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Already addressed this. If I quoted the ECF for a college or graduate class the professor would certainly not ask me to prove the ECF were right.It's not irrelevant. I reject your claim that they are right until proven wrong.
I have already responded to Abraham's bosom. I quoted the Abraham's Bosom article from the Jewish Encyclopedia in my link; [post #273] this thread.I have. Dead people can't talk. Why haven't you answered the questions regarding this? Why is it Abraham's bosom and not Moses or David? Why is the beggar named Lazarus and not John or Peter? Why does he wear purple and fine linen? Why does he have 5 brothers? Why is the rich man in Hades rather than Gehenna? Jesus gives all of these details for a reason. In your interpretation, these details have no importance. However, they are crucial to understanding the parable.
Good you tell me what you think that Lazarus, purple and fine linen, 5 brothers, why is the rich man in Hades rather than Gehenna, all mean and I'll google it and find a bunch of different opinions what it "really" means. Here is why the rich man was in Hades.
Deuteronomy 15:7 If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother:
Lazarus was not even given the crumbs from the rich man's table.Tell me again why you think "glory" proves this is an ecstatic vision and not factual?It's not wrong read another account.
29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.
33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.
34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
36 And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen. (Lk. 9:29-36 KJV)
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Wrong again!We also know it was a vision because Peter calls it the coming of the Lord which obviously didn't have before He was crucified.
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: (2 Pet. 1:16-19 KJV)
2 Peter 1:16
(16) For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming [παρουσία/parousia] of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2 Corinthians 7:6
(6) Nevertheless God, that comforteth those that are cast down, comforted us by the coming [παρουσία/parousia] of Titus;
And a few more vss.(16) For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming [παρουσία/parousia] of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2 Corinthians 7:6
(6) Nevertheless God, that comforteth those that are cast down, comforted us by the coming [παρουσία/parousia] of Titus;
2 Corinthians 10:10
(10) For his [Paul's v.9] letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence [παρουσία/parousia] is weak, and his speech contemptible.
Philippians 2:12
(12) Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence [παρουσία/parousia] only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
1 Corinthians 16:17
(17) I am glad of the coming [παρουσία/parousia] of Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus: for that which was lacking on your part they have supplied.
Robertson Word Pictures.
The power and coming (tēn dunamin kai parousian). These words can refer (Chase) to the Incarnation, just as is true of epiphaneia in 2Ti_1:10 (second coming in 1Ti_6:14), and is true of parousia (2Co_7:6 of Titus).
(10) For his [Paul's v.9] letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence [παρουσία/parousia] is weak, and his speech contemptible.
Philippians 2:12
(12) Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence [παρουσία/parousia] only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
1 Corinthians 16:17
(17) I am glad of the coming [παρουσία/parousia] of Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus: for that which was lacking on your part they have supplied.
Robertson Word Pictures.
The power and coming (tēn dunamin kai parousian). These words can refer (Chase) to the Incarnation, just as is true of epiphaneia in 2Ti_1:10 (second coming in 1Ti_6:14), and is true of parousia (2Co_7:6 of Titus).
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