Enoch and Elijah

[MikeK]

A person with the Spirit of truth would be subject to that Spirit first, putting both God and the truth before and above all else.
and only when or if God authorized the revelation of the name of the anti-christ, would that name then be forthcoming.

so far God has not given the authorization for the release of the name.
and that authorization would have been given to the Vicar of Christ on Earth.

not to one of us.

Where does this command come from, that the identity of the Antichrist not be revealed until God says so? Is that written somewhere or do people with the Spirit of Truth just know without having to be told because of all of their spiritual truthiness?

 

[pdudgeon]

It is some people's job to determine which bills are counterfeit. Who's job is it to determine who the Antichrist is, and what should they do with that knowledge should they posess it?

the knowledge belongs to God, and to Christ, the Son of God, and to the Holy Spirit.
They give that knowledge when and to whom They will.
the anti-christ reveals himself through his actions as prophesied. (but you would have to read prophecy to know that.)

 

[pdudgeon]

It's also possible that they aren't as smart as some of our members or that they lacked the spirit of truth that is so evident in some of us. That's a possibility.

nope. ^^^that's unwaranted conjecture, at the best.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Why have the popes of the last 50 years, including saints and great theologians, kept this information from the people?

Either they don't know this information (that is, they disagree with the interpretation) or

They choose to keep this information from the people.

The only thing that the Church hasn't done is to tell us the exact time when Jesus will return. But in letting us know that we are in the time of the widespread rebellion against God, she has let us know that it could be near.

 

[pdudgeon]

Where does this command come from, that the identity of the Antichrist not be revealed until God says so? Is that written somewhere or do people with the Spirit of Truth just know without having to be told because of all of their spiritual truthiness?

LOL, it's in Daniel.
Begin with Daniel 9, and then go to Daniel 11:33-35.
continue on thru Daniel 12:13.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I suggest to everyone to take a look at this post by someone over on CAFs:

http://forums.catholic.com/showpost.php?s=786a682621844b8d60dad1f76604bf0b&p=13337261&postcount=771

I think it's very interesting.

 

[pdudgeon]

I suggest to everyone to take a look at this post by someone over on CAFs:

http://forums.catholic.com/showpost.php?s=786a682621844b8d60dad1f76604bf0b&p=13337261&postcount=771

I think it's very interesting.

and also the subsequent link:
http://www.missionsandiego.org/pope-....sGLiumWW.dpuf

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I think it's interesting that we are in the third millennium, or one might call it the third "day" (see 2 Peter 3:8 & CCC 732).

I also suggest that people here take a look at this old thread I created over on CAFs last year:

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=12460504
.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

and also the subsequent link:
http://www.missionsandiego.org/pope-....sGLiumWW.dpuf

With Pope Francis' plan to open the Holy Doors on Dec. 8 for the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy year and the overt connection this has to the Divine Mercy revelation to St. Faustina, I wonder if this jubilee year could be the time when Enoch and Elijah show up since their mission was prophesied to have the same theme.

 

[mark46]

With Pope Francis' plan to open the Holy Doors on Dec. 8 for the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy year and the overt connection this has to the Divine Mercy revelation to St. Faustina, I wonder if this jubilee year could be the time when Enoch and Elijah show up since their mission was prophesied to have the same theme.

Why this jubilee and not the last?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Why this jubilee and not the last?

Because of the theme of God's divine mercy and the theme of repentance and reconciliation that goes with it. It's the first time we will have a jubilee year with that theme. And it is how Sacred Scripture describes what the mission of the two witnesses will be. Their mission is to do the same as what St. John the Baptist was doing around the time of the First Coming. He was calling everyone to repent and be reconciled to God, and that's what the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy is going to be all about.

 

[MikeK]

Why this jubilee and not the last?

There were FOUR BLOOD MOONS in ONE TETRAD this year, as Father Z would say. Be ready, something big will happen in Israel when that 4th blood moon comes. I heard about it from people who seemed to think they had the Spirit of Truth.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Jesus said to Peter, "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” - Matthew 16:19 (added emphasis)

So I believe that the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy will be recognized in Heaven. And, as I said, the mission of Enoch and Elijah, when they return, has an identical theme. So it seems to me like it would be perfect timing if they show up at some time during that year. But who knows? Perhaps God might choose a different time for them to return for reasons that only He knows.

 

[MikeK]

Jesus said to Peter, "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” - Matthew 16:19 (added emphasis)

So I believe that the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy will be recognized in Heaven. And, as I said, the mission of Enoch and Elijah, when they return, has an identical theme. So it seems to me like it would be perfect timing if they show up at some time during that year. But who knows? Perhaps God might choose a different time for them to return for reasons that only He knows.

Certainly that time will be during the lifespan of the Antichrist, right? And we are 99.9% certain of his identity, right?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Certainly that time will be during the lifespan of the Antichrist, right? And we are 99.9% certain of his identity, right?

Would you mind responding to what I say in my post instead of coming up with random diversions?

This thread is about Enoch and Elijah.
.

 

[pdudgeon]

With Pope Francis' plan to open the Holy Doors on Dec. 8 for the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy year and the overt connection this has to the Divine Mercy revelation to St. Faustina, I wonder if this jubilee year could be the time when Enoch and Elijah show up since their mission was prophesied to have the same theme.

with respect, i would say not, and that the times for them are set on two different clocks of God.
Daniel's clock was stopped for the Jews on Palm Sunday, when they refused to recognize their King.
Subsequent to that event, the days and events of Holy Week unfolded
for the saving of the whole world. The Jubilee Year of Mercy I would say would be the capstone to that salvific act of Christ.
And the end of the Jubilee Year of Mercy would be the shutting of the door by the Bridegroom.

The Jubilee Year of Mercy has to proceed, and the number has to be fulfilled, before the clock starts again for the Jews in Revelation 14.

 

[pdudgeon]

Because of the theme of God's divine mercy and the theme of repentance and reconciliation that goes with it. It's the first time we will have a jubilee year with that theme. And it is how Sacred Scripture describes what the mission of the two witnesses will be. Their mission is to do the same as what St. John the Baptist was doing around the time of the First Coming. He was calling everyone to repent and be reconciled to God, and that's what the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy is going to be all about.

yes, but this Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy is for those who are not Jewish.

The Jewish people are on a separate clock of God, and they have a separate specific Jubilee comming as well; that of the Two Witneses, Enoch and Elijah, who are sent from God for the specific purpose to testify to their people of the Messiah who is Christ.

(that is why the last set of blood moons was tied specifically to the Jewish holidays. You might want to refer to it as an alarm clock of God going off, designed to call the attention
of the Jewish people once again to what is happening.)

there is a time set in Revelation 11:1-3 for the allowance of the gentiles to trod the courts.
and the Jews have to be here to see that number of days compleated. if the Jubilees were overlapping, the counting and fulfillment of that prophecy would not be able to be done by the Jews, for whom it is meant to be as a sign.

 

[mark46]

Because of the theme of God's divine mercy and the theme of repentance and reconciliation that goes with it. It's the first time we will have a jubilee year with that theme. And it is how Sacred Scripture describes what the mission of the two witnesses will be. Their mission is to do the same as what St. John the Baptist was doing around the time of the First Coming. He was calling everyone to repent and be reconciled to God, and that's what the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy is going to be all about.

I'll look to direction to the Vatican with regard to this Jubilee, just I did with the last one under St JPII.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I'll look to direction to the Vatican with regard to this Jubilee, just I did with the last one under St JPII.

Are you saying that there was a jubilee year with the theme of the Divine Mercy during the papacy of St. John Paul II? If that's what you are saying, I looked it up, and a jubilee year with the theme of the Divine Mercy didn't happen during St. John Paul II. He promoted the Divine Mercy a lot, but there wasn't a jubilee year specifically dedicated to it during his pontificate.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

“How greatly I desire that all those places where the Church is present, especially our parishes and our communities, may become islands of mercy in the midst of the sea of indifference!” - Pope Francis (Source)