blood and that it contained human DNA."​

Religious Phenomena – Icsouza’s Weblog

"The sample of a red substance that exuded from the bust was taken to Gentest Laboratories in the United States for testing, which identified it as blood that contained human DNA. A second lab in Australia confirmed the finding."​

https://www.spiritdaily.org/rivas3.htm

So once again, when I actually take the time to research your claims I find that they're not accurate. How many times do you expect me to do this before I simply dismiss them out of hand?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Google Cochabamba statue. Better still buy the book.

So I did (the Googling, not the buying).

I'm not sure why it is relevant. It is just a very large statue (100+ feet) outdoors in Bolivia made of concrete and steel.

No debunking, no bleeding, no nothing. Just a big, in-your-face exposition of religious dominance.

 

[Mountainmike]

So is that the limits of your ability to research... It figures.

Try cochambamba bleeding statue - do I need to explain google search too?

If you type correctly you might find this...
The Bleeding Statue of Christ, In Couchabamba Bolivia | Reason To Believe

It is not 100 feet high. So all of the arguing you have done, is not even based on finding the right phenomenon! No wonder...

So I did (the Googling, not the buying).

I'm not sure why it is relevant. It is just a very large statue (100+ feet) outdoors in Bolivia made of concrete and steel.

No debunking, no bleeding, no nothing. Just a big, in-your-face exposition of religious dominance.

 

[Hans Blaster]

So is that the limits of your ability to research... It figures.

Try cochambamba bleeding statue - do I need to explain google search too?

If you type correctly you might find this...
The Bleeding Statue of Christ, In Couchabamba Bolivia | Reason To Believe

It is not 100 feet high. So all of the arguing you have done, is not even based on finding the right phenomenon! No wonder...

Give better instructions.

 

[Mountainmike]

And how many times do I have to tell you to go back to the work of the people who did it.

Not anothers blog. Not a character assassination. The actual reports.
Then You might even find the gentest reports and the interviews with those who did it. Who alll conclude the same.

Sure there was DNA. That is why they were all surprised they couldnt sequence it.

The only thing that could be sequenced is mitochondrial haplogroup.

Repeated in 3 eucharistic miracles and a statue numerous time.

Only one test ever done gave the statue a nuclear code, over a decade later after much handling by all and sundry. It was the owners. Then single cell leucocyte tests done after that, confirmed both the lack of nuclear code but a mitochondrial haplotype.

I canfind a dozen non entity blogs that confirm miracles. I give them no time. Neither should you.

I will not respond again, till after you have read teserorieros research. You clearly have no idea what is there.

Source please. Because every source that I have been able to find for the bleeding statue of Cochabamba says that there actually was human DNA present.

"We have studied this statue. We brought it [the sample of blood from the statue in Bolivia] to New Orleans to the Gentest Laboratories. We didn't say [to the laboratory staff] that these samples come from a statue. I said, "Can you make an analysis of these blood samples." We did the same in Australia. The results: the blood is human. It has genetic code and it belongs to the human beings."
​

http://the-anointed-one.com/BBU84/biblicalstupidity/science.htm

"The sample of the blood like substance from the statue was given to Gentest Laboratories in the United States for testing. The laboratory was not told the origin of the sample. They found that the substance was blood and that it contained human DNA."​

Religious Phenomena – Icsouza’s Weblog

"The sample of a red substance that exuded from the bust was taken to Gentest Laboratories in the United States for testing, which identified it as blood that contained human DNA. A second lab in Australia confirmed the finding."​

https://www.spiritdaily.org/rivas3.htm

So once again, when I actually take the time to research your claims I find that they're not accurate. How many times do you expect me to do this before I simply dismiss them out of hand?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And how many times do I have to tell you to go back to the work of the people who did it.

Why can't you give it?

 

[Mountainmike]

The idiots guide you mean

Give better instructions.

 

[Mountainmike]

Its not mine to give.

Why can't you give it?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Its not mine to give.

That makes absolutely no sense.

You can't just go "Hey, here's an actual link to what so-and-so said", like a regular person can? You wouldn't be plagiarizing someone's work by quoting or linking to their work. Saying that we need to look it up whoever you say said whatever is just intellectual laziness.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Give better instructions.

Fascinating. The web page title spells it Cochabamba and the link spells it Couchabamba.

Seems that reasontobelieve.com isn't very diligent in pursuing accuracy.

 

[Mountainmike]

Fascinating. The web page title spells it Cochabamba and the link spells it Couchabamba.

Seems that reasontobelieve.com isn't very diligent in pursuing accuracy.

Or some dozy web geek was thinking more about snowboarding than accuracy.
The owner is a lawyer of high standing. He did not build the site. But there are no material errors I have found in his books.

 

[Mountainmike]

I did. I gave a link to a site.

You will not make a scientist unless you can research it from there.

Here is a relevant paper. You will not understand it.


Very Short Mitochondrial DNA Fragments and Heteroplasmy in Human Plasma

You have to accept that credible labs state that mitochondrial heteroplasmy is normal in trauma particularly heart.

Very Short Mitochondrial DNA Fragments and Heteroplasmy in Human Plasma

Or just accept what the pathologists say about cochabamba.
Ask Lawrence.
Scabs that indicate life. Could not result from blood dropped.
Epithelium mashed in it. With thorn cells.
Oval leucocytes show trauma and life.
No nuclear DNA code.
Same mitochondrial haplogroup.

But then I told you that.
Nothing will ever satisfy you.

That makes absolutely no sense.

You can't just go "Hey, here's an actual link to what so-and-so said", like a regular person can? You wouldn't be plagiarizing someone's work by quoting or linking to their work. Saying that we need to look it up whoever you say said whatever is just intellectual laziness.

 

[partinobodycular]

I will not respond again, till after you have read teserorieros research. You clearly have no idea what is there.

So your only response is...go buy the book.

Never gonna happen.

 

[Mountainmike]

So your only response is...go buy the book.

Never gonna happen.

There are plenty of tesoriero interviews even "blood of christ" videos out on the web.

Go to the ones who did it, not ANother blog. Or skepdic.

You need the books for some of the detail.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I did. I gave a link to a site.

You will not make a scientist unless you can research it from there.

Here is a relevant paper. You will not understand it.


Very Short Mitochondrial DNA Fragments and Heteroplasmy in Human Plasma

You have to accept that credible labs state that mitochondrial heteroplasmy is normal in heart trauma.

Or just accept what the pathologists say.
Scabs that indicate life. Could not result from blood dropped.
Epithelium mashed in it. With thorn cells.
Oval leucocytes show trauma and life.
No nuclear DNA code.
Same mitochondrial haplogroup.

But then I told you that.

First off: you REALLY need to drop your attitude because you are coming across as a very arrogant person

Secondly: you're link, even a quick glance and go over for keywords gives nothing of it talking about miracles or any such events, so that's a red herring.

And three: you keep saying that you won't link or even quote to the works of the people you claim to be the experts on this subject. Why? You won't get in trouble for linking to their works or quoting their works from a free site. It's not against the law.

So either A) you just don't want to link or quote them because you feel that somehow it's beneath you, which shows a very massive lack of intellectual integrity from the person who started this thread.
Or
B) you can't link or quote to them because you don't know what they said, which shows a very massive lack of intellectual integrity from you.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I will not respond again, till after you have read teserorieros research

I don't know what 'teserorieros research' is. Google only returns to this site for the word "teserorieros".

Have you considered that you might be a very sloppy typist and communicator? (We have.)

 

[Hans Blaster]

You will not make a scientist unless you can research it from there.

Here is a relevant paper. You will not understand it.


Very Short Mitochondrial DNA Fragments and Heteroplasmy in Human Plasma

You have to accept that credible labs state that mitochondrial heteroplasmy is normal in trauma particularly heart.

Very Short Mitochondrial DNA Fragments and Heteroplasmy in Human Plasma

Is this because you're a geneticist (or something) and claim that we mere plebes will never understand. (We've had those types here before...)

Is this some sort of odd UKer dialect I don't know: "You will not make a scientist unless you can research it from there." If I understand correctly my response (in dialect) should be:

"I already make a scientist. Research it many things I have."

 

[Mountainmike]

The Last refuge of a sceptic, insult the poster!

I know exactly what they said. I have a dozen books and videos.

I have linked a précis.
The Bleeding Statue of Christ, In Couchabamba Bolivia | Reason To Believe

I have listed the main claims, I have linked videos nobody watches, and books nobody buys.

Some of the books have 50 pages of forensic reports.
If you want detail you must buy them.

Reality is you would not know a myocardial tissue section if hit you on the head, nor a mitichondrial haplogroup. The point of the paper I showed. The science relies on that knowledge.

All you can rely on is pathologist headline claims. You know them.

Yet you dismiss them out of hand. You argued lack of DNA code made it fantasy. Alas that is the repeated science. It also makes it inexplicable as does other factors that show life.

If it interests you you will study it.
But don’t claim there is no evidence, that is clearly false

First off: you REALLY need to drop your attitude because you are coming across as a very arrogant person

Secondly: you're link, even a quick glance and go over for keywords gives nothing of it talking about miracles or any such events, so that's a red herring.

And three: you keep saying that you won't link or even quote to the works of the people you claim to be the experts on this subject. Why? You won't get in trouble for linking to their works or quoting their works from a free site. It's not against the law.

So either A) you just don't want to link or quote them because you feel that somehow it's beneath you, which shows a very massive lack of intellectual integrity from the person who started this thread.
Or
B) you can't link or quote to them because you don't know what they said, which shows a very massive lack of intellectual integrity from you.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The Last refuge of a sceptic, insult the poster!

I know exactly what they said. I have a dozen books and videos.

I have linked a précis.
The Bleeding Statue of Christ, In Couchabamba Bolivia | Reason To Believe

I have listed the main claims, I have linked videos nobody watches, and books nobody buys.

Some of the books have 50 pages of forensic reports.
If you want detail you must buy them.

Reality is you would not know a myocardial tissue section if hit you on the head, nor a mitichondrial haplogroup. The point of the paper I showed. The science relies on that knowledge.

All you can rely on is pathologist headline claims. You know them.

Yet you dismiss them out of hand. You argued lack of DNA code made it fantasy. Alas that is the repeated science. It also makes it inexplicable as does other factors that show life.

If it interests you you will study it.
But don’t claim there is no evidence, that is clearly false

If you have all their works, why won't you cite them? Quote them? Link to them?

Why do you refuse to do even a smidgen of work to try and get us onto your side? You want us to learn but you do nothing to teach.