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Lots of ways. The apparent suicide in a prison cell is a staple of murder mysteries. As to who, we may never know, but the Right will move Heaven and Earth to pin it on Hillary.

To be honest it isn't needed.
 
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Alot of people including Trump and Clinton are linked to him. Other politicians, Even a Royal Duke. How? Money.

I was asking if you had any ideas. There are many people that wanted him dead. Just wondering if you knew/thought something specific.
 
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I think he killed himself.

I know... I know... boring. It doesn’t implicate anyone I disagree with politically as being involved in his death but I think... what else did he really have to live for at this point? The guy had already lived a better life than most could even dream of and now faced with having to pay for his horrible crimes, what alternative was he really left with?

He killed himself. You’re all welcome to convince me otherwise.
 
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I think he killed himself.

I know... I know... boring. It doesn’t implicate anyone I disagree with politically as being involved in his death but I think... what else did he really have to live for at this point? The guy had already lived a better life than most could even dream of and now faced with having to pay for his horrible crimes, what alternative was he really left with?

He killed himself. You’re all welcome to convince me otherwise.

That may very well be true. You have to admit that it's suspicious that he was able to do it though, especially since he had tried it before and was put on suicide watch as a result. The news reports indicate that a guard was supposed to check on him every 30 minutes, but for some reason didn't do it when Epstein killed himself.
 
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That may very well be true. You have to admit that it's suspicious that he was able to do it though, especially since he had tried it before and was put on suicide watch as a result. The news reports indicate that a guard was supposed to check on him every 30 minutes, but for some reason didn't do it when Epstein killed himself.
I agree it is very suspicious but someone determined to kill themselves will stop at almost nothing but their own will to go through with it and their will to live only counts for so much when they’ve lost everything else. The way I see it, he no longer had anything left to live for and being the coward he is, saw this as the ultimate cop out of his crimes. A 30 minute window is plenty of time to do the deed.
 
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I agree it is very suspicious but someone determined to kill themselves will stop at almost nothing but their own will to go through with it and their will to live only counts for so much when they’ve lost everything else. The way I see it, he no longer had anything left to live for

I won't argue with that. I can't imagine owning numerous mansions and owning your own private island and traveling the world with millions of dollars and rubbing elbows with the word's elite, and then living with nothing while locked in a tiny cell with no way out. That's quite a change!

and being the coward he is, saw this as the ultimate cop out of his crimes. A 30 minute window is plenty of time to do the deed.

I don't understand why they even allowed him the means of doing it, seeing he had already tried before.
 
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I tell you a good test. lets see what is said about surveillance footage and his body.

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I don't think anyone wanted him dead, and his success at suicide is due normal variety grade incompetence and apathy. Epstein was a spider sitting in a web, and last time I looked spiders don't share flies. Whilst I understand in other pedophile siutations multiple people are involved, I think Epstein had enough money that he didn't have to share, apart from those involved in the procurement chain who don't count as "sharers" anyway. The only person even remotely implicated is Dershowitz, and even that looks seriously tenuous at best.
 
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I don't think anyone wanted him dead, and his success at suicide is due normal variety grade incompetence and apathy. Epstein was a spider sitting in a web, and last time I looked spiders don't share flies. Whilst I understand in other pedophile siutations multiple people are involved, I think Epstein had enough money that he didn't have to share, apart from those involved in the procurement chain who don't count as "sharers" anyway. The only person even remotely implicated is Dershowitz, and even that looks seriously tenuous at best.

No camera footage of his cell at all.

Autopsy results: "Pending further information"

He was taken off of suicide watch for no known reason.

He was supposed to have a roommate as part of suicide watch. That individual was transferred to another cell, leaving Epstein alone.
 
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I was asking if you had any ideas. There are many people that wanted him dead. Just wondering if you knew/thought something specific.
Someone paid the guard to do it, and make it look like a suicide .
 
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Someone paid the guard to do it, and make it look like a suicide .

More likely that a guard could have been paid to look the other way while Epstein's cell mate was removed, as was the suicide watch, but not the means to commit suicide. Then just let things play out.
 
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...or they were simply asleep on the job.

The two guards who were in the jail unit where Jeffrey Epstein apparently killed himself fell asleep and failed to check on him for about three hours, then falsified records to cover up their mistake, a law enforcement official and a prison official said on Tuesday.

Jeffrey Epstein Death: 2 Guards Slept Through Checks and Falsified Records

I don't think anyone wanted him dead, and his success at suicide is due normal variety grade incompetence and apathy.
 
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Nothing is ever as it seems; nobody is ever as they seem. He knew too much, and a very powerful person or several "suicide'd" him. My mind won't change on this one. There are some dark forces in this world.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.”
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