Correct. My comment was directed at thosewho believe salvation can be lost.Jesus is talking about receiving eternal life. Eternal means changeless. Life that doesn't change into death. If your life is changing into death, you haven't received eternal life yet.
Do you not understand what Jesus was doing here?
Jesus was using the law for it's intended purpose, to show this man that he was a sinner.
Because jesus listed some of those commandments. And the man replied that he had kept them all. Which was a lie.
So Jesus gave him the last commandment paraphrased. And the young man went away sorrowful because he had great possessions and was unwilling to let them go.
Remember, no one is justified by keeping the law. Because we are born with a sin nature. In order to be justified by the law, you would have to keep the whole law. Because if you break it in one point, you are guilty of all.
There is none righteous, no not one.
There is none righteous, no not one.
For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Are you going to tell me these Scriptures are not true?
This young man did not know anything about Jesus and Jesus knew it.
That is why Jesus said, "Why do you call me good".
Or do you not think Jesus was good?
This young was in self deception, he did not keep all of the commandments. He may have thought he did, but he did not.
For him to say he did keep the commandments was a lie.
This statement doesn't match up with the Scripture, for he liked his possessions better than eternal life.
First off, the question he asked Jesus, what good thing? This young man was self-righteous. He thought he kept all of the commandments.16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? (the question he asked)
I would say, "Repent and believe the Gospel"So Doug, if I asked you what I must to have eternal life, would your answer be what Jesus said? Or would do reject what Jesus said and tell me something else? Do you have a better way than what Jesus said?
Deuteronomy 15:11 For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.Why must you insert, 'which was a lie?' That is not what it says. Selling what he had and give to the poor is not a commandment, nor is it a paraphrase. Perhaps you can find this so-called commandment of your imagination in the Old Testament and show us. It is your insertion into the text.
Just like Noah, Daniel and Job.Well well, look who we have in Luke 1, Zacharias and Elisabeth. They both were righteous before God, AND they both walked in ALL the commandments and ordinances of the Lord BLAMELESS. Do you see they were RIGHTEOUS before God? Is this what you believe, or do you believe there are none righteous? Do you believe they walked in all the commandments, or do you believe they were guilty?
It is not a question of what I say or don't say. What does the Scripture say?Maybe you are projecting your own inability to keep the commandments on others. If you can't, then do not say others can't. One day, you may get to that point of being able to keep His commandments, but until then, don't say others can't because you can't.
First off, the question he asked Jesus, what good thing? This young man was self-righteous. He thought he kept all of the commandments.
He was excusing his sin.
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
The law points out sin.
I would say, "Repent and believe the Gospel"
Deuteronomy 15:11 For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.
Just like Noah, Daniel and Job.
They were all given mercy and God did not hold there sins against them.
Psalms 130:3 If you LORD should mark iniquity who could stand?
Do you think you could answer questions?
How was David saved?
Why did Jesus have to die?
It is not a question of what I say or don't say. What does the Scripture say?
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Don't trust anything anyone says about Scripture. You must verify it for yourself.If you can't get this right, how am I able to trust you in other passages?
Because if you don't believe the Gospel you will not have eternal life.Jesus preached the Gospel, and yet you do not believe it. Why should I believe it to have eternal life?
God said they were righteous, so He must have had mercy on them.So, even you think there were righteous ones in the OT. I thought you believed there are none righteous, not even one.
So we can commit murder and adultery and as long we are sorrowful and repent we can have eternal life?I've already told you David was sorrowful and repented of his sins, but you did not believe me.
iow you don't know.Why Jesus died is for another thread.
I let God worry about keeping the commandments through me. Galatians 2:20, Romans 8:4Then let me ask, which of the Lord's commandments do you have a problem with? Which one(s) are you unable to keep? Do you hide from others the way you behave in not keeping His commandments?
See Romans 8:4Have you gone to the Lord and asked Him to help you keep His commandments? If so, what did He say to you? Are you not able to do ALL things through Christ which strengthens you?
Don't trust anything anyone says about Scripture. You must verify it for yourself.
Because if you don't believe the Gospel you will not have eternal life.
I Corinthians 15:1-4 defines the Gospel.
God said they were righteous, so He must have had mercy on them.
Noah needed grace.
Job confessed he unrighteous before God.
Daniel admitted he was a sinner..
So we can commit murder and adultery and as long we are sorrowful and repent we can have eternal life?
iow you don't know.
I let God worry about keeping the commandments through me. Galatians 2:20, Romans 8:4
The 10 commandments are a ministry of death and condemnation. I do not focus on them.
See Romans 8:4
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16Show me the Gospel Jesus preached.
Who said I didn't believe that? I am the one who showed Noah, Daniel and Job were declared righteous by God.Anyway, don't you believe there was/is no one righteous? I showed you Zacharias and Elisabeth were righteous before God. Why don't you believe that?
If God says someone is righteous, that is mercy.Having mercy on someone does not make them righteous.
After God anointed David, then he committed murder and adultery.If not, Paul isn't in Heaven. Remember, if you don't repent, you will perish.
What makes you think God doesn't keep the commandments through me?You let God worry about keeping the commandments through you? Really? If you believe no one can keep the commandments, it sounds like God isn't doing a very good job through you.
My part is to follow.It takes your part in order to keep the commandments. I'm surprised you don't know that.
The Holy Spirit will not lead me to do such things.Jesus said keeping the commandments brought eternal life, not death. And you should focus on the commandments. If you don't, you will give in to lust, theft, lying, murder, and hate.
FreeGrace2 said in post #1810:
There are no verses about giving back, returning, losing, or anything else that results in no longer having eternal life.
FreeGrace2 said in post #1810:
Jesus said recipients of eternal life shall never perish.
FreeGrace2 said in post #1811:
I believe Titus 1:16 applies to everyone who refuses to believe what Jesus said.
FreeGrace2 said in post #1812:
It seems your claim here is that even if one does believe in Jesus Christ, they MAY NOT perish.
FreeGrace2 said in post #1812:
Are you really claiming that what Jesus said about recipients of eternal life in John 10:28 is "an unqualified verse"??? Really??
FreeGrace2 said in post #1812:
Only those given eternal life during their lifetime are assured a resurrection to eternal life.
FreeGrace2 said in post #1812:
I will remind you once again that there is NO SUCH THING as an "initial" vs an "ultimate" salvation.
FreeGrace2 said in post #1812:
I don't know how Luke 13:3 relates to 1 Pet 1:23, but the FACT is that those born again of IMPERISHABLE SEED makes them IMPERISHABLE.
Doug Melven said in post #1818:
Remember, no one is justified by keeping the law.
Doug Melven said in post #1818:
I said if you sin, and then you repent, that means you can sin as long as you repent.
Doug Melven said in post #1818:
Our free will cannot affect our born-again state.
Doug Melven said in post #1818:
Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles . . .
The Bible says that everyone is a sinner. Were you excluded from what the Bible says?Maybe you are projecting your own inability to keep the commandments on others. If you can't, then do not say others can't. One day, you may get to that point of being able to keep His commandments, but until then, don't say others can't because you can't.
You've got to be kidding! Here's the passage:There are (e.g. 2 Peter 2:20-22).
Yet in ONE breath, Jesus said recipients of eternal life shall never perish in John 10:28.For even born-again people can ultimately perish if they don't repent from a sin (Hebrews 10:26-29).
The Bible says that everyone is a sinner. Were you excluded from what the Bible says?
Do you realize that if even 1 commandment is broken, the whole thing falls?
So, either you've kept every commandment consistently, or you are a fraud to insinuate that you have.
Everyone reading this knows the truth.
You've got to be kidding! Here's the passage:
2 Peter 2:20-22
20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to
John 6:69
Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.
22 Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."
How does one make visible the gift of eternal life (Rom 6:23) that Jesus gives (John 10:28) on the basis of believing in Him (John 3:16, 5:24, 6:47) for it?If one makes the claim that they have a gift from Christ that doesn't require faith, that claim should be rejected. That gift requires visibility to be believed.
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