Equality between men and women

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allah says: 228. And divorced women shall wait (as regards their marriage) for three menstrual periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses, etc.) Similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect, etc.) To what is reasonable, but men have a degree ( of responsibility) over them. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.} [Baqarah: 228].
Equality between men and women to take the rights and duties, value-Semitism, and very noble, sought by everyone, male or female, they become double-edged sword, used by the enemies of women at home and abroad, and made it a tool to serve their non-noble, cries claim :

1 - the liberation of women from all religious and social restrictions, and the launch of their freedom to do what you want, whenever you want, and however you want! And this has created a women, and their role in this community!

2 - the education of women on an equal footing with men, in any area you want, or eager to itself, without regard to benefit her as a woman, have a private life, and have a great task must be to prepare them.

3 - The women work such as working men, under any circumstances and in any field, without considering
- Also - to commensurate with the nature and composition of female physical and psychological.

4 - women's equality with men in the financial rights, demanding that the equal share of the inheritance share of men, with the explicit violation of the laws of God, and without regard to the consequences of man's financial expense and other, which commensurate with the increased share in the inheritance.

The basic principle is to look at the inheritance with what is spent, because it - the Almighty - is the legislator to him, the world's wisdom - Glory - as he spent as much, without injustice to one, did not consider those who say the settlement in the legacy of the brothers of the mother, Inheritance of male mentioned, such as inheritance of the female, and possibly the share of Women sometimes share of men.

These are examples of their claims, seemingly compassionate and interior torment; because they did not understand the meaning of equality, which they seek, and drawn by views on women from the scourge is indispensable, also did not understand what gave Islam Women's rights and privileges, ignored the status of women by Islam in different doctrines and civilizations, and what the mechanism developed in the shadow of Islam.

Status of women in Greece:
If we look at the country's ancient Greece, we find that in spite of the culture and science, the status of women was nothing more than being a maid, and at best: the Director of the House, but the Greeks - the owners of the Taj philosophy - they live in their wives in the rooms below the windows, with denial of leave to the market or other ..
Although the theory of Plato's philosophical about the duties of military and political women, the women stayed isolated from public life; by custom and Greek law.
It was a principle that prevails in the Greek perception (that is women should not take off) and the voices rose after the collapse of Greek civilization, demanding freedom from the body and the impurity of women, which was the cause of corruption, and the Greek woman showered with a barrage of curses and accusations heinous.

Status of Women in India:
In India, a woman was sentenced to burn alive her husband's coffin with the deceased.

Status of Women in Judaism:
As in Judaism; The Jews acknowledge that women at risk, and evil than the evil snakes, and they saw the woman a look of humiliation and contempt, and were preparing girls in the status of servers, and there were some traditions that deny marriage girls; to remain in the service of her family, with the right of her guardian, to sell sale slaves.

The status of women in some Christian denominations:
And women in some Christian denominations; is the body of free spirit, not an exception to the woman, but the Virgin Mary.

Status of women in pre-Islamic Arabic:
In pre-Islamic Arab women were part of the wealth, was considered a legacy to the son inherited.
The perception of ignorance for girls based on pessimism, and therefore appeared in the habit of vice, female infanticide, or killing them as they are alive.

Status of Women in Islam:
Faced with this came the dark history of Islam and the status of women in their natural setting, and restored to their rights and status that were taken from them, under the darkness of ignorance and corruption of customs and traditions.
Islam stressed the unity of origin and upbringing between male and female, God said: {1. O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever an All-Watcher over you.} [Women: 1].

The rejection of Islam, the position of the idolaters and sag their feelings, lack of understanding of the role of women in life, and being authentic in the system of life, the authenticity of the male, but is stable for him, is far more authenticity to the survival of the family, therefore, viewed Islam as a gift from God, and made the Qur'an mentioned the male, he said, says: 49. To Allah belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. He creates what He wills. He bestows female (offspring) upon whom He wills, and bestows male (offspring) upon whom He wills.
50. Or He bestows both males and females, and He renders barren whom He wills. Verily, He is the All-Knower and is Able to do all things.
} [Shura: 49-50].

Islam has placed women at the table of respect and honor and affection, so as to create community psychologically to receive all the result of an open mind and the same reassuring satisfied and confident in God's help, he says: 31. And kill not your children for fear of poverty. We provide for them and for you. Surely, the killing of them is a great sin.} [Al-Isra: 31].

As Islam honors women are at the stage of youth, Gave her civil expressing their will in particularly the affairs of life, a composition of her home and choose her husband, said: ((should not be married Aloam even Tstamr, do not marry a virgin until permission), they said: O Messenger of God, and how her permission ? said: (to silence) [Muslim]. And Scott, or silence means approval of the virgin daughter to marry...

Islam and make the entity unique to women, giving them many rights such as freedom to own property on an equal footing with men, the Almighty said: {7. There is a share for men and a share for women from what is left by parents and those nearest related, whether, the property be small or large - a legal share.}
[Women: 7].
Islam and respect the property and was reinforced by giving women the freedom to dispose of them, he says: {4. And give to the women (whom you marry) their Mahr (obligatory bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) with a good heart, but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, take it, and enjoy it without fear of any harm (as Allah has made it lawful)} [women: 4].

And equating the Koran with the men before the law in rights and duties; right to enter into contracts and incur obligations, the right to defend their rights before the courts. He says: {And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses, etc.) Similar (to those of their husbands) over them} [Baqarah: 228].
Fabrications and the responses:

With regard to what is said that some of the provisions of Islam in which prejudice Women inheritance; where its share of half the share of men and the alshhadh; Testimony of a woman equivalent to half of a man, and such as divorce, polygamy, these things are, in essence, a tribute to women, and the maintenance of its position, the difference in these matters came to preserve on women's dignity, and respect for the nature of the composition:

- As for the inheritance and the fact that half the heritage of men in some cases, the subject of Islam this is equivalent to men, has committed Shara decent man to spend on women, in every stage of her life, Daughter the responsibility of her father or her brother or his takes their place, and wife own expense to her husband, nor the expense of it, has decided to Allah - the Almighty - that by saying: {(34) Men are in charge of women by [right of] what All h has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. } [Women: 34]. In some cases, may exceed the legacy of women's inheritance of the man, according to kinship, is not it always be the legacy of a man half her inheritance.

- As for the certificate; has taken into account the street Quran in the psychological characteristics of women, women are emotional by virtue of composition of psychotherapy, has overcome her passion; and therefore the Almighty said: {And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her. [Baqarah: 282].
Women were also the nature of movement of social not see what they see men, not involved with earned experience and position to not trick some manifestations false, has been signed in the banned terms do not feel, however, gave sharee'ah women the right to the certificate with jurisdiction is the exercise, certificate(alshhadh) to see the baby at birth, and so on; because the certificate vary according to subject matter, may accept a woman's testimony alone, also presented testimony of a woman with respect to things such as childbirth, other women.

- As for the divorce; sentiment of women preponderant, and anger soon, so God gave men the authority of divorce direct what sets it apart from lingered and the arbitration of reason by passion, to feel, from the consequences of things, at the same time not Islam forbid women from seeking divorce, if signed by the damage money, tolerate, or narrowed livelihood between them and her husband, and it became impossible to sustain life, and in both cases takes both husband and wife right.

- As for polygamy; is a cure for many social problems, such as sterile which does not give birth and wants her husband in the boy does not want to leave her, as well as increasing the number of women than men in some circumstances such as war.
Women are also the container incubator and birth control, does not make sense to ask the right to polygamy, mixing lineages and lost symptoms, compared to the requirement that justice in Islam, pluralism and fair division between co-wives.

The sisters of men:
He came in the Hadith that the Prophet (he said: (Women are the twin halves of men) [Abu Dawood and Tirmidhi], the man and woman are equal before God, Lord of the pious woman Akram God than man: {. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted} [rooms: 13], Paradise is not restricted to men without women.
He was beaten in the Holy Quran ideal goodness of women, he says: 11. And Allah has set forth an example for those who believe, the wife of Fir'aun (Pharaoh), when she said: "My Lord! Build for me a home with You in Paradise, and save me from Fir'aun (Pharaoh) and his work, and save me from the people who are Zalimun (polytheists, wrong-doers and disbelievers in Allah).

(12) And [the example of] Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into [her garment] through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient
} [Prohibition: 11-12].
 

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I think for it's time the ordinances of Islam offered some improvement in the condition of women...such as rules for inheritance..marriage and divorce and so on..

There's no doubt in my mind though that in the past century or so we have seen the advancement of women to a large degree..and more women are serving where before only men were involved.

For Baha'is the teaching of equality of men and women is a central principle..When Abdul-Baha spoke of the equality of men and women many countries did not permit women to vote..and many could not enter universities to study or become doctors...

And among the teachings of His Holiness Bahá'u'lláh is the equality of women and men. The world of humanity has two wings -- one is women and the other men. Not until both wings are equally developed can the bird fly. Should one wing remain weak, flight is impossible. Not until the world of women becomes equal to the world of men in the acquisition of virtues and perfections, can success and prosperity be attained as they ought to be.

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith, p. 288

Yet another of the teachings of Bahá'u'lláh is the equality of men and women and their equal sharing in all rights.

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha, p. 249
 
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Reading through the semi-comprehensible English of the OP, I gather that this poster apparently conceives of gender as a predominantly natural category rather than a cultural one, believing in what are essentially cardboard cutouts in lieu of "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus".

The rampant sexism that dominates the OP does not point towards an egalitarian approach to the woman question, but instead treats females as a race apart.
 
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Reading through the semi-comprehensible English of the OP, I gather that this poster apparently conceives of gender as a predominantly natural category rather than a cultural one, believing in what are essentially cardboard cutouts in lieu of "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus".

The rampant sexism that dominates the OP does not point towards an egalitarian approach to the woman question, but instead treats females as a race apart.

Why do you have to go remind me of the year and a half of sociology I did (I soon changed majors)

We spent too much time on the difference between sex and gender
 
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Why do you have to go remind me of the year and a half of sociology I did (I soon changed majors)

We spent too much time on the difference between sex and gender

Au contraire: understanding just how much of a cultural construct gender roles actually are is quite important - especially when dealing with foreign cultures who'd portray their particular gender roles as universal natural principles.
 
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Personally, I suspect that the post-industrial age will have a profound effect on the way we live, and eventually dispose of (or at the very least transform) the leftovers of the agrarian age.

We've reached a stage in history where most forms of labour do no longer rely on physical strength, and a single machine can do more fieldwork in an hour than twenty men could achieve in a whole day.

What most people fail to realize that "traditional" gender roles do not only place women at a disadvantage - they also force men into a tightly defined norm that severely limits their identity. The agrarian age has made prisoners of us all, enforced by the internal logic and the natural constraints of an agricultural society.

And if you believe that women have already achieved equality and are no longer deemed somewhat inferior, think back and remember just how much of an insult it was for a boy to be called a girl.
"Femininity" is still defined in terms of superfluous sentiment, weakness, and passivity. In short: Disney princesses in pink and pastel colours.

This little girl expresses quite eloquently what's wrong with all that.
 
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What strikes me as *really* funny is that the very people who insist on biological determinism with regards to gender are also the ones who'll point out that we're not mere instinct-driven animals on virtually every other issue (except perhaps sexuality, where selling one's arbitrary norms as natural law is quite popular as well).
 
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What strikes me as *really* funny is that the very people who insist on biological determinism with regards to gender are also the ones who'll point out that we're not mere instinct-driven animals on virtually every other issue (except perhaps sexuality, where selling one's arbitrary norms as natural law is quite popular as well).

And yet the homosexual lobby say they're born that way
 
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Brilliant. We've got a boy who's favourite colour is pink who would back her up all the way. I'll show it him later.

You know, back in the early 20th century, pink was used for boys and blue was used for girls: people argued that pink was the "stronger" colour, and therefore more suitable to makes than the "delicate" blue.

Why this colour scheme was eventually inverted cannot be conclusively determined - but by the early 1950s, it was a done deal.

Some think that it was the song "Little Boy Blue" that prompted the association, others that blue was considered a more auspicious colour, and the advent of a boy was regarded as far more fortunate than the birth of a girl; and then, there's the hypothesis that the Nazis are responsible, as homosexual prisoners in concentration camps were marked with a pink sign:

nazi_camp_marks1.jpg
 
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And yet the homosexual lobby say they're born that way
"The homosexual lobby"?
I know quite a few very active members of the LGBT-community who are quite offended by the naturalistic fallacy, feeling that looking for a "homosexual gene" amounts to viewing them as freaks of nature and embracing a genetic determinism that cannot truly be maintained.

Medical science, being impartial, suggests that there are at least some biological factors involved in determining the sexual orientation of a child, and that we cannot really influence our placement upon the Kinsey scale:
Get Educated About Homosexuality - YouTube
 
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"The homosexual lobby"?
I know quite a few very active members of the LGBT-community who are quite offended by the naturalistic fallacy, feeling that looking for a "homosexual gene" amounts to viewing them as freaks of nature and embracing a genetic determinism that cannot truly be maintained.

Yes, I'm aware that other groups disagree - then if they believe it's a matter of 'choice', one can always un-choose to be gay.

They loose out either way.
 
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Personally, I'd be willing to entertain the possibility that the far ends of the Kinsey scale (read: exclusive attraction to same-sex partners vs. exclusive attraction to other-sex partners) are both minority positions, and that it could be a choice for people in the middle ground, where cultural factors do play a larger role.

For example, if you study the "Swinger"-community, you quickly find that women are a lot more likely to be open to the possibility of becoming intimate with other women, whereas it is a HUUUUUUGE taboo for men, mostly due to cultural norms of masculinity and perceiving same-sex activities as a threat to the same.


It'd be an interesting subject to study, and it's entirely possible that I'm mistaken as far as the "middle ground"-people are concerned, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was true.
That said, people who cannot help being attracted to same-sex partners in an environment that condemns and vilifies such feelings indeed do not have much of a choice in the matter - no more so than exclusive heterosexuals.
 
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Personally, I'd be willing to entertain the possibility that the far ends of the Kinsey

Kinsey used data from perverts even those involved in illegal sex

It was later revealed that Kinsey used data from a single paedophile and presented it as being from various sources
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Kinsey#Controversial_aspects_of_his_work

This one pervert claimed to have had intercourse with every member of his family, and also that his 'prey' were willing/consenting.
 
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Kinsey used data from perverts
An irrelevant tangent, really, both to the OP and to our slight detour into the realm of sexuality and orientation.

I could have just as well referenced any other of the over 200 scales that have been introduced since Kinsey's controversial pioneer work, yet it just so happens that his scale - incomplete as it is- is still the most widely known.
All of these are models, not realities - attempt at measuring and compartmentalizing phenomena that, for the most part, will be far more complex.
 
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An irrelevant tangent, really, both to the OP and to our slight detour into the realm of sexuality and orientation.
You're the one who mentioned him. And you still want to discuss him...
I could have just as well referenced any other of the over 200 scales that have been introduced since Kinsey's controversial pioneer work, yet it just so happens that his scale - incomplete as it is- is still the most widely known.
All of these are models, not realities - attempt at measuring and compartmentalizing phenomena that, for the most part, will be far more complex.

Kinsey started this off, and the basis for this - his research is flawed.

Building a house on sand doesn't get better if you add extra floors
 
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It's an interesting discussion and all, but I fear that if we do not get back to the OP soon, this thread will be "closed for review" before you can say "Christopher Street Day".

So, let's get back to the topic of gender equality, shall we?
 
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If I had the misfortune of living in Saudi Arabia, I would be forced to have a male guardian, whose permission I'd have to gain if I wanted to travel, get an education, get married or divorced, open a bank account, or have elective surgery (among others).
Because we all know that women are like children who need to be guided and protected by males - it's just for their own good!

In the same vein, I'd find that gender segregation was almost universal, meaning that I could not use the same entrance as a man when visiting a university or an office. Riding a bike or driving a car would be impossible, and if I did not cover my hair at all times, I'd be arrested.

Now, not all of this necessarily derives from Islam in general or even Wahhabism in particular, but may also be indebted to tribal customs.
Yet for the most part, this is what the OP would consider "equality between men and women". You know, it's all just to HONOR them!
 
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