Evidence of miracles.

[AV1611VET]

Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

 

[SelfSim]

Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

The topic was wisdom, and you somehow claimed the question was a 'scientific' one, no?

 

[AV1611VET]

The topic was wisdom, and you somehow claimed the question was a 'scientific' one, no?

If you knew the answer to the question, you would know what I'm getting at.

Q: You were born wise, weren't you?
A: Yes.

My point is that, according to evolution, we are "Homo sapiens," which means "wise men."

Thus we are wise by virtue of the fact that we are human beings.

So for a self-wise to call a person self-righteous is ... shall we say ... ironic.

 

[SelfSim]

So for a self-wise to call a person self-righteous is ... shall we say ... ironic.

Is that your demonstration of self-righteousness then?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is that your demonstration of self-righteousness then?

Notice what Paul says here:

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I was born foolish and carried on that way until I get enough of the board of education applied to the seat of knowledge to increase wisdom in me.

"Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child but the rod of correction will drive it far from him" (Proverbs 22:15).

 

[SelfSim]

I was born foolish and carried on that way until I get enough of the board of education applied to the seat of knowledge to increase wisdom in me.

"Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child but the rod of correction will drive it far from him" (Proverbs 22:15).

So you accept and embrace brutality as the means of improving your knowledge?

 

[SelfSim]

Notice what Paul says here:

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

So says the human author of such parables ..

 

[AV1611VET]

So says the human author of such parables ..

Parables?

How many times have you seen that "parable" fulfilled?

Specifically, how many atheists do you know who claimed to be Christians at one time, and now are not Christians because they had questions their pastor couldn't answer?

In other words, they were Christians at one time, then started considering themselves "wise men," and ended up atheists.

Just as Paul said.

 

[SelfSim]

How many times have you seen that "parable" fulfilled?

I see a continuing process of acquiring wisdom, with reflections upon mistakes made along the way.

I don't recall anyone declaring themselves as being wise (except maybe in jest, or in story-telling).

Specifically, how many atheists do you know who claimed to be Christians at one time, and now are not Christians because they had questions their pastor couldn't answer?

None.
Most people I've known haven't just taken some Pastors' words as being 'gospel truths'.

In other words, they were Christians at one time, then started considering themselves "wise men," and ended up atheists.

So you're saying .. but: 'No .. not in my experience'
Generally, such folk just continue pursuing knowledge .. and then seem interested in testing it out.
Whether they see themselves as Christians or Atheists is irrelevant. That has zip to do with the process of developing wisdom.

Just as Paul said.

Its not just about what people have said. More like its about what works.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Q: You were born wise, weren't you?
A: Yes.

My point is that, according to evolution, we are "Homo sapiens," which means "wise men."

Thus we are wise by virtue of the fact that we are human beings.

So for a self-wise to call a person self-righteous is ... shall we say ... ironic.

Wow, that deserves a Buckley:

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said" - William F. Buckley Jr.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wow, that deserves a Buckley:

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said" - William F. Buckley Jr.

I put what I believe right up front for all to see.

How about you?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I put what I believe right up front for all to see.

How about you?

In case you missed it, I was talking about your idea that naming our species 'homo sapiens' makes us wise; i.e. species-level nominative determinism.

You may put what you believe right up front, but do you believe all that you put right up front?

 

[AV1611VET]

In case you missed it, I was talking about your idea that naming our species 'homo sapiens' makes us wise;

Believe me ... I don't think that.

Let me post that Scripture reference again ... with emphasis.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

You may put what you believe right up front, but do you believe all that you put right up front?

For the most part, yes.

I do tend to speculate at times.

That means we won't know until we get to Heaven and God chooses to reveal it.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Believe me ... I don't think that.

So you made an explicit claim that you don't think is true...

 

[AV1611VET]

So you made an explicit claim that you don't think is true...

Maybe you had better read what I wrote again:

My point is that, according to evolution, we are "Homo sapiens," which means "wise men."

Evolution can take a hike.

 

[Mountainmike]

Some level of mitochondrial heteroplasmy is found in most, if not all cells. High levels are associated with a number of different diseases, including cardiac. But so what?

In one word consistency.

Because ( various) papers show that it increases on trauma, and increases specifically observed on myocardial infarction, it is also different according to which organ is traumatised.

Consistency.
All of the samples tested so far show NO nuclear dna profile despite plenty of DNA and signs of recent life, also mitochondrial heteroplasmy consistent with trauma, which is consistent with traumatized heart tissue striation and oval leucocyte presentation.

But each sample shows some different heteroplasmy, so not the same sample used in each case.
So disproving the hypothesis of one fraud repeated. Not that it was ever possible since there are no common members of the teams.
Same haplogroup, Middle East.

Incidentally the sudarium Dating to ancient times shows the same, no nuclear DNA, has mitochondrial. So fake is simply not a viable hypothesis.
Nobody has a clue how it is possible to fake them.

(if any of you ever researched such things you would hear on video Q&A such as chain of custody issues discussed) there are a lot of videos out there.

 

[partinobodycular]

if any of you ever researched such things you would hear on video Q&A such as chain of custody issues discussed.

So link to the video then. Otherwise I'm beginning to think that we're all getting hustled, because when asked for this supposed evidence all that you ever do is at best give us a link to the website where we can buy the books and videos.

Is that it? Are we getting hustled? If not, give us the evidence already.

 

[Mountainmike]

So link to the video then. Otherwise I'm beginning to think that we're all getting hustled, because when asked for this supposed evidence all that you ever do is at best give us a link to the website where we can buy the books and videos.

Is that it? Are we getting hustled? If not, give us the evidence already.

The problem with people discounting videos , is I refuse to give links to more. What is the point? Some of tesorieros ( paid ) blood of Christ videos are now on YouTube too. You will find them if you care.

The book on tixtla has the forensic reports in the back. I gave a free trial link. I think to you? I Might be mistaken. I recollect you didn’t comment on them, asking for “ the evidence” , then preferring to character assassinate one of those involved,

You are either interested enough to study it or not.

I just got interested in out of body experiences.
The books cost me £50. 4 total

Pretty much what it cost to study Double slit quantum experiments and philosophical theories on the meaning of the outcome.
Another £50 4 total

But then I’m interested in Lourdes cures.
Another £50 , 5 books.

The shroud.
Now that was expensive, at least 15 books.
I’m guessing £300 some are expensive.

Eucharistic miracles probably 10 without counting them.
Expensive.

Mary’s house in Ephesus
6 books. Etc.

I will not, and cannot reproduce all of that here.
I tell you the pathologists conclusions . The rest you can go and find.

I read 2-3 books a week.

As you see from what I’ve said. I looked up heteroplasmy.
Four big papers

Proverb :”give a wise man instruction, he becomes yet wiser.”

And As they say in Yorkshire “ owts for nowt”

There is 20 years of science here. It’s not one off.
You will find it or you won’t. Take your pick.

I promise you a fascinating journey.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I just got interested in out of body experiences.
The books cost me £50. 4 total

Pretty much what it cost to study Double slit quantum experiments and philosophical theories on the meaning of the outcome.
Another £50 4 total

But then I’m interested in Lourdes cures.
Another £50 , 5 books.

The shroud.
Now that was expensive, at least 15 books.
I’m guessing £300 some are expensive.
Eucharistic miracles probably 10 without counting them.

Looks like they have you where they want you -- with cash in hand.