Eschatological and Millennial Theories and their problems.

[Dave L]

I ave repeatedly posted, right here in Christian Forums, in posts seen and responded to by this poster, hard proof that this is simply not correct, regardless of who said it.

We have their admission of lack of proof in writing.

 

[Biblewriter]

70 weeks are not seventy weeks if you add thousands of more weeks to them.

It did not say seventy continuous weeks are determined. It only said seventy weeks were determined.

 

[Dave L]

It did not say seventy continuous weeks are determined. It only said seventy weeks were determined.

Try telling the bank your $70 deposit is actually $7,000,000.

 

[Biblewriter]

We have their admission of lack of proof in writing.

The "admission" you speak of was about an entirely different point. And what you have failed to admit, but is still true, whether you will admit it or not, is that you also have no direct scriptural proof of your claims about the timing of the rapture. In order to conclude that your claims are correct, it is necessary to assume that you have corect conclusions about the meanings of terms used in these scriptures

 

[seventysevens]

Again, there is no direct bible support for a pre-trib rapture.

You have NO understanding WHY there is a rapture at all - Period

 

[Dave L]

The "admission" you speak of was about an entirely different point. And what you have failed to admit, but is still true, whether you will admit it or not, is that you also have no direct scriptural proof of your claims about the timing of the rapture. In order to conclude that your claims are correct, it is necessary to assume that you have corect conclusions about the meanings of terms used in these scriptures

It happens AFTER the resurrection of the Just on earth's last day.

“Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.”” (John 11:24)


“For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17)

 

[Biblewriter]

Your entire end time theory rests on a Pre-trib Rapture you cannot support from scripture. If LaHaye and Walvoord cannot do it, and admit this, as I've already provided quotes from their own writings, certainly you cannot produce the needed support to make it Biblical.

Actually, no. That is only a detail of prophecy. The main subject is about a fourth of the entire Old Testament.

 

[seventysevens]

Try telling the bank your $70 deposit is actually $7,000,000.

Not talking about money - if you have 3 weeks of vacation time and you choose to use only 2 weeks now and 1 week later - still 3 weeks , so much you just don't understand

 

[Dave L]

Actually, no. That is only a detail of prophecy. The main subject is about a fourth of the entire Old Testament.

A detail not supported by scripture = everything based on it is false too.

 

[Dave L]

Not talking about money - if you have 3 weeks of vacation time and you choose to use only 2 weeks now and 1 week later - still 3 weeks , so much you just don't understand

No, a week is a week. 70 weeks = 70 weeks, not 300 weeks.

 

[Biblewriter]

No, it shows how your theory falls apart. Like I said, only saints in glorified bodies occupy the Revelation 20 presentation of the 1000 years. Flesh and blood cannot exist there. So Jesus must rule glorified saints with a rod of iron. And Satan later rally them against other saints in glorified bodies when he is loosed. This of course is ridiculous but it is where Dispensationalism and Premillennialism leads.

Here, you are again stating something that is never even hinted at in scripture.

 

[Biblewriter]

Both the righteous and wicked dead come to life on the last day. I'm pointing out how ridiculous Dispensationalism and Premillennialism is if put to the test against Revelation 20.

No scripture says this.

 

[Dave L]

Here, you are again stating something that is never even hinted at in scripture.

This is far more than a hint.

“For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17)

 

[seventysevens]

No, a week is a week. 70 weeks = 70 weeks, not 300 weeks.

Scripture simply says 70 weeks are decreed , it does not say that it has to be all at once , it is broken into segments , and says what the segments are for , you are forcing scripture to what you prefer it to mean and not actually what it depicts

 

[Dave L]

No scripture says this.

“Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment.” (John 5:28–29)

 

[Biblewriter]

Walvoord and LaHay admit in writing that no direct statement of scripture teaches a Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, or Post-Trib rapture. I posted direct quotes earlier but can reproduce them if needed.

Saying that no scripture directly states this, is very different from saying that it cannot be supported by scripture.

 

[Dave L]

Saying that no scripture directly states this, is very different from saying that it cannot be supported by scripture.

Not so, you can make scripture lie if you do not have direct quotes.

 

[Biblewriter]

Thank you for this information. But this does not show that tubal or meschek were cities in 11th century.

Tubal and Meshech were never cities, they were nations. and by far the main mass of both of these nations fled into what is now Russia.

 

[Dave L]

Scripture simply says 70 weeks are decreed , it does not say that it has to be all at once , it is broken into segments , and says what the segments are for , you are forcing scripture to what you prefer it to mean and not actually what it depicts

Try telling the bank there are quite a few more invisible zeros between the 7 and the last 0 in your deposit.

 

[seventysevens]

Try telling the bank there are quite a few more invisible zeros between the 7 and the last 0 in your deposit.

Scripture simply says 70 weeks are decreed , it does not say that it has to be all at once , it is broken into segments , and says what the segments are for , you are forcing scripture to what you prefer it to mean and not actually what it depicts

You show you have no understanding about this topic as well , you are merely following a false doctrine and since you just parroting and not studying , you not even know it