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"Embedded Age" Requires Fake Fossils

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It is best not to indulge it.
Nice and vague.

Unlike your very-specific cutoff age, suddenly you're starting to talk vague.

What exactly do you mean by 'not to indulge it'?

Do you mean "never bring it up"?

Or do you mean to suddenly go mute in discussing it, on the child's sixth birthday?

And what do you mean by 'best not to indulge it'?

Is there a second best -- an alternative?
 
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Nice and vague.

Unlike your very-specific cutoff age, suddenly you're starting to talk vague.

What exactly did you mean by 'not to indulge it'?

Do you mean "never bring it up"?

Or do you mean to suddenly go mute in discussing it, on the child's sixth birthday?
You're taking this very hard, AV1611VET. Am I right in assuming that we are revisiting some primal traumatic experience for you?
 
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The short answer is we pick none of them because all any of them do is damage the brain,
Can you back that up with MRIs and/or computerized tomographies?

Or are you just making an unprofessional value judgment?
 
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Not at all.

You guys' ... irony ... is easy to expose.

But not quite as easy, it seems, as it is to expose your desperation to cast yourself as a victim. Why would that be do you think? What psychological need is being being satisfied by that role? What happened to you to make you seek out that position? Hmm?
 
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But not quite as easy, it seems, as it is to expose your desperation to cast yourself as a victim. Why would that be do you think? What psychological need is being being satisfied by that role? What happened to you to make you seek out that position? Hmm?
Nice try/won't work.

I would think you would have written me off as a "lost cause," since I turned 6 years old 55 years ago.

But for some reason, you'd rather discuss the patients, and not the cures.

I take it you're better at diagnosing peoples' problems, than you are at finding cures?

And I still can't tell if you're advocating {censorship from birth} or {going mute at six years old}?

You seem to have been on to something there -- until I asked for specifics.
 
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Nice try/won't work.

I would think you would have written me off as a "lost cause," since I turned 6 years old 55 years ago.

But for some reason, you'd rather discuss the patients, and not the cures.

I take it you're better at diagnosing peoples' problems, than you are at finding cures?

And I still can't tell if you're advocating {censorship from birth} or {going mute at six years old}?

You seem to have been on to something there -- until I asked for specifics.

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of not indulging certain behaviour in children?
 
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Are you unaware of the concept of not indulging certain behaviour in children?
Here we go again with vagarities.

What do you [suddenly] mean by 'indulging certain behaviour'?

Teaching children about God?

And what do you [suddenly] mean by 'children'?

1 to 5 year olds, or 6 year olds and up?

I'm having trouble telling if you're advocating censorship or muting.
 
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Here we go again with vagarities.

What do you [suddenly] mean by 'indulging certain behaviour'?

Not indulging means not encouraging, not pandering to, not actively engaging in promoting. If your child likes to sulk or throw a tantrum when they don't get what they want you do not indulge that behaviour by then giving them what they want.

Teaching children about God?

Teaching them about religion is fine.

And what do you [suddenly] mean by 'children'?

Those small people who run around a lot. You must have seen them.

1 to 5 year olds, or 6 year olds and up?

I'm sure you are capable of making your own estimate as to when a child should be outgrowing childish behaviour. In the case of having invisible friends I personally would say after the age of 5 you should stop indulging it. Other people may say 6,7 or older.

I'm having trouble telling if you're advocating censorship or muting

Neither. The phase will pass eventually of its own accord, as long as it's not indulged.
 
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In the case of having invisible friends I personally would say after the age of 5 you should stop indulging it. Other people may say 6,7 or older.
Then ... for the second time ... what of these churches that dot the land?

Are they indulging in this behavior?

What is your suggestion as to what should be done with them?
 
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Then ... for the second time ... what of these churches that dot the land?

Are they indulging in this behavior?

What is your suggestion as to what should be done with them?

Um, that's an intriguing question. Larkin wrote a poem where he muses on the topic :

Philip Larkin - Church Going
Once I am sure there's nothing going on
I step inside, letting the door thud shut.
Another church: matting, seats, and stone,
And little books; sprawlings of flowers, cut
For Sunday, brownish now; some brass and stuff
Up at the holy end; the small neat organ;
And a tense, musty, unignorable silence,
Brewed God knows how long. Hatless, I take off
My cycle-clips in awkward reverence.

Move forward, run my hand around the font.
From where I stand, the roof looks almost new -
Cleaned, or restored? Someone would know: I don't.
Mounting the lectern, I peruse a few
Hectoring large-scale verses, and pronounce
'Here endeth' much more loudly than I'd meant.
The echoes snigger briefly. Back at the door
I sign the book, donate an Irish sixpence,
Reflect the place was not worth stopping for.

Yet stop I did: in fact I often do,
And always end much at a loss like this,
Wondering what to look for; wondering, too,
When churches will fall completely out of use
What we shall turn them into, if we shall keep
A few cathedrals chronically on show,
Their parchment, plate and pyx in locked cases,
And let the rest rent-free to rain and sheep.
Shall we avoid them as unlucky places?

Or, after dark, will dubious women come
To make their children touch a particular stone;
Pick simples for a cancer; or on some
Advised night see walking a dead one?
Power of some sort will go on
In games, in riddles, seemingly at random;
But superstition, like belief, must die,
And what remains when disbelief has gone?
Grass, weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky,

A shape less recognisable each week,
A purpose more obscure. I wonder who
Will be the last, the very last, to seek
This place for what it was; one of the crew
That tap and jot and know what rood-lofts were?
Some ruin-bibber, randy for antique,
Or Christmas-addict, counting on a whiff
Of gown-and-bands and organ-pipes and myrrh?
Or will he be my representative,

Bored, uninformed, knowing the ghostly silt
Dispersed, yet tending to this cross of ground
Through suburb scrub because it held unspilt
So long and equably what since is found
Only in separation - marriage, and birth,
And death, and thoughts of these - for which was built
This special shell? For, though I've no idea
What this accoutred frowsty barn is worth,
It pleases me to stand in silence here;

A serious house on serious earth it is,
In whose blent air all our compulsions meet,
Are recognized, and robed as destinies.
And that much never can be obsolete,
Since someone will forever be surprising
A hunger in himself to be more serious,
And gravitating with it to this ground,
Which, he once heard, was proper to grow wise in,
If only that so many dead lie round.

That was written over 60 years ago in England.

But, no, I attended a school where we had chapel once a week for 7 years and I never once came away with the idea that I was supposed to be having relationship with an invisible friend.
 
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But, no, I attended a school where we had chapel once a week for 7 years and I never once came away with the idea that I was supposed to be having relationship with an invisible friend.
School is one thing ... church is another.
 
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Can you back that up with MRIs and/or computerized tomographies?

Or are you just making an unprofessional value judgment?
Were the people who flew those plane into the towers sane and thinking straight or had their brains been damaged by their religion?
 
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Where the people who flew those plane into the towers sane and thinking straight or had their brains been damaged by their religion?

IMO, a disordered psyche is not directly caused by religion, but certain religious beliefs can be attractive, to the disordered psyche.
 
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Where the people who flew those plane into the towers sane and thinking straight or had their brains been damaged by their religion?
They were sane and thinking straight; albeit blinded by Satan.

I'm tired of hearing from the press how these guys were "radical Muslims."

A "radical Muslim," to me, is one who helps little old ladies across the street and supports the Salvation Army.

It's interesting that, when Salman Rushdie wrote Satanic Verses and had a price put on his head, Cat "Peace Train" Stevens supported it.
 
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Now to circle around to the beginning of your post, evolution does not deal with where life came from.

This is not accurate. Scientists have attempted to explain the origin of life, but have failed:

Miller/Urey Experiment
“By the 1950s, scientists were in hot pursuit of the origin of life. Around the world, the scientific community was examining what kind of environment would be needed to allow life to begin. In 1953, Stanley L. Miller and Harold C. Urey, working at the University of Chicago, conducted an experiment which would change the approach of scientific investigation into the origin of life. …”

Ref.: http://people.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/Exobiology/miller.html
 
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Because only God can create life. Of course, this represents my personal unscientific opinion.

BTW, if experts were to succeed in designing life from non-living matter, it would be evidence that life is the result of careful DESIGN. This would be a terrible blow to those who deny DESIGN IN NATURE.
 
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Because only God can create life. Of course, this represents my personal unscientific opinion.

BTW, if experts were to succeed in designing life from non-living matter, it would be evidence that life is the result of careful DESIGN. This would be a terrible blow to those who deny DESIGN IN NATURE.

You have yourself covered either way then, good for you.
 
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