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"Embedded Age" Requires Fake Fossils

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RickG

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Because only God can create life. Of course, this represents my personal unscientific opinion.

BTW, if experts were to succeed in designing life from non-living matter, it would be evidence that life is the result of careful DESIGN. This would be a terrible blow to those who deny DESIGN IN NATURE.
I think that would have a lot to do with how one interprets what "design in nature" is. From a scientific point of view, we can begin with atomic structure of each element from which we can identify different isotopes of the same element. Each of these isotopes have their own physical properties and react with other isotopes in various but specific predictable ways under specific environmental conditions. This is how we get specific molecules and crystalline forms and symmetry we see in nature.
 
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This is not accurate. Scientists have attempted to explain the origin of life, but have failed:

Miller/Urey Experiment
“By the 1950s, scientists were in hot pursuit of the origin of life. Around the world, the scientific community was examining what kind of environment would be needed to allow life to begin. In 1953, Stanley L. Miller and Harold C. Urey, working at the University of Chicago, conducted an experiment which would change the approach of scientific investigation into the origin of life. …”

Ref.: http://people.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/Exobiology/miller.html

That is not evolution. Every experiment done by science does not automatically fall under the category of evolution. Good job ignoring the majority of my post in both responses.
 
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What if I can't to the satisfaction of the readers?

Does that give them license to water-down what we hold sacred, while at the same time harp on we misusing their terms?

You could start by explaining why you oppose using those other terms and why they should use the ones you think are right.
 
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You could start by explaining why you oppose using those other terms and why they should use the ones you think are right.
In the post that started this conversation, didn't you say this:
If we were having a discussion about the subject matter of your qualifications or books you'd want us to use the correct words.
Do you stand by that comment?
 
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In the post that started this conversation, didn't you say this Do you stand by that comment?

Of course I do. I was merely asking question to help those who would use 'magic' instead of 'miracle' etc to understand why you have a problem with it. If you can perhaps explain what the difference is people will be more inclined to use the latter instead of the former.
 
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Of course I do. I was merely asking question to help those who would use 'magic' instead of 'miracle' etc to understand why you have a problem with it.
Why don't you ask them why they plutoed the term in the first place?

But for the record, I'm not going to beg for respect.

I wouldn't want to place a burden on some they can't handle.

I'm just saying that door swings both ways.

At least I'm willing to use their terms -- to a point.

Even calling the Ark a TARDIS booth and taking ridicule for it.
 
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Read the story of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. He asked God to deliver him from the cruel treatment his enemies were planning for him, but he added: “Your will be done.” Can you explain this to me? Did not Jesus predict that his followers would be killed as martyrs?

Throughout his life, Jesus was protected from danger until he completed his mission on earth. Then the time came to suffer for God’s cause. If God were to intervene on behalf of his followers in every instance, the character of the Devil would never be revealed to the world and to the universe!
You cut off my question to make it appear I was asking what I was not.

Let's try again. So, God is really concerned about your car starting, but not his people suffering? Yes or no, please.
 
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Why don't you ask them why they plutoed the term in the first place?

But for the record, I'm not going to beg for respect.

Not going to earn it, either.

At least I'm willing to use their terms -- to a point.

Even calling the Ark a TARDIS booth and taking ridicule for it.

That's not why they ridicule you.
 
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Read the story of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. He asked God to deliver him from the cruel treatment his enemies were planning for him, but he added: “Your will be done.” Can you explain this to me? Did not Jesus predict that his followers would be killed as martyrs?
He said no such thing, someone else wrote that in the bible without ever having seen, met or even heard Jesus speak.
Throughout his life, Jesus was protected from danger until he completed his mission on earth. Then the time came to suffer for God’s cause. If God were to intervene on behalf of his followers in every instance, the character of the Devil would never be revealed to the world and to the universe!
No he was not, if you read that in the bible then all you know for sure is that someone else wrote it when they heard stories that had been circulating for centuries before about a dozen other gods.
 
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From a scientific point of view, we can begin with atomic structure of each element from which we can identify different isotopes of the same element.
The atomic structure shows evidence of design. Someone is responsible for said design.
 
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That is not evolution. Every experiment done by science does not automatically fall under the category of evolution.

From soup to cells — the origin of life

“Evolution encompasses a wide range of phenomena: from the emergence of major lineages, to mass extinctions, to the evolution of antibiotic resistant bacteria in hospitals today. However, within the field of evolutionary biology, the origin of life is of special interest because it addresses the fundamental question of where we (and all living things) came from. …”

Ref.: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/side_0_0/origsoflife_01

If tomorrow experts were to succeed in creating life from non-living matter, would you still argue that the origin of life is not an integral part of the theory of evolution?
 
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So, God is really concerned about your car starting, but not his people suffering? Yes or no, please.

God is concerned with everything that happens in his universe, but he does have some priorities. Said priorities may not coincide with our human preferences.

God was extremely concerned about the terribly unjust suffering of his own Son, but did allow for it to take place in order that the love of God would be contrasted with the murderous character of his arch enemy: the Devil.

This action of his eventually nailed the coffin of the cruel Roman Empire. Millions have chosen to side with God instead of the Devil.
 
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God is concerned with everything that happens in his universe, but he does have some priorities. Said priorities may not coincide with our human preferences.

God was extremely concerned about the terribly unjust suffering of his own Son, but did allow for it to take place in order that the love of God would be contrasted with the murderous character of his arch enemy: the Devil.

This action of his eventually nailed the coffin of the cruel Roman Empire. Millions have chosen to side with God instead of the Devil.

I wish this God would do something about the 9 million children that die each year before the age of five. Think of the unanswered prayers and the suffering these children go through.

But, your car started.
 
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He said no such thing, someone else wrote that in the bible without ever having seen, met or even heard Jesus speak.
Where is the historical testimony of the deniers? All we have is the testimony of those who lived close to the events recorded in the Gospels.
 
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Where is the historical testimony of the deniers? All we have is the testimony of those who lived close to the events recorded in the Gospels.
Close to the event is right about 50 to 90 years close, if that's close enough for you then go for it, I'm thinking it would be close enough for you at 500 years.
 
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You still attempting to cast yourself in the role of victim of evil psychiatrists?
What is the heart of determining what is good or evil? Jesus! Do the drug pushing head pickers measure up?
 
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I wish this God would do something about the 9 million children that die each year before the age of five.
How about the ones that die before they're born?

Should He start there?
 
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How about the ones that die before they're born?

Should He start there?
Good point. If they destroy something like (depending on the numbers we cite) 42 plus million babies each year, that seems to be more than 4 times as many as die young by the poster's numbers. Now if we take away drone strikes and war and automobile accidents etc...the number would go down, no doubt. Of the remaining kids that die, probably a lot of that is due to the sin of greed, where they starve while the rich gorge themselves...or have no basic medicines and water etc while the rich have sex change operations and liposuction etc..
 
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No he was not, if you read that in the bible then all you know for sure is that someone else wrote it when they heard stories that had been circulating for centuries before about a dozen other gods.

“Were the Gospels written by eyewitnesses as they claim, or were they written centuries later? The historical facts appear to make a strong case for a first century date.

Jesus' ministry was from A.D. 27-30. Noted New Testament scholar, F.F. Bruce, gives strong evidence that the New Testament was completed by A.D. 100.3 Most writings of the New Testament works were completed twenty to forty years before this. The Gospels are dated traditionally as follows: Mark is believed to be the first gospel written around A.D. 60. Matthew and Luke follow and are written between A.D. 60-70; John is the final gospel, written between A.D. 90-100.

The internal evidence supports these early dates for several reasons. The first three Gospels prophesied the fall of the Jerusalem Temple which occurred in A.D. 70. However, the fulfillment is not mentioned. It is strange that these three Gospels predict this major event but do not record it happening. Why do they not mention such an important prophetic milestone? The most plausible explanation is that it had not yet occurred at the time Matthew, Mark, and Luke were written.

In the book of Acts, the Temple plays a central role in the nation of Israel. Luke writes as if the Temple is an important part of Jewish life. He also ends Acts on a strange note: Paul living under house arrest. It is strange that Luke does not record the death of his two chief characters, Peter and Paul. The most plausible reason for this is that Luke finished writing Acts before Peter and Paul's martyrdom in A.D. 64. A significant point to highlight is that the Gospel of Luke precedes Acts, further supporting the traditional dating of A.D. 60. Furthermore, most scholars agree Mark precedes Luke, making Mark's Gospel even earlier.

Finally, the majority of New Testament scholars believe that Paul's epistles are written from A.D. 48-60. Paul's outline of the life of Jesus matches that of the Gospels. 1 Corinthians is one of the least disputed books regarding its dating and Pauline authorship. In chapter 15, Paul summarizes the gospel and reinforces the premise that this is the same gospel preached by the apostles.

Even more compelling is that Paul quotes from Luke's Gospel in 1 Timothy 5:18, showing us that Luke's Gospel was indeed completed in Paul's lifetime. This would move up the time of the completion of Luke's Gospel along with Mark and Matthew.

The internal evidence presents a strong case for the early dating of the Gospels. …

A final piece of evidence comes from the Dead Sea Scrolls Cave 7. Jose Callahan discovered a fragment of the Gospel of Mark and dated it to have been written in A.D. 50. He also discovered fragments of Acts and other epistles and dated them to have been written slightly after A.D. 50.4

Another line of evidence is the writings of the church fathers. Clement of Rome sent a letter to the Corinthian church in A.D. 95. in which he quoted from the Gospels and other portions of the N.T. Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, wrote a letter before his martyrdom in Rome in A.D. 115, quoting all the Gospels and other N.T. letters. Polycarp wrote to the Philippians in A.D. 120 and quoted from the Gospels and N.T. letters. Justin Martyr (A.D. 150) quotes John 3. Church fathers of the early second century were familiar with the apostle's writings and quoted them as inspired Scripture. …”

I hope this helps! If still in doubt, read the entire article!

Ref.: https://bible.org/article/historical-reliability-gospels
 
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