Epstein Dead

[Nithavela]

I bet the only one surprised by this was Epstein himself.

 

[LostMarbels]

MCC isn't "max security" - it's classified as "administrative" security, which means that it's effectively multi-security. "SHU" doesn't necessarily even indicate maximum security. "SHU" refers to isolation from the general population.

https://www.bop.gov/policy/progstat/5270.11.pdf
Security Levels in the Federal Bureau of Prisons
BOP: Federal Prisons

Yes, your probably correct. They put El Chopo in a min sec work camp that lets him work on the side of the road everyday.

I modestly pointed out it is a max sec facility in case you have difficulty finding it on the federal bureau of prisons website.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Yes, your probably correct. They put El Chopo in a min sec work camp that lets him work on the side of the road everyday.


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I modestly pointed out it is a max sec facility in case you have difficulty finding it on the federal bureau of prisons website.

Oh, I can find it on the BOP's website alright:

MCC New York
And right there at the top:
"An administrative security metropolitan correctional center."


Prisonerresource.com also lists:
Metropolitan Correctional Center New York | MCC New York
Security Level: Administrative (Multiple Security Levels)

 

[LostMarbels]

MCC isn't "max security" - it's classified as "administrative" security, which means that it's effectively multi-security. "SHU" doesn't necessarily even indicate maximum security. "SHU" refers to isolation from the general population.

https://www.bop.gov/policy/progstat/5270.11.pdf
Security Levels in the Federal Bureau of Prisons
BOP: Federal Prisons

Just to let you know administrative custody is when you 'check in' because your scared in General Population. Child molesters and snitches are automatically under admin cust, AKA protective custody. It's also the box, lock up, or hole for disciplinary actions and disco ricks. (DR's. Disciplinary Reports). Everyone else is in Gen Pop, kicking it in a day room until count or lights out.

If you are under admin cust either you life is in danger or you are a serious threat to yourself or others.

Administrative facilities are institutions with special missions, such as the detention of pretrial offenders; the treatment of inmates with serious or chronic medical problems; or the containment of extremely dangerous, violent, or escape-prone inmates. Administrative facilities include Metropolitan Correctional Centers (MCCs), Metropolitan Detention Centers (MDCs), Federal Detention Centers (FDCs), Federal Medical Centers (FMCs), the Federal Transfer Center (FTC), the Medical Center for Federal Prisoners (MCFP), and the Administrative-Maximum Security Penitentiary (ADX). Administrative facilities, except the ADX, are capable of holding inmates in all security categories.


Example: Your lvl 1 cust in a work camp, (easy time) you swing on a officer, go to DR court and end up serving the rest of your time in admin cust.(hard time)

 

[Aldebaran]

This whole thing is weird. I don't know what to do with it at this point. Im willing to be wrong here, someone explain how he killed himself while on camera on suicide watch? And the guards didn't notice... twice? Someone might have broken into his cell and attacked him the first time?

I honestly wonder if the guards didn't kick him to sleep.

Well, we better not speculate on what might have happened or we'll be simply labeled as conspiracy theorists, even though the camera footage would tell the whole story--assuming the camera wasn't "accidently" turned off.

But it appears that more information is coming in. In an article posted an hour ago, it says that he was actually taken OFF suicide watch, even though he had attempted suicide before.

Everything We Know About Jeffrey Epstein’s Death
Three weeks before his death, on July 23, Epstein had been found semiconscious in his cell with marks on his neck — though it was not clear if he had tried to harm himself or had been attacked. Prison officials investigated the injury as a possible suicide attempt and put Epstein on suicide watch, which would entail being placed in a special cell where he could be constantly monitored by prison personnel and prevented from having access to any means by which he could take his own life. Epstein was also subject to a daily psychiatric evaluation during this time, according to a source who spoke with the New York Times.

But for reasons still unknown as of Saturday afternoon, Epstein was taken off of suicide watch on July 29 and returned to the MCC’s special housing unit, according to the Times. Typically, that should have only happened if the prison’s chief psychologist approved the change after evaluating the inmate and justifying why they are no longer at risk of harming themselves.

 

[LostMarbels]

though it was not clear if he had tried to harm himself or had been attacked.

How? He is in protective custody in a isolated cell. He has zero interaction with any other inmates. How do you not know if he was attacked? Im looking for a floor plan. How did someone get past a guard station and into his locked cell with no one noticing?

Well, we better not speculate on what might have happened or we'll be simply labeled as conspiracy theorists, even though the camera footage would tell the whole story--assuming the camera wasn't "accidently" turned off.

I agree to a point. Speculation is part of problem solving. Coming to a conclusion without substantive evidence is just nuts.

 

[Aldebaran]

How? He is in protective custody in a isolated cell. He has zero interaction with any other inmates. How do you not know if he was attacked? Im looking for a floor plan. How did someone get past a guard station and into his locked cell with no one noticing?

I agree to a point. Speculation is part of problem solving. Coming to a conclusion without substantive evidence is just nuts.

My guess is that they'll find that those who were supposed to be watching him weren't, or someone attacked him who had access to his cell (such as a guard), or maybe they watched him hang himself and just decided to let him go through with it.
The thing that will only cause conspiracy theories to grow is if the investigators decide to not investigate, and the MSM goes with the "A child molester is dead, now let's move on to more important things, like how to say more things against Trump" narrative.

 

[High Fidelity]

How do they do it while being watched?

Assumes they're paying attention all the time. Most people, prison guards included, couldn't care less if pedophiles etc kill themselves.

 

[Abraxos]

**Statement from AG Barr**

"Mr. Epstein's death raises serious questions that must be answered. In addition to the FBI's investigation, I have consulted with the Inspector General who is opening an investigation into the circumstances of Mr. Epstein's death."

 

[Aldebaran]

Assumes they're paying attention all the time. Most people, prison guards included, couldn't care less if pedophiles etc kill themselves.

Maybe not, but they might still care about keeping their job if failing to do their job results in an inmate death.

 

[LostMarbels]

My guess is that they'll find that those who were supposed to be watching him weren't, or someone attacked him who had access to his cell (such as a guard), or maybe they watched him hang himself and just decided to let him go through with it.
The thing that will only cause conspiracy theories to grow is if the investigators decide to not investigate, and the MSM goes with the "A child molester is dead, now let's move on to more important things, like how to say more things against Trump" narrative.

Honestly, I am very callous about his death. Im not right before God in that. I'm actualy thankful there is no risk of this individual ever harming a child again. He is dead. The threat is gone. And on the flip side I have a drive to figure out what is wrong here. It's not for him. God forgive me, it doesn't bother me if he was killed. What I want to know is what can we do for his victims? He was running a worldwide sex trafficking ring. How many kids are still out there with people that are still in that ring? How many answers did he have? That is why I want to know what happened here.

We hear about kids in cages all the time. Here we have a guy that literally caged kids so some grown man could have sex with them. And I want to know who is behind this. Because this sick stuff needs to stop and there are still kids in this sex ring even tho he is dead. Not gonna lie. It really bothers me.

Something like this is not about politics for me. I would turn in my own child for selling kids for sex. Done. Dead to me. It is reprehensible. For some to think politics matter in this drives me up a wall. I will literally have zero respect for any individual that gets wrapped up in this.

 

[Aldebaran]

Honestly, I am very callous about his death. Im not right before God in that. I'm actualy thankful there is no risk of this individual ever harming a child again. He is dead. The threat is gone. And on the flip side I have a drive to figure out what is wrong here. It's not for him. God forgive me, it doesn't bother me if he was killed. What I want to know is what can we do for his victims? He was running a worldwide sex trafficking ring. How many kids are still out there with people that are still in that ring? How many answers did he have? That is why I want to know what happened here.

We hear about kids in cages all the time. Here we have a guy that literally caged kids so some grown man could have sex with them. And I want to know who is behind this. Because this sick stuff needs to stop and there are still kids in this sex ring even tho he is dead. Not gonna lie. It really bothers me.

Something like this is not about politics for me. I would turn in my own child for selling kids for sex. Done. Dead to me. It is reprehensible. For some to think politics matter in this drives me up a wall. I will literally have zero respect for any individual that gets wrapped up in this.

I would hope that if his sex trafficking ring was worldwide, then there would be others running it that were close to him that could be (and certainly should be by now) brought down and questioned. There's no way it was a one-man operation.

 

[bèlla]

I have learned over time that people lead lifestyles that would shock their friends and neighbors. The cloak of respectability often hides the greatest horrors.

Epstein provided services to an echelon with the power and means to cover their tracks. We may never know what happened or who’s still in captivity. They’ll release the information they want the public to have and nothing more. The Clintons won’t be implicated. They’re in too deep for that. But a scapegoat is possible.

 

[LostMarbels]

I have learned over time that people lead lifestyles that would shock their friends and neighbors. The cloak of respectability often hides the greatest horrors.

Very eloquently put.

Epstein provided services to an echelon with the power and means to cover their tracks. We may never know what happened or who’s still in captivity.

I know. I truly rips my heart out.

The Clintons won’t be implicated.

In the murder? Maybe not. For me tho, I don't even really care. I want it shut down and kids to get saved. This ring needs to stop. That would more than suffice. I honestly don't care who. Just rip their heads off and save the kids.

 

[bèlla]

Very eloquently put.

Thank you.

In the murder? Maybe not. For me tho, I don't even really care. I want it shut down and kids to get saved. This ring needs to stop. That would more than suffice. I honestly don't care who. Just rip their heads off and save the kids.

Unfortunately, there are people in our society who are sexually attracted to minors. I’ve encountered my share on the Internet. Dating with a teen daughter brought inquiries from men desiring one or both. Thankfully I averted them. But the majority were upfront. We live in a sick world.

Taboo fetishes are bigger than most realize and taking place under their nose. I’ve heard it all. But I listen to understand how a person reaches that point and the signs I need to be mindful of to protect my loved ones.

In most cases the partner agrees and participates. The typical image of a deviant man isn’t wholly true. Oftentimes the pair preys on victims together.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I bet the only one surprised by this was Epstein himself.

...eh, I'm thinking he knew he wasn't making it long. Whether it be from other inmates who don't take kindly to sex offenders, powerful people wanting his mouth closed, etc...

That's likely why he and his lawyer were desperately trying to reach a deal where he could post a massive bail and be confined to his Manhattan townhouse while he awaited trial, where police would be outside the premises to make sure he didn't leave, but he would have his own private security inside the residence with him.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

yes

I’m not surprised and I never believed he’d take the stand. He knew too much.

Yes, I'm thinking hit job.

 

[LostMarbels]

yes

Yes, I'm thinking hit job.

But who? And how?

 

[Speedwell]

But who? And how?

Lots of ways. The apparent suicide in a prison cell is a staple of murder mysteries. As to who, we may never know, but the Right will move Heaven and Earth to pin it on Hillary.

 

[Aldebaran]

Lots of ways. The apparent suicide in a prison cell is a staple of murder mysteries. As to who, we may never know, but the Right will move Heaven and Earth to pin it on Hillary.

Who is "the right"?