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**Because these Jews living in Israel mentioned in Zechariah 14 will have waited only unto the Coming of Jesus in Glory to believe .Ribera, **the Jews who are rescued in Jerusalem in Zechariah 14 escape through a valley created when the Mt. of Olives splits in half? In the text, it says because the Lord foot touches down on the Mt. of Olives.
So why are those Jews who will be Christians at the time, not caught up in the air over Jerusalem - like everyone else in the post trib rapture?
These are the SOULS of The Deceased SAINTS which are in Heaven that Jesus will bring with Him to be resurrected here on the Earth.Nobody will be rapture to Heaven years before.5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
The saints coming with Jesus on that day will be the bride of Christ, that accompanies Jesus in His Return to earth. The rapture will have ocured already years before. That's why the Jews in Zechariah 14:5 escape through a valley, not raptured.
Not true. They are Christians. And Jesus is not even coming back until they acknowledge him.**Because these Jews living in Israel mentioned in Zechariah 14 will have waited only unto the Coming of Jesus in Glory to believe .
Some will. But some won't make it out in time and are in Revelation 12:17. And are the ones held hostage in Zechariah 14 that are rescued.The Jews believers in Israel (Christians) -some years before the Coming of Jesus- will flee into the mountains of Jordan (Petra) as soon as they will see the abomination by the man of sin taking place...They will be under direct God's protection and nourished for 42 months, nowhere it is said that they will be transformed into immortality....Revelation 12
The gathering by the angels in Matthew 24:31 imply a caught up in the air (rapture) to gather the elect to where Jesus will be /ie in the air over Jerusalem/.Paul and Matthew's gathering is the same that will happen unto the Coming of Jesus in Glory.The last trump/the trump of God* is the voice of Jesus sending his angels to gather His elects ie the resurrected saints and the saints sill alive and remain unto the coming of Jesus.
*That is not the 7th trumpet of Revelation sounded by the 7th angel.
Matthew 24
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
If the "rapture" occurs at the end of the tribulation there will be no mortal believers left to enter and populate the Lord's millennial kingdom upon the earth .... but there will be [Ezekiel 36:10-38; Zechariah 14:16-21; Revelation 20:3]
Immortals cannot be deceived by Satan .... only mortals
You have failed to read your Bible and you spend too much time with the fraudulent book of Enoch
Do you really think that a human made immortal as a follower of Jesus Christ can be deceived by Satan? [Revelation 20:3]
Do you really think that immortal humans will turn and rebel against the Lord at the end of His millennial kingdom? [Revelation 20:8-9]
Here are a few other scriptures for you to read Ezekiel 36:10-12; Zechariah 14:16-19; Matthew 22:30]
Learning to connect scriptures on a subject and a little common sense might be what you need
Your intent to wiggle out of the Lord's promise is telling [Revelation 3:10]
The souls of the believers(Saints) goes to Heaven when their Earthly body die.We've been over this literally a hundred times already. Matthew 24:29-31 is not the rapture. You can not rapture the elects who are already in heaven. In a rapture, people go up, they don't come down!
Matthew 24:29-31 New King James Version (NKJV)
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
And this (Matthew 7:15-23) is the second time I'm gonna go over this with you. Read it.
Matthew 7:15-23 New King James Version (NKJV)
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Those Christians that Christ denied in Matthew 7 were deliberately promoting false teachings. And He goes on to say you will know who the false teachers are by what they're preaching. Is it not obvious to you that people cannot be rapture who are already in heaven?
Do you know what He meant when he said "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire?" I highly suggest you take His word on this as you're sealing your own fate. This is just one of the many incidences I see you preach on this forum regularly.
.... but I only need one truth for refuting the same
The 7 trumpets of Revelation are sounded by 7 angels.The last trumpet call for the "church" is very different than the last judgment trumpet [the 7th]
Scripture on the 7th judgment trumpet has no "rapture" component
The first trumpet sounding for the "church" is here [Revelation 1:10] .... the Lord's first formal message to the same .... His voice sounds like a musical trumpet .... so will it be at His pre-tribulation call
Revelation 11:13 tell us the moment when the true Jews in Israel will turn to God...the others Jews will turn to God only unto the Coming of Jesus in Glory Zechariah 14.Not true. They are Christians. And Jesus is not even coming back until they acknowledge him.Riberra said:**Because these Jews living in Israel mentioned in Zechariah 14 will have waited only unto the Coming of Jesus in Glory to believe .
The "Day of the Lord" is judgment, it is a multi year event. The old Hebrew Language ha 4000 words compared to 500,000 in the English lexicon. "YOM" has about 50 different meanings. The last day is the "Day of he Lord" or the whole period.How do you wiggle out of the one truth that the resurrection is at the last day per Daniel, Job, Jesus and Paul?
They were martyred to death/they came out of great tribulation:
thus the sentence in verse 14 These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
The last trumpet call for the "church" is very different than the last judgment trumpet [the 7th]
Those killed by the Beast during the tribulation begin to arrive in Heaven in Revelation 15.Also if you look again at the Souls under the Alter or Seal #5, they wanted revenge on those people who "lived on earth" or the wicked men of the Anti-Christ. These are Tribulation Martyrs.
The LAST trump (the voice of Jesus sending His angels to gather His resurrected Saints and those alive and remain )will not precede the 7 trumpets that will be sounded by the 7 angels.Totally different. The "Last Trump" that Paul is speaking of takes the Church to Heaven or ends the Feast of Pentecost and brings in the Feast of Trumps, which only Announces things. The coming of the Feast of Atonement (We all know Israel has to accept Atonement) and the Feast of Tabernacle, which means abiding with God. So Jesus fulfilled the First three Feasts, then came the Feast of Pentecost (Church age) When the Trump blow it signifies that Pentecost is over (Church age is over we are called to Heaven to Marry Jesus) and the Trumps announce the coming Feasts of Atonement and Tabernacle.
When the 7 TH trumpet will be sounded there will still be 42 months left before the Coming of Jesus and the Resurrection of the Saints.In the days when the 7th trumpet jugment begins to sound, the mystery of God will be fulfilled ..... this time frame includes an additional 7 thunders [7 judgments specifically targeted at the beast and his followers at the battle of Armageddon]
Revelation is a series of Visions. They overlap, however I read Chapter 15 and see no mention of what you say. I will show you via scriptures where I believe those beheaded during the tribulation were raised up.Those killed by the Beast during the tribulation begin to arrive in Heaven in Revelation 15.
The LAST trump (the voice of Jesus sending His angels to gather His resurrected Saints and those alive and remain )will not precede the 7 trumpets that will be sounded by the 7 angels.
There is no Trump or Trumpet sounding in the whole Revelation 6 and Revelation 7 Chapters.
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