Enoch and Elijah

[pdudgeon]

You may think what you please. I will continue to respect truth and honesty and vulnerability, without them fruitful discussion is impossible.

I have stated very clearly in this thread that there is nothing wrong with an interest in end times studies. There is something wrong with failing to serve neighbor (and refusing to tell your neighbor the identity of the person who you're 99.9% certain is the Antichrist qualifies, I'd say). It might be that LWU uses his unique gifts to do the good - good like Michie did when she brought the Eucharist to the elderly, or like Charlie does with his constant blood donations, or like I'm sure most of us do in our parish communities. I don't believe it is wrong to speak of the service we do, I think it is inspiring to read tales of the great things God's people do to help His children.

the point here is:
1. no one set you up as chief judge over whose gifts are being employed productively. That job is God's.
2. all gifts are equal--but prophecy is above all.
3. God has specifically set up a delusion for those who would be swayed by the world (and the anti-christ) that they might be caught in their own
snares. It is only the awareness and the watchfullness of such things happening that can keep those for whom the net is thrown from falling under it's
trap.
If their head is turned to the world they will fall.
But if it is turned to God and His Word in Christ, then they will see and avoid such nets that are thrown by the anti-christ.

this is one more reason why God chooses to send Enoch and Elijah back to preach to those who need to hear.
Got it? Enoch and Elijah are sufficient for the purpose God has in mind.
Enoch and Elijah are not here yet.

so if you want to know who the anti-christ is, you'll have to wait for them.
(and LWU does well not to usurp their place.)

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Is it fair to say productively LWU has offered more here than your continued ridicule? And if yes, wouldn't your stated position be a little hypocritical since your persistent participation is in-fact neglecting what you accuse others of.

Perhaps he should practice what he preaches by not spending any of his time on this website since every minute he spends on this forum is a minute that he could be helping out in a soup kitchen or giving blood.

 

[MikeK]

Perhaps he should practice what he preaches by not spending any of his time on this website since every minute he spends on this forum is a minute that he could be helping out in a soup kitchen or giving blood.

That's a false statement and you should repent for making it. I play on my phone when I'm giving blood (even though I loathe needles) and even between moments teaching religious ed. I don't help at soup kitchens, but maybe I should. Right now I'm waiting for the Church to open its doors before Confession. I could do more than I do and I should do more than I do. I am comfortable speaking of what I do and don't do, and I believe it is important to open oneself to criticism.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

That's a false statement and you should repent for making it. I play on my phone when I'm giving blood and even between moments teaching religious ed. I don't help at soup kitchens, but maybe I should. Right now I'm waiting for the Church to open its doors before Confession.

What's a false statement? You constantly like to tell us that you do more good deeds than us.

 

[MikeK]

When did the Catholic Church ever say that? And are you saying you think that Pope St. Pius X was wrong for saying that the conditions were ripe for the possibility that the Antichrist could be in the world without naming who he thought it might be?

Christ says we should live our neighbors as ourselves. You, given your interest in the topic, clearly wish to know the identity of the Antichrist. You want this so badly that you have given your will consent to consider the matter, to form an opinion, and to even apply a confidence level to that opinion. Treat your neighbor as you would yourself.

Of course I am not disagreeing with Pope Pius X, I am disagreeing with you. I trust that if the good Saint were 999/1000 certain that he knew the identity of the Antichrist, he would have shared it. He loved us.

 

[benedictaoo]

question on the Fatima secret, please.

i haven't seen it yet, so this question might be answered by your link.
but how do we know that what the Vatican has released is the true text?

I'm going to go get the link. I have to change computers. I don't know what you mean by how do we know the Vatican released the true text? I don't think the Vatican lies to us. The children were given visions of historical events that has already taken place. Those are the secrets of Fatima.

 

[MikeK]

What's a false statement?

That posting on a webforum cannot happen concurrently with service to Christ and neighbor.

You constantly like to tell us that you do more good deeds than us.

Here is another false statement. I challenge you to show where I "constantly" tell anyone that I do more good deeds than they do. You should really stop making false statements, for the good of your soul.

 

[pdudgeon]

That's a false statement and you should repent for making it. I play on my phone when I'm giving blood (even though I loathe needles) and even between moments teaching religious ed. I don't help at soup kitchens, but maybe I should. Right now I'm waiting for the Church to open its doors before Confession. I could do more than I do and I should do more than I do. I am comfortable speaking of what I do and don't do, and I believe it is important to open oneself to criticism.

if you were to open yourself to criticism what would you learn?
better to open oneself to instruction,
that you might learn what is right and true and just and holy.

take those precepts in, do them and learn from them in humility, and show yourself approved;
not criticised.

 

[pdudgeon]

I'm going to go get the link. I have to change computers. I don't know what you mean by how do we know the Vatican released the true text? I don't think the Vatican lies to us. The children were given visions of historical events that has already taken place. Those are the secrets of Fatima.

i asked because there was talk that the Vatican might not release the whole text.

 

[benedictaoo]

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...on_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html

Y'all,please read. I think perhaps everything may have already occurred which may mean we just may be at the beginning of the end.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Of course I am not disagreeing with Pope Pius X, I am disagreeing with you. I trust that if the good Saint were 999/1000 certain that he knew the identity of the Antichrist, he would have shared it. He loved us.

Popes are not reckless. That's why Pope St. Pius X said that the conditions were ripe for the Antichrist to be here but did not name who he thought he might be. And that's why I'm not going do it publicly either. The figure I gave to you was an estimation of my subjective feelings on the matter. It was never intended to be an exact measurement.

 

[seekingsolace]

That posting on a webforum cannot happen concurrently with service to Christ and neighbor.

The point is: would the time you are using to post in this thread, be of more use in what you deem more edifying?

It is fine not to agree with another. Persistently opposing and scoffing at another member for (what seems to be) no other reason than self satisfaction is not.

I respect as mature Christians we can all make our own decisions.

 

[benedictaoo]

Your wasting your energy. He's just going to say "Bad things have happened before, and people have been wrong before."

Okay, okay, okay, but there is a context here we have to be able to organize our thoughts. Authoritatively it's been said the 20th century is the worse. I don't know if this third millennium is the beginning of the end or what. The 20th century may well have been the small apostasy that comes before the conversion that takes into the end. I'm I the only one who feels this is fruitless because none of us know. There's a reason all our popes do not speak about any of this. The focus is supossed to be on spreading the message of repentance and God's mercy. The children were shown hell and that is meant for all ages to take this seriously. Sin sends us to hell.

 

[MikeK]

Popes are not reckless. That's why Pope St. Pius X said that the conditions were ripe for the Antichrist to be here but did not name who he thought he might be. And that's why I'm not going do it publicly either. The figure I gave to you was an estimation of my subjective feelings on the matter. It was never intended to be an exact measurement.

Oh, so you're not relatively certain you know who the Antichrist is? Why didn't you just say so? Pope Pius didn't know either, and that's why he didn't claim, vaguely or otherwise, to have that knowledge.

Unsubscribing

 

[benedictaoo]

i asked because there was talk that the Vatican might not release the whole text.

read it and you'll understand

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Okay, okay, okay, but there is a context here we have to be able to organize our thoughts. Authoritatively it's been said the 20th century is the worse. I don't know if this third millennium is the beginning of the end or what. The 20th century may well have been the small apostasy that comes before the conversion that takes into the end. I'm I the only one who feels this is fruitless because none of us know. There's a reason all our popes do not speak about any of this. The focus is supossed to be on spreading the message of repentance and God's mercy. The children were shown hell and that is meant for all ages to take this seriously. Sin sends us to hell.

I think the Protestant revolution was the small apostasy since it only rejected the Church. But modern philosophy, the legacy of the so-called "Enlightenment," rejects God either outright or in a deceitful way by trying to redefine "God" to mean something other than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For example, some modernists will say that they believe in "God," but they define "God" as being nothing more than an idea created in our minds. Other modernists define "God" in a pantheistic way as having nothing to do with the supernatural and being nothing more than an impersonal power or force of the material world. In other words, they are worshiping God's creation and calling it "God". Modernism redefined truth, and "postmodernism" says that truth does not exist or says that it's not knowable. So that's why I think the modern world is in the big apostasy. And Pope St. Pius X thought so, too. Even a lot of people who identify as "Christian" or as "Catholic" these days are in reality atheistic humanists who believe that the only important thing is the present material world.

 

[benedictaoo]

I think the Protestant revolution was the small apostasy since it only rejected the Church. But modern philosophy, the legacy of the so-called "Enlightenment," rejects God either outright or in a deceptive way by trying to redefine "God" to mean something other than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For example, some modernists will say that they believe in "God" but they define "God" as being nothing more than an idea created in our minds. Other modernists define "God" in a pantheistic way as having nothing to do with the supernatural and being nothing more than an impersonal power or force of the material world. So that's why I think the modern world is in the big apostasy. And Pope St. Pius X thought so, too. Even a lot of people who identify as "Christian" or as "Catholic" these days are in reality atheistic humanists who believe that the only important thing is the present material world.

I think that opinion contradicts. You ever hear of pope Leo having a vision of sorts where Satan said to Jesus that he can bring the Church down and Jesus said He'll give him the 20th century to try? I do believe the end of the 20th century is something significant. Russian communism was the atheistic age, the apostacy, nations turning from God. I really don't know what to make of this age. Fatima does shed much light on this and the fact that serious destruction has been diverted by JP consecration the world to Mary. Read the link. Mary's intervention in history saved us from serious bad stuff happening.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I think that opinion contradicts. You ever hear of pope Leo having a vision of sorts where Satan said to Jesus that he can bring the Church down and Jesus said He'll give him the 20th century to try? I do believe the end of the 20th century is something significant. Russian communism was the atheistic age, the apostacy, nations turning from God. I really don't know what to make of this age. Fatima does shed much light on this and the fact that serious destruction has been diverted by JP consecration the world to Mary. Read the link. Mary's intervention in history saved us from serious bad stuff happening.

Russia and the United States traded places with the error of socialism. And it has spread to nearly all western nations.

 

[seekingsolace]

I'm not up to date, correct me if I am wrong please.

Fatima is an approved apparition but Catholics are not obliged to believe in it?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I'm not up to date, correct me if I am wrong please.

Fatima is an approved apparition but Catholics are not obliged to believe in it?

We aren't required to believe in it, but there's no reason for Catholics to reject it. It's one of the most widely accepted of Church-approved Catholic private revelations, and the Fatima prayer is even a standard part of the Rosary.