Enoch and Elijah

[benedictaoo]

If you are on the political left, can you not be on the right side of Jesus?

Let me to put it another way. There are right and left politicians who believe we can do this thing on our own with out basing ourselves on God's Divine laws whether it be pertaining to moral law or caring for the lesser among us. If we keep thinking we can do this thing with out God, we are just going to keep spinning our wheels. We will keep getting the same results. We, those who are faithful, we are faced with the same temptations as Jesus. Please read the two homilies of the last two popes. The three temptations Jesus dealt with. The first was to just live on bread alone, temporal needs. The 2nd, power, attaining worldly power, the 3rd, put God to the test. Bottom line, we need to resist temptations that politics in general put to us. If you can not recognize that we constantly face temptation like this from the world, that politics belong to the devil now, you should look closer.

 

[pdudgeon]

If you are on the political left, can you not be on the right side of Jesus?

not when it's a choice between life or death.
i know that there are some people who want to defend choice, and freedom of speech, and all that. it's what people do with those choices that they make
that tells whether they side with God or not.

God wanted us to choose, and He understands our desire to do so. but each choice comes with a consequence: life or death.
God is on the side of life. At His own expense--not at the expense of others.

so if we're on God's side, then we're on the side of life at our own expense.
we're on the side of marriage between a man and a woman where each gives more than they get.
we're on the side of having children, even when it means we skip lunch so they can have theirs.
we're on the side of prayer in public places, even when we are stared at for praying in public right in front of everyone.
we're on the side of making our faith count for something, even if it is counted in jail.
we're on the side of saying what we believe in, even when heckled.

we do this not because we're so good, but because Jesus was so good.

 

[pdudgeon]

What sin is being promoted as a tool to end poverty,

lawlessness, covetousness, and dependence upon the government instead of dependence on God.

achieve peace

reliance on the unholy trinity to achieve a false peace--check Revelation

or stop discrimination?

laws of government and kings instead of the laws of God.

p.s. thanks for the questions--they're good ones!

 

[benedictaoo]

What sin is being promoted as a tool to end poverty, achieve peace or stop discrimination?

Like I said, it's a shame you don't even recognize it. Abortion is to solve poverty in the minds of many. Allowing same sex marriage is to grant equality, never mind that it's God's institution and same sex marriage is impossible. Its laws like these and the mentality that goes with it, like the right to die, its godless apostasy that will land you on the left for sure. That you were raised Christian? I can not recall. And you have succumbed to these temptations and you don't even know that you have. Your searching for truth and that's good, keep on and you'll find it. But this is why faith is so hard, the culture that tells our subconscious we don't need God, that He's not relevant. That He's not there. Its societies fault you struggle to believe. I'm sorry if I'm too forward but I call it like I see it.

 

[benedictaoo]

There can be individual exceptions, but in general, the political left takes pride in its godlessness. And the political right is generally Christian and unashamed to confess our belief in Jesus.

To be fair, so does the right. They are two sides of the same coin. The right are moral hypocrites. The left are just as greedy as the right. In public they promote each side of their coin but in private they are all out for worldly power and their own glory and greed. They truly represent satan who is prince of the world.

 

[MikeK]

but you forgot to mention that He was mocked and accused of cowardness and a lot else besides that by His detractors.
so which side are you on again?

Huh? Jesus was not a coward, and I don't know of any instances where he was directly accused of cowardice. Can you give some examples of times where Jesus was directly accused of being a coward?

 

[pdudgeon]

Huh? Jesus was not a coward, and I don't know of any instances where he was directly accused of cowardice. Can you give some examples of times where Jesus was directly accused of being a coward?

already done, post #614, page 31.
and on the cross when the crowd dared Him to come down from the cross and save Himself. Matthew 27:39-43.

so not only did they deride Jesus, but also God Himself.
the 5th sorrowful mystery.

satan still uses the same tactics against us today, when others dare us to do something we know is wrong. but when we hang in there and keep on doing what we should as a testimony to our belief and trust in God, we are courageous. We can take the insults and unite them with what Jesus suffered for us on the cross.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

lawlessness, covetousness, and dependence upon the government instead of dependence on God.


reliance on the unholy trinity to achieve a false peace--check Revelation

laws of government and kings instead of the laws of God.

p.s. thanks for the questions--they're good ones!

So what are the effective solutions to end poverty, promote peace, and end discrimination that don't involve sin?

 

[MikeK]

already done, post #614, page 31.
and on the cross when the crowd dared Him to come down from the cross and save Himself. Matthew 27:39-43.

so not only did they deride Jesus, but also God Himself.
the 5th sorrowful mystery.

satan still uses the same tactics against us today, when others dare us to do something we know is wrong. but when we hang in there and keep on doing what we should as a testimony to our belief and trust in God, we are courageous. We can take the insults and unite them with what Jesus suffered for us on the cross.

That is not an instance of Jesus being accused of cowardice. You said He was accused of cowardice, when was that?

 

[pdudgeon]

So what are the effective solutions to end poverty, promote peace, and end discrimination that don't involve sin?

the the single effective solution to end poverty is to recognize the difference between a need and a want.

that's a simple thing, but it's very difficult for many to achieve in today's society.
remember the story of the Rich Young Ruler whom Jesus asked to give up all he owned,
give it to the poor, and then to come and follow him? It wasn't his riches that held him back--
it was his evaluation of what they ment to the young man as his source of self esteem and security.

He didn't know the difference between a need and a want, so he placed all his faith in his possessions.
What he needed was Jesus; what he wanted were things.

The second thing is to realize that it is God who provides our daily bread, just as He provided manna for the Jews while they were in the desert.
Realizing the truth about those two things right there (need/want and the source of our provision) would revolutionize our global economy, starting with each person.

to promote peace we need to recognize the basic needs (not wants) of everyone and make the decision to act on that truth by redistributing the wealth so that everyone has enough.
when that happens the next thing to do is to get rid of covetousness; whether it be for things or wealth or land, or recognition.
By rightly recognizing that the value of people exceeds the value of things, we could live in peace.

ending discrimination would be another fruit of the above policies of correct valuation of people and things.

 

[pdudgeon]

That is not an instance of Jesus being accused of cowardice. You said He was accis d of cowardice, when was that?

do you think that when the priests told Jesus to come down from the cross and they would believe in Him, and He stayed on the cross, that they didn't think Him a coward?

think about it Mike.
when you offer someone a challenge, what do you usually think of them if they don't accept it?
what do you accuse them of?
do you need a reminder?

 

[Michie]

What did Jesus say about the poor and peace in general in Scripture? We are still called to do what we can but Jesus was pretty clear that these problems will exist until He comes again.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

What did Jesus say about the poor and peace in general in Scripture? We are still called to do what we can but Jesus was pretty clear that these problems will exist until He comes again.

Also, the left creates poverty by encouraging the break up of families. They do this by teaching women the lie that marriage is oppressive and that adultery and divorce is liberating. But the truth is it's been statistically proven that children of divorce are far more likely to be poor than children who grow up in a stable traditional family.

 

[benedictaoo]

So what are the effective solutions to end poverty, promote peace, and end discrimination that don't involve sin?

If we were to allow ourselves to truly be lead by all the Christian principles laid out by Christ, fulfilled by Christ we, this world would change by the next sun up. But we instead make allowances and allow the faithless, godless voices to be heard all in the name of freedom. There is nothing free about living a life of sin. Nothing free about making sin our laws.

 

[benedictaoo]

What did Jesus say about the poor and peace in general in Scripture? We are still called to do what we can but Jesus was pretty clear that these problems will exist until He comes again.

Because Jesus knew the "world" would never be converted. That's why He calls those who follow Him out of this world. To live in it but not to become of it. We see many here who argue in favor of government sanctioned sin, they are of this world, they follow the world.

 

[pdudgeon]

What did Jesus say about the poor and peace in general in Scripture? We are still called to do what we can but Jesus was pretty clear that these problems will exist until He comes again.

this ^^^ is very true.
and He said so because He knew the fallen nature of man, and He also
knew that the only true answer to those problems is to see them as our Father sees them.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

If we were to allow ourselves to truly be lead by all the Christian principles laid out by Christ, fulfilled by Christ we, this world would change by the next sun up. But we instead make allowances and allow the faithless, godless voices to be heard all in the name of freedom. There is nothing free about living a life of sin. Nothing free about making sin our laws.

So as a person living in this world today, what do I do to make it better tomorrow? How do I help starving children globally, help those displaced by war, ensure that the sick have the health care they need, the planet is cared for and able to sustain human life at these numbers, and people are treated justly regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, or religion etc.? How do I use the tools at my disposal, like my ability to vote, the time and limited funds I can share, access to social media, etc, to change the world for the better?

 

[MikeK]

do you think that when the priests told Jesus to come down from the cross and they would believe in Him, and He stayed on the cross, that they didn't think Him a coward?

Of course they didn't think He was a coward, they thought He was a liar and wasn't the Son of God and they were goading Him over it.

think about it Mike.
when you offer someone a challenge, what do you usually think of them if they don't accept it?
what do you accuse them of?
do you need a reminder?

I sometimes think that they are liars, and I sometimes think that they are cowards, but the two are generally distinct from eachother. Are you able to find anything supporting your statement that Jesus was accused of cowardice?

 

[MikeK]

What did Jesus say about the poor and peace in general in Scripture? We are still called to do what we can but Jesus was pretty clear that these problems will exist until He comes again.

Yup. We will never eliminate suffering entirely, but we are called to try. That perfection is impossible is not an excuse not to strive for it. Aim small, miss small.

 

[MikeK]

Because Jesus knew the "world" would never be converted. That's why He calls those who follow Him out of this world. To live in it but not to become of it. We see many here who argue in favor of government sanctioned sin, they are of this world, they follow the world.

Who in this discussion is arguing for government sanctioned sin?