Elon Musk prepared to ‘go to war’ with Apple over moderation demands

[stevil]

No. The US has a representative government. We elect people to represent us. That makes us a republic. In a democracy, everyone directly votes on every issue and every piece of legislation.

There isn't and has never been a country on earth where the public vote on each and every item. You would forever be having referendums, like 10 times a day, every day. That is not practically possible.

Democracies come in various flavours.
The USA Republic is a republican democracy

Democratic republic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A democratic republic is a form of government operating on principles adopted from a republic and a democracy. As a cross between two exceedingly similar systems, democratic republics may function on principles shared by both republics and democracies.

While not all democracies are republics (constitutional monarchies) and not all republics are democracies, common definitions of the terms democracy and republic often feature overlapping concerns, suggesting that many democracies function as republics, and many republics operate on democratic principles

Eugene Volokh of the UCLA School of Law notes that the United States exemplifies the varied nature of a constitutional republic—a country where some decisions (often local) are made by direct democratic processes, while others (often federal) are made by democratically elected representatives

 

[stevil]

Communist Manifesto - All Ten Planks ... In America!!!

www.criminalgovernment.com

Well anyone can post garbage on the internet. That horribly formated page is not proof that USA is a Communist country.
Quite frankly that page is just far right wing propaganda nonsense.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Justice Potter Stewart famously said it in his concurrence in Jacobellis v Ohio. The context is that it's hard to define what would constitute illegal obscenity, "But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."

Interesting....thanks.

Apple has standards for the content it allows on its platform. Apple will know it when they see something they don't want.

Apatently they're cool with some strange stuff.

Apple is a private company. They can do as they please....can't they?

Sure, I just don't see the financial incentive. Why would Apple care if it brought more users and money?

They did the exact same thing with Parler. There are actually two Parler experiences. Parler on iOS sees less than general Parler, again due to Apple's requirements.

Fun.

 

[stevil]

What makes this right wing propaganda? I hold basically the same view of the right.

It's propoganda because it isn't true. If you want to know what the left want, then ask them rather than tell them.
Although they want universal healthcare, this does not mean that they want a socialist system of economics. In fact, the Democrats want a capitalistic system of economics.

I don't see what your failed attempt at describing the Senate and House have to do with anything. It's a Republican house....

You aren't exactly doing a great job of disproving my point.

LOL, they won the House due to the mid term election, but they don't take it over straight away. They don't take over the house for another 5-6 weeks. At the moment the House is currently controlled by the Democrats.

 

[stevil]

Sure but the idea that we need no regulation is interestingly the typical right wing position....and it's funny to see sides flip so quickly once there's a perceived change in power.

Well, I am right wing, albiet centre right.
I accept that laws are necessary (I'm not an anarchist) and so even private enterprises need to conform to the law.
Although I agree with government intervening in monopolies and duopolies etc to avoid them fixing or hiking prices, and to avoid them doing anti business practices in order to put competition out of business.

I would say that Elon Musk can even make twitter a right wing propaganda platform if he wants. He can shut down left talking points, he can put a megaphone on right wing talking points, it's all upto him. Of course, if those right wing talking points are all about discrimination, and inciting violence then it is likely twitter will lose significant advertising revenue, so that will factor into it too.

 

[stevil]

It sounds like you are incredibly I'll informed.

Either that, or I am not fooled by the garbage that Tucker spews on tv.

 

[HARK!]

Well anyone can post garbage on the internet. That horribly formated page is not proof that USA is a Communist country.
Quite frankly that page is just far right wing propaganda nonsense.

I noticed that you failed to refute even one point, threw in a red herring, an ad hominem, and voila, a failed logical argument.

 

[stevil]

I noticed that you failed to refute even one point, threw in a red herring, an ad hominem, and voila, a failed logical argument.

An article like that is not worth attention.
It's nonsense.
For example just the first "plank"
Abolition of property in land and the application of all rents of land to public purposes
Are you claiming that USA people can't own property????
What has changed since Trump left office and Biden came into power? Has the government taken away everyone's property?

The article is absolute nonsense.

 

[rjs330]

Either that, or I am not fooled by the garbage that Tucker spews on tv.

Lol I don't watch Tucker Carlson. The only time I ever hear about him is when you leftists denigrate him for something he said.

What you are is ill informed about what's going on. If you were really right center you would be appauled about what's happening to kids these days.

 

[stevil]

Lol I don't watch Tucker Carlson. The only time I ever hear about him is when you leftists denigrate him for something he said.

What you are is ill informed about what's going on. If you were really right center you would be appauled about what's happening to kids these days.

I am not from USA, and I am not religious, so I don't get caught up in these extremely socially conservative and religious based culture wars.
I personally have no problems with calling someone by the pronouns that they request.
I personally have no problems with people deciding for themselves whether they want to have gender reassignment treatment.
I think the government and prudish public should simply mind their own business. I am all for small government, not a Nanny state.

 

[Tuur]

There isn't and has never been a country on earth where the public vote on each and every item. You would forever be having referendums, like 10 times a day, every day. That is not practically possible.

The city state of Athen, Greece did just that.

 

[rjs330]

I am not from USA, and I am not religious, so I don't get caught up in these extremely socially conservative and religious based culture wars.
I personally have no problems with calling someone by the pronouns that they request.
I personally have no problems with people deciding for themselves whether they want to have gender reassignment treatment.
I think the government and prudish public should simply mind their own business. I am all for small government, not a Nanny state.

Are you for chemically castrating and physically chopping of children's body parts? If you are either for that or ambivalent about that then you need to re-evaluate your Nanny state stance because one of the states responsibilities should be protecting children.

 

[stevil]

Are you for chemically castrating and physically chopping of children's body parts? If you are either for that or ambivalent about that then you need to re-evaluate your Nanny state stance because one of the states responsibilities should be protecting children.

What are the laws and practices in USA that you are talking about?
Are you able to provide references?

I did a search on chemical castration in USA and I found this

Chemical Castration in The United States: What You Need to Know!

Alabama new chemical castration law has stirred up a lot of controversy, but they're not the only ones with those type of laws on the books!

www.sexcrimeattorneys.com

But that article is about forced castration on convicted sex offenders, I am sure you are not talking about this.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Pretty sure it is against the rules here to complain about the forum's moderation policy.

Not the moderation policies of other forums, though, surely?

 

[rjs330]

What are the laws and practices in USA that you are talking about?
Are you able to provide references?

I did a search on chemical castration in USA and I found this

Chemical Castration in The United States: What You Need to Know!

Alabama new chemical castration law has stirred up a lot of controversy, but they're not the only ones with those type of laws on the books!

www.sexcrimeattorneys.com

But that article is about forced castration on convicted sex offenders, I am sure you are not talking about this.

No I'm talking about the drugs pushed upon teens who are suffering from gender confusion and dysphoria. The drugs given to them can chemically castrate them so they can never have kids. Children are being abused by the transgender activists.

These puberty blocking drugs are the same one given to sex offenders for chemical castration. They are also give to men who are terminally ill. And now they are given to kids?

Yes this is what the left is involved in. Also a hospital was caught on video admitting that one of the main reasons it would be good for them to do tans surgeries in kids is because of all the money they will make. Not just on the original but also on all the long term care that will be needed by the kid.

This is what's happening to children and it needs to be stopped. Just recently Vanderbilt stopped it's trans surgeries on kids due to their work coming to light.

 

[stevil]

No I'm talking about the drugs pushed upon teens who are suffering from gender confusion and dysphoria. The drugs given to them can chemically castrate them so they can never have kids. Children are being abused by the transgender activists.

These puberty blocking drugs are the same one given to sex offenders for chemical castration. They are also give to men who are terminally ill. And now they are given to kids?

Yes this is what the left is involved in. Also a hospital was caught on video admitting that one of the main reasons it would be good for them to do tans surgeries in kids is because of all the money they will make. Not just on the original but also on all the long term care that will be needed by the kid.

This is what's happening to children and it needs to be stopped. Just recently Vanderbilt stopped it's trans surgeries on kids due to their work coming to light.

Seems like a lot of half truths here, mixed in with conspiracy nonsense.
How old are these kids?
Are they and the parents consenting to the treatments? Are they seeking and requesting the treatments?
Are they aware of the side effects?

No, young children cannot take hormones, change their sex

Misinformation about medical treatments for transgender patients has proliferated in recent weeks, as a spate of events

www.politifact.com

Misinformation about medical treatments for transgender patients has proliferated in recent weeks, as a spate of events brought transgender rights into the spotlight.

Professional organizations such as the Endocrine Society recommend against puberty blockers for children who have not reached puberty, and recommend that patients be at least 16 years old before beginning hormone treatments for feminization or masculinization of the body. The last step in transitioning to another gender, gender reassignment surgery, is only available to those 18 and older in the United States.
The onset of puberty is the baseline for medical intervention. Puberty typically occurs between ages 10 and 14 for girls and 12 and 16 for boys.

It's interesting to read through the article because clearly this is a matter which has included much medical expertise and research and is a topic that is supported by medical experts. Nowhere in the article does it state this as being a political left vs political right thing.

Is this yet again, a movement on the political right of them trying to go against the established medical profession and experts and instead going with Fox news Opinion show hosts and other equally uneducated and unsuitable personalities that know nothing about medical health. Yet again, the "right" fabricating stuff to create a culture war, and falsely painting it as left vs right, when in fact it seems to be some right vs science and medical experts.

 

[KCfromNC]

Not the moderation policies of other forums, though, surely?

Why would there be a difference, other than this forum tends to agree with certain specific opinions on various topics?

 

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[rjs330]

Seems like a lot of half truths here, mixed in with conspiracy nonsense.
How old are these kids?
Are they and the parents consenting to the treatments? Are they seeking and requesting the treatments?
Are they aware of the side effects?

No, young children cannot take hormones, change their sex

Misinformation about medical treatments for transgender patients has proliferated in recent weeks, as a spate of events

www.politifact.com

Misinformation about medical treatments for transgender patients has proliferated in recent weeks, as a spate of events brought transgender rights into the spotlight.

Professional organizations such as the Endocrine Society recommend against puberty blockers for children who have not reached puberty, and recommend that patients be at least 16 years old before beginning hormone treatments for feminization or masculinization of the body. The last step in transitioning to another gender, gender reassignment surgery, is only available to those 18 and older in the United States.
The onset of puberty is the baseline for medical intervention. Puberty typically occurs between ages 10 and 14 for girls and 12 and 16 for boys.

It's interesting to read through the article because clearly this is a matter which has included much medical expertise and research and is a topic that is supported by medical experts. Nowhere in the article does it state this as being a political left vs political right thing.

Is this yet again, a movement on the political right of them trying to go against the established medical profession and experts and instead going with Fox news Opinion show hosts and other equally uneducated and unsuitable personalities that know nothing about medical health. Yet again, the "right" fabricating stuff to create a culture war, and falsely painting it as left vs right, when in fact it seems to be some right vs science and medical experts.

I'm not talking about 5 year olds. I'm talking about puberty blockers being given to kids 10-14 just like it says. Drugs that have not been FDA approved for them and drugs that are used to chemically castrate sex offenders.

There are other long term side effects. There are no long term studies on these drugs and their effect on kids. The so called experts are trans activists and doctors who stand to make a LOT of money on the trans kids gravy train. You need to do lots more research on this.

 

[stevil]

I'm not talking about 5 year olds. I'm talking about puberty blockers being given to kids 10-14 just like it says. Drugs that have not been FDA approved for them and drugs that are used to chemically castrate sex offenders.

There are other long term side effects. There are no long term studies on these drugs and their effect on kids. The so called experts are trans activists and doctors who stand to make a LOT of money on the trans kids gravy train. You need to do lots more research on this.

So your gripe is the access to puberty blockers. Parents and post pubescent teenagers seeking medical treatment is what you are equating to
"actively trying to trans kids and chemically castrate them and mutilate their bodies." It is a dishonest approach to discussing a topic. Why not simply say that you are concerned about use of puberty blockers? No wonder I couldn't find information when I searched based on what you were saying.

Yes it is when they are actively trying to trans kids and chemically castrate them and mutilate their bodies. Absolutely we should challenge that kind of insanity.

I do feel that some people when they hear stuff on media that concerns them (especially when they hear stuff from opinion show hosts) these people could easily quell their fears and actually could learn stuff by searching the internet and finding out what actually is happening.

It seems to me that no-one is being forced into being trans nor forced into gender reassignment treatments. It also seems to me that if there are side affects then I assume the parents and teenagers are being informed and hence making informed decisions.
In my view, people can make their own decisions. They don't need government, or "concerned citizens" to take their choices away.