Enter the Kingdom of God vs Inherit the Kingdom

[TibiasDad]

The original verse makes sense that if a believer lives in the flesh they may die (God may take their physical life before their time to die as discipline for a sinful life )

Only in an eisegistic dream world in which machetes are taken to the rules of hermeneutics and the natural reading of the text! This view is about as true as a flat earth!


Doug

 

[Andrewn]

It is because we are not in the realm of the flesh, that we have the hope of physical resurrection, but this is only true if we are "not in the realm of the flesh, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you". This is the meaning of verse 11; it cannot be anything else in the context.

Unbelievers who are "in the realm of the flesh" will also be physically resurrected, albeit to suffer the 2nd death. How does this fit with Rom 8:11?

 

[d taylor]

Only in an eisegistic dream world in which machetes are taken to the rules of hermeneutics and the natural reading of the text! This view is about as true as a flat earth!


Doug

verse 4-6 in Romans 8 shows there are two types of believers (ones who live by the spirit and one who live to the flesh) and these verses end by saying the living in the flesh believer cannot please God.
And again if spiritual death was the outcome, verse 6 "For to be carnally minded is death" would be the perfect place to state this, by not just saying is death but by saying, is spiritual death. But the verse does not say spiritual death.

that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[TibiasDad]

verse 4-6 in Romans 8 shows there are two types of believers (ones who live by the spirit and one who live to the flesh) and these verses end by saying the living in the flesh believer cannot please God.

Rom 8:3... And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.

No, there are not two types of believers, there are two type of people: believers and unbelievers, people led by the Spirit and people led by the flesh, minds governed by the Spirit and minds governed by the flesh, those who are hostile and those who are not, those who do not submit to God's law, and those who do, those who can please God and those who cannot.

Those who are believers are led and governed by the Spirit, they are not hostile, they submit to God's law and please him. This is not to say that believers are incapable of sinning, but Paul is not talking about the occasional sin, but rather a way of life, a consistent way of behaving.

Those led by the sinful nature cannot please God: That is not a statement about believer! Believers can and do please God, the momentary lasts of judgement notwithstanding!


Doug