Epoch of Time

[BukiRob]

Please quote from the Wikipedia artical where it says that time has slowed from the Big Bang until now. I'm always open to being convinced.

Or have I misunderstood what you meant?

The redshift proves that. You seem to not be clear that its SPACE/TIME they're inseperable

 

[Laureate]

Shouldn't our planet be cooler then? We have had one of the hottest years this summer.

I know it sounds crazy, nonetheless a refrigerator requires heat to create ice, and cold causes heat to rise, rising heat increases potential cloud coverage, and clouds trap heat in the lower atmosphere, there are far too many nuances that can effect our temperature and weather;

The power of a Star-Sun is fueled by Hydrogen, now consider the properties of water, H2O, they do not pour sand and dirt on the raging forest fires due to a lack of water, they do so because at certain temperatures water breaks down and becomes a extremely powerful accelerant.

Our planet is a Star-Sun that emmits Light in the form of Life.

 

[Meowzltov]

The redshift proves that. You seem to not be clear that its SPACE/TIME they're inseperable

No, it doesn't. I've sat in Astronomy classes and learned this stuff.

 

[Laureate]

Here is another curious one.. slowed down and sped up... almost like a pulse of a heart beat...Big-Bang Theory: "The Universe has Slowed Down and Speeded Up Seven Times"

Wow, just before I read this the Spirit reminded me of the pattern of things, and pointed out the path which we travel around the Sun where we draw both near and far to the Sun resulting in the four seasons;

We see time as a constant, yet a precise earth clock would take into account precisely where we are in relationship to both the speed we travel around the Sun and our distant location in relationship with the Sun;

In essence our seconds, minutes, and hours do not accurately represent a true depiction of actual Time and it's real effects on earth, they (seconds, minutes and hours) are statistically based on an average of a nonfluctuating time over the space of a year (which is easier to track and measure), yet we all know that summer days are longer than winter days;

When I considered this, I suspected the same fluctuations could be occurring on a grander scale, as your link is suggesting.

 

[Laureate]

Please quote from the Wikipedia artical where it says that time has slowed from the Big Bang until now. I'm always open to being convinced.

Or have I misunderstood what you meant?

The following is a copy from Wikipedia's subject on Time dilation, taken from the very first sentence and paragraph on the matter;
"Time dilation explains why two working clocks will report different times after different accelerations."
Key words, "...different times after different accelerations." Yet equally important here is the distance of a (travelling) object, the paragraph goes on to point out...
"For example, at the ISS time goes slower, lagging 0.007 seconds behind for every six months. For GPS satellites to work, they must adjust for similar bending of spacetime to coordinate with systems on Earth."

Again, consider a tether ball hanging from a pole in a school yard, when we lift up the ball and hit it, the initial Pop-Bang has it's greatest thrust and immediately loses momentum due to drag and plow, yet as the rope begins to wrap around the pole the distance between the pole and ball gradually decreases, causing the G-forces to increase the acceleration which the ball travels around the pole.

Consider how fast the ball is wrapping around the pole as it draws closest to the pole, now imagine what it would take for a fully extended tether ball to match this wrapping speed while maintaining it's distance from the pole, it would without a doubt require a much greater acceleration to keep up with the ball closest to the pole.

Which brings me back to my analogy of a file a marching soldiers turning on a pivot where the pivot person is nearly marching in place the the rim person is moving as quickly and fast as they can to keep up with one who is barely moving.
The military March is measured in and referred to as, Time, as in 'March Timmmme, March!' is the command to march in place, and 'Double timmmmme March!' is the command to move at a light jog, likewise, Time is Marching on at variable accelerations.
Can you imagine how many years one would be considered to have lived if one strictly counted the Days of an Alaskan year only, where a sunset is subject to last many days?!?
Meanwhile a perspective taken from Equatorial Time renders a different length and number of days, yet both occur within the precise same hypothetical time in which we view and track time.

If we take this information into consideration, we can imagine and ascertain, at what angle, speed and distance it would take for a person dwelling at a particular location on earth for thode before the flood to apparently live so long, even still this much info is only Theoretical, as in, not sufficient enough to rely on as (entirely) factual.

But what should not be construde as theoretical is the initial thrust of an explosion, which is extremely faster than the speed of a projectile that accumulates drag and plow;
Our universe has been Expanding ever since Elohéyîm spoke with the largest Thunder Crack, let there be Light, in a similar fashion He placed a Firmament (lit., Expance) in the midst of the waters, hence the study of Light and Sound should be considered One, though they appear to be entirely different they are only differentiated by Magnitude and Length of Wave and Frequency.
In fact Light is an expanded Magnification of Sound, as Sound is a Condensation of Light, the two are separated by 40 octaves, and thought waves are only a few octaves lower than Sound waves, yet keep in mind, no matter what it is that we perceive, Wave length + Frequency = the speed of Light on the Electromagnetic scale;
Even the term, 'Electro-magnetic' appears to be made up of two distinct anomalies Electricity and Magnetism, however these are just different States of the same thing, like Ice and Steam.

 

[Laureate]

A New York minute (meaning faster than the average minute elsewhere) & (the term) Hawaiian time (meaning very slow), are more than just figures of speech.

 

[Laureate]

What is difficut to explain is where we are in time, Where Many see us as 6 thousand years after Creation, I see us as having crossed the (outer rim) of the Sixth day of Creation at the earliest hours of the seventh millennium;
In essence Existence packed itself into a seed, at which point and time Creation was complete, and while we are yet unfolding (unto that which has already taken place) certain developements are preordained in the packing, though there be a range of options on how to unfold.

I know it's too much for Many to fathom, but in Truth, We (collectively) are Elohéyîm, and We Created Heaven and Earth in six days, and History it self represents how we did it.

 

[Meowzltov]

The following is a copy from Wikipedia's subject on Time dilation, taken from the very first sentence and paragraph on the matter;
"Time dilation explains why two working clocks will report different times after different accelerations."

I read nothing in your quotes to support your apparent assertion that Time in general has slowed since the Big Bang.

I fully acknowledge that there is time dilation between to simulatneously existing objects. That's why an astronaut who returns to earth isn't the same age as if he had stayed on earth.

But that's not the same thing as what we are debating.

 

[pinacled]

Epoch of time.

God said:

Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

After Adam ate the fruit, he continued to live for nearly a thousand years, until he finally died.



Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.
Hosea 6:2
After two days he will revive us; upon the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.
2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.

2 Peter 3:8
But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

Hosea 6:2
After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.

The resurrection of the elect is after two thousand years, and the third day is the end of the thousand years, and it is the resurrection of the sheep and goats.


Matthew 24
22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Matthew 25:32
All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Revelation 20
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years



For certain there is a parabolic element to the story, but as you know parables are mixed with the literal. This means that a spirit of discernment is required. As for spirits, it is a fact that they also have a soul; both body and spirit. Only it is not like our flesh and blood bodies. Yahwah is a Holy Spirit, and He is the God of spirits.
A person can not see a spirit, but a person can see a soul. And because those in the kingdom of God have a soul, that is how we will be able to recognize each other.

The creation days are epochs of time, and the age of the Earth is not accounted for.
It is not until the creation of Adam on the sixth day that the calendar begins. The fact that life forms have a limited adaptability according to their design is no proof of Evolution.

What real proof is there of one species departing from its basic form? Artist drawings do not count as scientific fact.
If Evolution was true, then why have the oldest prehistoric life forms alive today not evolved?
In the rock strata of fossils, it shows that while one group suddenly went extinct, others suddenly sprang into being.

Cherub ram,
I would like to remark for a moment here.
Unfortunately your thread concerning Roman law was closed.
And i have no doubt as to why.
Human sacrifice in Roman law was common place.
Which would surmount to a preisthood using such pagan laws to convict out Lord and Savior to die. There is no other means to do so by Royal Law.
So as we are now called to be a royal preisthood.

Do ignore the foul attempts of the enemies threats. Salvation is not hidden to those who know the son of nun.

Blessed is our Lord before all of the congregation.

 

[CherubRam]

Cherub ram,
I would like to remark for a moment here.
Unfortunately your thread concerning Roman law was closed.
And i have no doubt as to why.
Human sacrifice in Roman law was common place.
Which would surmount to a preisthood using such pagan laws to convict out Lord and Savior to die. There is no other means to do so by Royal Law.
So as we are now called to be a royal preisthood.

Do ignore the foul attempts of the enemies threats. Salvation is not hidden to those who know the son of nun.

Blessed is our Lord before all of the congregation.

I am certain that Yahshua was not a Roman sacrifice to the Pagan sun god. Yahshua was hung on a stake, not a cross. The Latin Vulgate's crux means cross, and is not related to the Greek word stauros.

 

[CherubRam]

Truth

John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”

Acts 20:29-30
29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.

Romans 1:18
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

Romans 1:25
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Romans 2:2
Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth.

Romans 2:8
But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.

1 Corinthians 13:6
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

2 Corinthians 4:2
Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

Galatians 4:16
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?

2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

2 Timothy 4:4
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

2 Peter 2:2
Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

 

[Laureate]

I read nothing in your quotes to support your apparent assertion that Time in general has slowed since the Big Bang.

I fully acknowledge that there is time dilation between to simulatneously existing objects. That's why an astronaut who returns to earth isn't the same age as if he had stayed on earth.

But that's not the same thing as what we are debating.

It took me a (galactic) minute to grasp the the bigger picture with it's pertinent parts;
The following excerpt is from Wikipedia's report on Time dilation.

"Thus the duration of the clock cycle of a moving clock is found to be increased: it is measured to be "running slow".

This is clearly saying, The duration of a Cycle of Time is increased when it is running slower, and inversely, a Cycle of Time is decreased when it is running faster;

This is a direct result of our growing expansion, for when we were closer to the Sun the earth Orbited the Sun faster, simultaneously the earth's rotation was reciprocally slower, resulting in longer days yet with shorter years;

Now that the earth is further away the Orbiting-Cycle is much greater, and (to keep it's orbit) earth is rotating reciprocally faster, resulting in shorter days, and longer years.

Our increased velocity can very well account for the global warming phenomena.

Can you acknowledge and agree to the following? And if not, which point is unacceptable for you?
• Time dilation is the result of universal expansion
• The closer earth's orbit is to the Sun the annual cycle is shorter, and reciprocally
• The closer earth's orbit is to the Sun the daily cycle is longer (because earth is rotating slower)

In essence the years of Adam were many because the years were 12 times shorter, thus his 960 years would equate to just 80 years as we perceive time.

 

[Meowzltov]

"Thus the duration of the clock cycle of a moving clock is found to be increased: it is measured to be "running slow".

Only when compared to another clock running simultaneously. In the case of the time the universe is running there is no other simultaneously running clock of , i.e. another universe.

 

[Laureate]

Only when compared to another clock running simultaneously. In the case of the time the universe is running there is no other simultaneously running clock of , i.e. another universe.

Yea, I saw what you are seeing too, however if you read the Wikipedia report on Time dilation you'll see that it is not just referring to a mechanical clock operating differently because of location and speed, it pertains to life cycles as well, as you noted the aging difference of an astronaut;

We do not need another universe to measure that which is within our universe, on the other hand, the raw particles of יהוה 'Existence' are Timeless, it would be foolish to try to measure the extent of something that has neither beginning nor end.

Our overall perspective of Time is immensely biased, what makes it difficult to grasp is we deal with it as if it were an arbitrary duration of nonfluctuating seconds, minutes, hours, days, and years, but the raw math says, Not So!

How inappropriate would it be for me to perfectly take into account the precise amount of food to feed my 26 guests according to their individual nutritional needs, but when the time comes to serve them I dibby out the food equally to each individual regardless to their actual needs?

This is how we treat Time when we limit our perspective of Time to our Clock's distorted perspective of dibby.

The beauty of examining science from an Electromagnetic scale point of view is, everything has precise inversions and reciprocals that once one is aware of them, they can see what otherwise is presently undetectable;

For example when a Wave length is too long to measure or too small to detect it is at such times that the Frequency of such Wave lengths become short enough to measure and large enough to detect, and the inverse of this is reciprocally true with flawless precision, for when a Frequency is too long to measure or small to detect it's Wave length becomes long enough to measure and large enough to detect;

But this can only benefit one who understands that the two are one reciprocally, in that they fluctuate in tandem with one another.

 

[Laureate]

Theoretically, Time will be No More once we reach the speed of light, it appears that we entered life from an orbiting light speed, and will enter eternity at a light speed rotation, neither of which speeds are detectable to the unaided carnal-natural eye.

Keep in mind, we are traveling through space at a considerable (yet nearly undetectable) high rate of speed, and yet we are slowing down, on the other hand we are rotating-spinning at a phenomenal rate of speed, and are increasing, yet we are neither thrown off our habitation nor physically overwhelmed by it, though this is not too difficult for a scientist to explain, it out right amazes me!

 

[Laureate]

Keep in mind, He is the Light, and therefore everything is standing still as a 3D picture from (one of) His (eye's) point of view, and if everything is standing still, then he is able to view everything that will occur within the entire duration of Time all at once, the Duration of Time it self being where all mass is imprisoned - arrested.

 

[Laureate]

Truth

John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”

Acts 20:29-30
29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.

Romans 1:18
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

Romans 1:25
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Romans 2:2
Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth.

Romans 2:8
But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.

1 Corinthians 13:6
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

2 Corinthians 4:2
Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

Galatians 4:16
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?

2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

2 Timothy 4:4
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

2 Peter 2:2
Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to your trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:" [1st Timothy 6:20]
"Holding the Mystery of the Faith in a pure con-Science." [1st Timothy 3:9]

In the biblical sense a Good Con-Science is a Harmonic Reconciliation of one's Science (-intific view) of the Truth, as projected in the Toruth, in essence We who Seek the Kingdom are Scientists and our Faith is our Science, and the inverse is equally true, the Science of a Worldly Scientist is the Faith of a Worldly Scientist, becareful my brother, to not stumble over the words, nor over their inherent truths.

"Holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.

One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians [derogatory for Christians] are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

Unto the Pure all things are Pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing Pure; but even their mind and Con-Science is defiled.

They profess that they know Elohéyîm; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

But speak you the things which become sound doctrine:

In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you." [Titus 1:9-2:1, & 2:7-8]

 

[Meowzltov]

I'm just saying, in all the definitions I've read, including those quoted here in this thread, time dilation is a comparison of two different clocks simultaneously going at different speeds. If that's not true, then it's not time dilation.

 

[Laureate]

I'm just saying, in all the definitions I've read, including those quoted here in this thread, time dilation is a comparison of two different clocks simultaneously going at different speeds. If that's not true, then it's not time dilation.

That is time dilation as well, there is just a little more to it than we I(both) initially learned of it.

 

[Laureate]

Due to the inherent expansion of the universe I am inclined to postulate that the continental drift was more than the result of a great earthquake, but by an earthquake which was caused by the Mantle snap, crack and popping from under the pressure of the inherent (universal) firmament which (for the moment) continues to expand, thus causing the continents to continue to drift apart.