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Ellen White: Inspired?

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1. You did not quote Ellen White saying James 5 :16 says "confess your sins to God alone" rather than "confess your sins one to another" -- I guess we all could see that point.

2. 1 John 1:9 IF we confess our sins HE IS faithful and just to forgive us our sins 1 John 1:9. That is a reference to "God alone"

Psalm 32:5
I acknowledged my sin to You,
And my iniquity I did not hide;
I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the Lord”;
And You forgave the guilt of my sin. Selah.

1 John 1:
... And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;

1 Advocate, one mediator
1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,


Ps 51:
Be gracious to me, God, according to Your faithfulness;
According to the greatness of Your compassion, wipe out my wrongdoings.
2 Wash me thoroughly from my guilt
And cleanse me from my sin.
3 For I know my wrongdoings,
And my sin is constantly before me.
4 Against You, You only, I have sinned
And done what is evil in Your sight,
So that You are justified when You speak
And blameless when You judge.


Bob, she says to confess to God alone and it is easier to confess to a human. The word of God says confess to another. In confessing to a preist, I am confessing to God by following His command. It is not easy to confess to a human and it does not give one license to sin as claimed by Ms White. She also says penance is a substitute for mortifying the deeds of the flesh. That is really an absurd analogy, as believers are moved to penance by sorrow for sin, as the scriptures I have shown you reveal.
For clarification SDA refers to all members of the seventh day Adventist denomination and those that follow Ms White as a prophet
The claim is made that she only presents the word of God. I have shown you that she contradicts it in her rant against the Catholic Church.
Confession and penance are biblical, opposing them is not
 
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In case you do not know who Ellen White was, she is one of the founders of the 7th Day Adventist Church and is often considered a prophet by this denomination. Her writings are considered inspired, but there is some debate within the church over what exactly that means in relation to the Bible.

I've been looking for a nuanced, unbiased discussion about White, and whether she is actually inspired.

What are your thoughts?
If we read scripture we see a pattern that anytime people would turn away from Truth, God would raise up a prophet or messenger and point them back to the teachings of the Word of God. This is what Ellen White did. Everything she taught was to bring light back to the Word of God- His scriptures. My suggestion would be to read some of her books- perhaps Desire of Ages or Great Controversy and make your own decision- uninspired messengers turns one away from the scriptures. Isaiah 8:20, don‘t let the scoffers sway your opinion, most in the days of the prophets, Jesus and the disciples many thought they were false prophets too, so much so, that they were crucified , stoned etc and those who did so all professed to be followers of God. Not much has changed- we are in a spiritual war and the devil is making war with those who believe and teach the commandments of God. Rev 12:17 KJV
 
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Ok SDA, I get it, you don’t like the Catholic Church and blame her for violating God’s law
That's just it, SDAs don't get it, and the good religious Catholics are not the only ones who forget that outside of the saving grace of Christ, they're in fallen a fallen state, transgressing divine law. (2:1-6)
Romans 2:4
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness, and patience, and longsuffering? Knowest thou not, that the benignity of God leadeth thee to penance?
{The love, mercy, and benignity of God brings us to a true repentance.
Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 2 Cor 3:15-16
 
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If we read scripture we see a pattern that anytime people would turn away from Truth, God would raise up a prophet or messenger and point them back to the teachings of the Word of God. This is what Ellen White did. Everything she taught was to bring light back to the Word of God- His scriptures. My suggestion would be to read some of her books- perhaps Desire of Ages or Great Controversy and make your own decision- uninspired messengers turns one away from the scriptures. Isaiah 8:20, don‘t let the scoffers sway your opinion, most in the days of the prophets, Jesus and the disciples many thought they were false prophets too, so much so, that they were crucified , stoned etc and those who did so all professed to be followers of God. Not much has changed- we are in a spiritual war and the devil is making war with those who believe and teach the commandments of God. Rev 12:17 KJV
The point is she contradicts the scripture she does not support it. Confession and penance are biblical, Ms White’s doctrine is not
 
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The point is she contradicts the scripture she does not support it. Confession and penance are biblical, Ms White’s doctrine is not
I think you might be confusing confessing sins with cleaning sins. Only Jesus can cleanse us from our sins and all unrighteousness, no human can do this. 1 John 1:9

Should we confess our sins to one another- sure- brother I am struggling with x y z. We need Christian encouragement and that's what this means, not to confess to an earthy priest to forgive sins, only Christ can forgive and cleanse sins.

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness Hebrews 9:22. Jesus is our High Priest and He alone paid the penalty of sins through His blood, we do not need an earthy mediator because Christ is the only Mediator needed between us and the Father. 1 Tim 2:5. You can place your trust on an earthy mediator but we should place our trust in Jesus Christ and He alone is all that is needed through our faith.

So there is no contradiction to what EGW teaches and the Word of God.

The RCC admits openly they do not follow scripture. Just a few quotes of so many....

Q. Have you any other proofs that they(Protestants) are not guided by the Scripture?
A. Yes; so many, that we cannot admit more than a mere specimen into this small work. They reject much that is clearly contained in Scripture, and profess more that is nowhere discoverable in that Divine Book.
Q. Give some examples of both?
A. They should, if the Scripture were their only rule, wash the feet of one another, according to the command of Christ, in the 13th chap. of St. John; —they should keep, not the Sunday, but the Saturday, according to the commandment, "Remember thou keep holy the SABBATH-day;" for this commandment has not, in Scripture, been changed or abrogated;...
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 101 Imprimatuer

All of us believe many things in regard to religion that we do not find in the Bible. For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath Day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the Church outside the Bible.
—The Catholic Virginian, To Tell You The Truth,” Vol. 22, No. 49 (Oct. 3, 1947).

Your church seems to acknowledge that SDA's are following the bible correctly....

The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.
—The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.
—Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

Statements from your own faith seem to be in opposition of what the Bible teaches. Scripture tells us if we go outside the bible for our teaching there is no light Isaiah 8:20 The Word of God is to be the light to our path Psalms 119:105 God's Word is pure and He is a shield to us until we start changing things Proverbs 30:5-6, All the reformers brought back a piece of bible Truth, EGW shines the light back on the Sabbath- God's holy day the one He claimed in His own Words Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 not the one man assigned to Him without any biblical authority that God said was made for work Exodus 20:9. Something we are warned not to do. Ezek 22:26
 
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I think you might be confusing confessing sins with cleaning sins. Only Jesus can cleanse us from our sins and all unrighteousness, no human can do this. 1 John 1:9

Should we confess our sins to one another- sure- brother I am struggling with x y z. We need Christian encouragement and that's what this means, not to confess to an earthy priest to forgive sins, only Christ can forgive and cleanse sins.

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness Hebrews 9:22. Jesus is our High Priest and He alone paid the penalty of sins through His blood, we do not need an earthy mediator because Christ is the only Mediator needed between us and the Father. 1 Tim 2:5. You can place your trust on an earthy mediator but I place my trust in Jesus Christ and He alone is all that is needed through our faith.

So there is no contradiction to what EGW teaches and the Word of God.

The RCC admits openly they do not follow scripture and seem to be proud of this fact. Just a few quotes of so many....

Q. Have you any other proofs that they(Protestants) are not guided by the Scripture?
A. Yes; so many, that we cannot admit more than a mere specimen into this small work. They reject much that is clearly contained in Scripture, and profess more that is nowhere discoverable in that Divine Book.
Q. Give some examples of both?
A. They should, if the Scripture were their only rule, wash the feet of one another, according to the command of Christ, in the 13th chap. of St. John; —they should keep, not the Sunday, but the Saturday, according to the commandment, "Remember thou keep holy the SABBATH-day;" for this commandment has not, in Scripture, been changed or abrogated;...
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 101 Imprimatuer

All of us believe many things in regard to religion that we do not find in the Bible. For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath Day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the Church outside the Bible.
—The Catholic Virginian, To Tell You The Truth,” Vol. 22, No. 49 (Oct. 3, 1947).

Your church seems to acknowledge that SDA's are following the bible correctly....

The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.
—The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.
—Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

Statements from your own faith seem to be in opposition of what the Bible teaches. Scripture tells us if we go outside the bible for our teaching there is no light Isaiah 8:20 The Word of God is to be the light to our path Psalms 119:105 God's Word is pure and He is a shield to us until we start changing things Proverbs 30:5-6, All the reformers brought back a piece of bible Truth, EGW shines the light back on the Sabbath- God's holy day the one He claimed in His own Words Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 not the one man assigned to Him without any biblical authority that God said was made for work Exodus 20:9. Something we are warned not to do. Ezek 22:26
That is not what Ms White said. She disparaged confessing to a person against the clear word of God, the she scoffed at penance against the word of God. Like I said, her zeal against the Catholic Church is too great, and this causes her to error. A prophet of God does not error, but speaks a clear word of truth. Ms White errored, she is not a prophet
 
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That is not what Ms White said. She disparaged confessing to a person against the clear word of God, the she scoffed at penance against the word of God. Like I said, her zeal against the Catholic Church is too great, and this causes her to error. A prophet of God does not error, but speaks a clear word of truth. Ms White errored, she is not a prophet
I think you may have misunderstood her, she is referring to forgiving and cleansing sins, only Jesus can do that according to the Word of God but we are all entitled to our opinions. When EGW speaks of the RCC she is not referring to people, but the institutions and teachings. God has people in all churches- he wants us to come out of our false teaching as we must worship Him in Truth and Spirit John 4:23-24

Ellen White makes no case against confessing our sins/faults to one another- which something completely different than confessing to Christ to be forgiven and cleansed when we have a change in heart.

Steps to Christ Chapter 4 Confession

"He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." Proverbs 28:13.

The conditions of obtaining mercy of God are simple and just and reasonable. The Lord does not require us to do some grievous thing in order that we may have the forgiveness of sin. We need not make long and wearisome pilgrimages, or perform painful penances, to commend our souls to the God of heaven or to expiate our transgression; but he that confesseth and forsaketh his sin shall have mercy.

The apostle says, "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed." James 5:16. Confess your sins to God, who only can forgive them, and your faults to one another. If you have given offense to your friend or neighbor, you are to acknowledge your wrong, and it is his duty freely to forgive you. Then you are to seek the forgiveness of God, because the brother you have wounded is the property of God, and in injuring him you sinned against his Creator and Redeemer. The case is brought before the only true Mediator, our great High Priest, who "was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin," and who is "touched with the feeling of our infirmities," and is able to cleanse from every stain of iniquity. Hebrews 4:15.

Those who have not humbled their souls before God in acknowledging their guilt, have not yet [p. 38] fulfilled the first condition of acceptance. If we have not experienced that repentance which is not to be repented of, and have not with true humiliation of soul and brokenness of spirit confessed our sins, abhorring our iniquity, we have never truly sought for the forgiveness of sin; and if we have never sought, we have never found the peace of God. The only reason why we do not have remission of sins that are past is that we are not willing to humble our hearts and comply with the conditions of the word of truth. Explicit instruction is given concerning this matter. Confession of sin, whether public or private, should be heartfelt and freely expressed. It is not to be urged from the sinner. It is not to be made in a flippant and careless way, or forced from those who have no realizing sense of the abhorrent character of sin. The confession that is the outpouring of the inmost soul finds its way to the God of infinite pity. The psalmist says, "The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit." Psalm 34:18.

True confession is always of a specific character, and acknowledges particular sins. They may be of such a nature as to be brought before God only; they may be wrongs that should be confessed to individuals who have suffered injury through them; or they may be of a public character, and should then be as publicly confessed. But all confession should be definite and to the point, acknowledging the very sins of which you are guilty.

In the days of Samuel the Israelites wandered from God. They were suffering the consequences of [p. 39] sin; for they had lost their faith in God, lost their discernment of His power and wisdom to rule the nation, lost their confidence in His ability to defend and vindicate His cause. They turned from the great Ruler of the universe and desired to be governed as were the nations around them. Before they found peace they made this definite confession: "We have added unto all our sins this evil, to ask us a king." 1 Samuel 12:19. The very sin of which they were convicted had to be confessed. Their ingratitude oppressed their souls and severed them from God.

Confession will not be acceptable to God without sincere repentance and reformation. There must be decided changes in the life; everything offensive to God must be put away. This will be the result of genuine sorrow for sin. The work that we have to do on our part is plainly set before us: "Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before Mine eyes; cease to do evil; learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow." Isaiah 1:16, 17. "If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die." Ezekiel 33:15. Paul says, speaking of the work of repentance: "Ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter." 2 Corinthians 7:11. [p. 40]

When sin has deadened the moral perceptions, the wrongdoer does not discern the defects of his character nor realize the enormity of the evil he has committed; and unless he yields to the convicting power of the Holy Spirit he remains in partial blindness to his sin. His confessions are not sincere and in earnest. To every acknowledgment of his guilt he adds an apology in excuse of his course, declaring that if it had not been for certain circumstances he would not have done this or that for which he is reproved.

After Adam and Eve had eaten of the forbidden fruit, they were filled with a sense of shame and terror. At first their only thought was how to excuse their sin and escape the dreaded sentence of death. When the Lord inquired concerning their sin, Adam replied, laying the guilt partly upon God and partly upon his companion: "The woman whom Thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat." The woman put the blame upon the serpent, saying, "The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat." Genesis 3: 12, 13. Why did You make the serpent? Why did You suffer him to come into Eden? These were the questions implied in her excuse for her sin, thus charging God with the responsibility of their fall. The spirit of self-justification originated in the father of lies and has been exhibited by all the sons and daughters of Adam. Confessions of this order are not inspired by the divine Spirit and will not be acceptable to God. True repentance will lead a man to bear his guilt himself and acknowledge it without deception or hypocrisy. Like the poor publican, not lifting up so much as his eyes unto heaven, he will cry, "God be [p. 41] merciful to me a sinner," and those who do acknowledge their guilt will be justified, for Jesus will plead His blood in behalf of the repentant soul.

The examples in God's word of genuine repentance and humiliation reveal a spirit of confession in which there is no excuse for sin or attempt at self-justification. Paul did not seek to shield himself; he paints his sin in its darkest hue, not attempting to lessen his guilt. He says, "Many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them. And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities." Acts 26: 10, 11. He does not hesitate to declare that "Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief." 1 Timothy 1:15.

The humble and broken heart, subdued by genuine repentance, will appreciate something of the love of God and the cost of Calvary; and as a son confesses to a loving father, so will the truly penitent bring all his sins before God. And it is written, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9.

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If we read scripture we see a pattern that anytime people would turn away from Truth, God would raise up a prophet or messenger and point them back to the teachings of the Word of God. This is what Ellen White did.

There are two fundamental problems with this argument:

Firstly, if we assume the premise is valid, the Holy Apostle Paul specifically said that women do not have authority to teach or lead men in the Church, therefore the role of a Restorationist prophet would have to be served by a man.

Secondly, and more importantly, in Matthew 16 Christ promises the gates of Hell would not prevail against the Church. This undermines to a large extent the claims of Radical Reformation groups like the Amish, Hutterites, Mennonites and so on, as well as Restorationists like George Fox of the Quakers, or George Miller of the Adventists, or indeed Ellen White.

It does not undermine Protestantism as a whole because St. Jan Hus, St. Jerome of Prague, Martin Luther, Thomas Cranmer, John Wesley, Philip Melancthon and other prominent Protestant leaders functioned in an understanding that there were legitimate churches, and the problems were specific to the Roman church, but not necessarily the Eastern churches.

Regarding which, the fact that Ellen G. White basically glosses over and ignores the actual Great Controversy between the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and the Assyrian Church of the East (a controversy which is partially resolved but not entirely as Eucharistic communion has not been restored) is a serious problem with the work from a factual perspective, since the idea of the Roman Catholic Church versus Protestantism is a false dichotomy.
 
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There are two fundamental problems with this argument:

Firstly, if we assume the premise is valid, the Holy Apostle Paul specifically said that women do not have authority to teach or lead men in the Church, therefore the role of a Restorationist prophet would have to be served by a man.
There were women prophets in scripture and all scripture is valid. 2 Tim 3:16
Secondly, and more importantly, in Matthew 16 Christ promises the gates of Hell would not prevail against the Church. This undermines to a large extent the claims of Radical Reformation groups like the Amish, Hutterites, Mennonites and so on, as well as Restorationists like George Fox of the Quakers, or George Miller of the Adventists, or indeed Ellen White.
The Church is not the Roman Catholic Church. The Church are those who are in Christ and scripture tells us those characteristics of someone in Christ.
It does not undermine Protestantism as a whole because St. Jan Hus, St. Jerome of Prague, Martin Luther, Thomas Cranmer, John Wesley, Philip Melancthon and other prominent Protestant leaders functioned in an understanding that there were legitimate churches, and the problems were specific to the Roman church, but not necessarily the Eastern churches.

Regarding which, the fact that Ellen G. White basically glosses over and ignores the actual Great Controversy between the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and the Assyrian Church of the East (a controversy which is partially resolved but not entirely as Eucharistic communion has not been restored) is a serious problem with the work from a factual perspective, since the idea of the Roman Catholic Church versus Protestantism is a false dichotomy.
The Great Controversy is not the Roman Catholic church against the Eastern Orthodox church, the Great Controversy is between God and Satan. We each choose through our faith and actions which side of the controversy we are on.
 
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A primary factual issue I have with the works of Ellen G. White is that there are substantial errors in her account of the formation of the Roman Catholic Church, the Papacy, the Council of Nicaea, and also groups like the Albigensians, who were actually Gnostic heretics related to the Bogomils and Paulicans, and not practitioners of the reformed religion (which did not exist at the time the Albigensians were active, given that Reformed theology was developed starting with the groundbreaking work of John Calvin and refined by the likes of John Knox, Jonathan Edwards and Karl Barth), as George Foxe erroneously suggested in his Book of Martyrs.

However, I was entirely unaware of the sweeping condemnation she made of the Sacrament of Reconciliation that @boughtwithaprice mentioned, because I have to confess I stopped reading The Great Controversy after the historical errors. The statements she makes about Reconciliation, also known as Confession, are seriously problematic in light of Old and New Testament texts.

Also while I do credit Ellen White for enforcing Trinitarianism on the majority of the Adventist community, I am not entirely convinced her understanding of the doctrine of the Trinity, specifically of the Incarnation, is correct.

Now, to be clear, in this post I am not accusing Ellen White of being a false prophet. Rather, I am merely raising factual and theological issues that exist within her literary corpus.

In my view there is a distinction between the charism of Prophecy as it exists in the Christian Church since Pentecost, with the descent of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 (and today can be found primarily among some monks and nuns of the Anglican, Roman Catholic, Eastern and Oriental Orthodox churches, who live ascetic lives, and the Holy Prophets of the Old Testament, and I disagree with the assertion of @SabbathBlessings that their primary function was to call the people to repentence. This was a function, to be sure, but a secondary one, for as the ending of the Gospel According to Luke reveals, their primary function was the prophecy, through the recordings of their ministry, of the Incarnation of the Word in our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ.

This in some cases existed without their entire awareness of the full nature of their function, for example, in the case of the prophet Jonah, who was sent to call the Ninevites to repentence, but in the grand scheme of things, his ministry was a prophecy of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, with the belly of the whale typographically representing Hades, and also I would argue of the ministry of the Holy Spirit, in how God tended to him in the desert.
 
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There were women prophets in scripture and all scripture is valid.

Indeed, and there are female prophets today, but the vocation of the prophets of the Old Testament and the Christian Church is different.
 
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Indeed, and there are female prophets today, but the vocation of the prophets of the Old Testament and the Christian Church is different.
Are you saying God is not capable of rising up another prophet like He did previously. There is no such text that supports this idea.
 
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A primary factual issue I have with the works of Ellen G. White is that there are substantial errors in her account of the formation of the Roman Catholic Church, the Papacy, the Council of Nicaea, and also groups like the Albigensians, who were actually Gnostic heretics related to the Bogomils and Paulicans, and not practitioners of the reformed religion (which did not exist at the time the Albigensians were active, given that Reformed theology was developed starting with the groundbreaking work of John Calvin and refined by the likes of John Knox, Jonathan Edwards and Karl Barth), as George Foxe erroneously suggested in his Book of Martyrs.

However, I was entirely unaware of the sweeping condemnation she made of the Sacrament of Reconciliation that @boughtwithaprice mentioned, because I have to confess I stopped reading The Great Controversy after the historical errors. The statements she makes about Reconciliation, also known as Confession, are seriously problematic in light of Old and New Testament texts.

Also while I do credit Ellen White for enforcing Trinitarianism on the majority of the Adventist community, I am not entirely convinced her understanding of the doctrine of the Trinity, specifically of the Incarnation, is correct.

Now, to be clear, in this post I am not accusing Ellen White of being a false prophet. Rather, I am merely raising factual and theological issues that exist within her literary corpus.

In my view there is a distinction between the charism of Prophecy as it exists in the Christian Church since Pentecost, with the descent of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 (and today can be found primarily among some monks and nuns of the Anglican, Roman Catholic, Eastern and Oriental Orthodox churches, who live ascetic lives, and the Holy Prophets of the Old Testament, and I disagree with the assertion of @SabbathBlessings that their primary function was to call the people to repentence. This was a function, to be sure, but a secondary one, for as the ending of the Gospel According to Luke reveals, their primary function was the prophecy, through the recordings of their ministry, of the Incarnation of the Word in our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ.

This in some cases existed without their entire awareness of the full nature of their function, for example, in the case of the prophet Jonah, who was sent to call the Ninevites to repentence, but in the grand scheme of things, his ministry was a prophecy of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, with the belly of the whale typographically representing Hades, and also I would argue of the ministry of the Holy Spirit, in how God tended to him in the desert.
The primary reason God raises up a prophet is to lead them back to His teaching when they stray. God tries everything to reach us when we go against His Word. We are all free to our opinions and we will have to agree to disagree in regard to the so called errors of EGW against the RCC. The RCC doesn't need someone to point out their errors, they write enough of their own statements showing they go away from the holy scriptures and we are known by our fruits.
 
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Are you saying God is not capable of rising up another prophet like He did previously. There is no such text that supports this idea.
A prophet that He does rise up would not contradict His already written word. When that happens we know she is not of God and ought not be followed
 
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The primary reason God raises up a prophet is to lead them back to His teaching when they stray. God tries everything to reach us when we go against His Word. We are all free to our opinions and we will have to agree to disagree in regard to the so called errors of EGW against the RCC. The RCC doesn't need someone to point out their errors, they write enough of their own statements showing they go away from the holy scriptures and we are known by our fruits.
You can make an accusation, but cannot back it up with evidence, and if contrary evidence is presented to you, it is ignored. The Catholic Church has kept the faith once delivered to the saints. Those that claim to be Catholic are another story, but you will not find any contradiction of scripture in the Catechism of the Catholic Church
 
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The Great Controversy is not the Roman Catholic church against the Eastern Orthodox church, the Great Controversy is between God and Satan. We each choose through our faith and actions which side of the controversy we are on.

So, before I begin, I would note this observation is irrelevant, because my point is that insofar as Ellen White ignored all tnree Eastern churches, the Eastern Orthodox, the Oriental Orthodox, and the Church of the East, and all three are distinct as my beloved Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox friends @prodromos @HTacianas @dzheremi and @Pavel Mosko can attest, although there are also commonalities, for example all three reject the Filioque, and most of them, with the exception of the Armenian Apostolic Church, use only leavened bread in the Eucharist, - insofar as Ellen White ignored these churches, which have a complex theology of the Sabbath distinct from that of Rome and which worship on both Saturday and Sunday, with Saturday tending to be used both for vigils and for the liturgical commemoration of the departed, because they are at rest as Christ was on the Seventh Day, and will rise on the Eighth Day, the General Resurrection (but being at rest, they rest in Heaven and are conscience and not in a state of “soul sleep”), and posited the work as being about the Protestants vs. the Catholics, this was a serious omission which undermines several of her historical arguments concerning, for instance, the historic power and influence of the papacy (the Catholicos of Assyrian Church of the East, for some centuries before the genocide of Tamerlane and his sons presided over a much larger area than the Pope, and probably at least half as many, maybe more, Christian believers).

Now, with that out of the way, I would argue the assertion that there is a Great Controversy between God and Satan is dualistic and a serious error. Satan rebelled, he and his followers among the angels were cast down by God and exist in a fallen state, and their actions have been restricted and circumscribed by God ever since. And insofar as Satan had some domination over mankind through death, this was permanently taken away from him by our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Thus as the Prince of Power of the Air, the devil exists in a state of perpetual spiritual delusion, working with his demons to attempt to deceive the faithful, and manipulating the faithless, because he is unaware of the fact that he lost, or more likely, refuses to admit it, and instead pretends he is still a contender, but God protects Christians from the devil, so that we are tested by the devil so that our faith may be strengthened, like gold tried in a fire, but God will not actually permit the devil to harm His flock or His Church.

So, there is no ongoing Great Controversy between God and Satan, in that whatever was controvertible in the mind of the devil was instantly resolved in favor of the good by God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, who is Almighty, Omnipotent, and Omniscient, knowing all things before they happen, and also entirely good, entirely perfect, and unchanging.

This by the way also causes a potential problem for the idea of the Investigative Judgement, theologically and Christologically, for this reason: Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man without change, confusion, division or separation, being of one essence with the Father, and thus is Omniscient and All Knowing.
 
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Did Ellen G White actually even call herself a Prophet, or the Spirit of Prophecy, or did she merely express a belief that some of her writings potentially contained or were inspired by revealed information? If she claimed that, and if it were proven true, it would make her a prophet, however, there is a difference between making a prophetic utterance, writing an inspired work, claiming to have received divine inspiration or prophetic revelation, or claiming to have possibly received it, and declaring oneself a Prophet or the Spirit of Prophecy?

Also, what exactly is meant by the title “The Spirit of Prophecy”? In what sense is Ellen White as The Spirit of Prophecy different from St. John the Baptist, or St. Moses, or St. Elijah, or St. Daniel, or St. Isaiah, or St. Jeremiah?

Also, who else are prophete since Pentecost according to the SDA? Are the authors of the twenty seven books of the New Testament prophets? Presumably St. John the Beloved Disciple would have to be, since the Apocalypse, or Revelation, that he received while exiled on Patmos is entirely prophetic in nature.

My earlier argument is that insofar as God has inspired prophets to correct local churches, as St. John did by conveying in the Revelation the direct warnings from Jesus Christ our God to certain local churches in Asia Minor (notably the Church in Rome was not warned, nor the churches in Antioch, Byzantion, Athens, Alexandria, Edessa, Seleucia-Cstesiphon, or Kerala) , consistency with the writings of St. Paul requires them to be male by virtue of the authority they exercise, and St. John the Beloved Disciple is a specific example of a male prophet delivering a correction to local churches, who had to be male, because a correction by nature implies teaching and authority, and the correction comes from God in any case.

Indeed there is a very strong argument to be made that all prophecies in the Old Testament and the Christian Church alike are made according to the Will of the Father, expressed by the Logos, the Word, Christ Jesus, and delivered by the Holy Spirit.
 
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The primary reason God raises up a prophet is to lead them back to His teaching when they stray. God tries everything to reach us when we go against His Word. We are all free to our opinions and we will have to agree to disagree in regard to the so called errors of EGW against the RCC. The RCC doesn't need someone to point out their errors, they write enough of their own statements showing they go away from the holy scriptures and we are known by our fruits.

According to the Gospel of Luke, the primary function of the Prophets was to foretell the coming of Christ, and all of the Old Testament is about Him.

Thus, it must be that the correction of sinners is a secondary function of prophets, and only of some prophets.

Also, almost all of what the Roman Catholic Church teaches is agreed by all of the traditional Protestant and Orthodox churches, and most of it is agreed to by almost all Christians. There are actually very few potential major errors in Roman Catholic theology. I can think of only the doctrines of Papal Infallibility, Papal Supremacy, Purgatory, the Filioque, and Created Grace, and the last two are not universally held by Eastern Rite Catholics, and the problems with the doctrine of Purgatory were greatly mitigated by the work of Pope Benedict XVI, while the ecumenical engagement of the Catholic church mitigates the errors concerning the Pope.

And indeed if we are known by our fruits, then the Roman Catholic Church is in very good standing indeed, for it continues to reject divorce, homosexuality and abortion, it operates a vast number of hospitals, hospices and charities, more than any other church (both because it is the largest church and because of its generosity over the centuries), and it preaches the Gospel and administers the sacraments of Baptism and the Eucharist around the world.

Now, interestingly, all of the above is also true of the SDA church, so the process of ecumenical reconciliation is strongly indicated, and this requires a dialogue between SDA Christians and Roman Catholic Christians. I have no doubt the RCC would come to the table, and I hope Adventists would as well.
 
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So, there is no ongoing Great Controversy between God and Satan, in that whatever was controvertible in the mind of the devil was instantly resolved in favor of the good by God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, who is Almighty, Omnipotent, and Omniscient, knowing all things before they happen, and also entirely good, entirely perfect, and unchanging.
This certainly is not something supported by scripture- There will be a Great Controversy between God and Satan until Satan is destroyed by God. Until then, there is a real spiritual battle going on daily between Good and evil. Satan is trying to deceive as many people as possible until probation closes and at that time our fates will be sealed.
This by the way also causes a potential problem for the idea of the Investigative Judgement, theologically and Christologically, for this reason: Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man without change, confusion, division or separation, being of one essence with the Father, and thus is Omniscient and All Knowing.
God being all-knowing does not change that we make our decisions and our fates will be sealed based on what we do.

When Jesus comes He will already know who will be written in the Book of Life.

Judgment takes place before Jesus comes

The time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God 1 Peter 4:17

He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still. And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work Revelation 22:11, 12

Jesus will be all our our righteous Judge 2 Cor 5:10 and every just judge has to have evidence before making judgement….everything we do is being recorded

Ecc 12:14 God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil
Luke 8:17 For nothing is secret that will not be revealed, nor anything hidden that will not be known and come to light.

The court (judgment) was seated, and the books were opened Daniel 7:10. The dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books Revelation 20:12. We will be judged by the law of liberty James 2:12.

It’s one thing to make accusations, but another to actually prove it biblically. There is an investigative judgement as we serve a righteous Judge who will judge us fairly based on our own deeds.
 
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According to the Gospel of Luke, the primary function of the Prophets was to foretell the coming of Christ, and all of the Old Testament is about Him.

Thus, it must be that the correction of sinners is a secondary function of prophets, and only of some prophets.
Jesus came to save us from our sins, not in them Matthew 1:21. God sent prophets because He has compassion for His people

2 Cor 36:15 The Lord, the God of their ancestors, sent word to them through his messengers again and again, because he had pity on his people and on his dwelling place

But this is how people responded

2 Cor 2:16 But they mocked God’s messengers, despised his words and scoffed at his prophets until the wrath of the Lord was aroused against his people and there was no remedy

A prophet helps people prepare their way for Christ‘s return. While spreading the good news of Jesus Christ returning is important, we also need to teach people how to live for Christ so we can be prepared for the Second Coming of Jesus.
Also, almost all of what the Roman Catholic Church teaches is agreed by all of the traditional Protestant and Orthodox churches, and most of it is agreed to by almost all Christians. There are actually very few potential major errors in Roman Catholic theology. I can think of only the doctrines of Papal Infallibility, Papal Supremacy, Purgatory, the Filioque, and Created Grace, and the last two are not universally held by Eastern Rite Catholics, and the problems with the doctrine of Purgatory were greatly mitigated by the work of Pope Benedict XVI, while the ecumenical engagement of the Catholic church mitigates the errors concerning the Pope.

And indeed if we are known by our fruits, then the Roman Catholic Church is in very good standing indeed, for it continues to reject divorce, homosexuality and abortion, it operates a vast number of hospitals, hospices and charities, more than any other church (both because it is the largest church and because of its generosity over the centuries), and it preaches the Gospel and administers the sacraments of Baptism and the Eucharist around the world.

Now, interestingly, all of the above is also true of the SDA church, so the process of ecumenical reconciliation is strongly indicated, and this requires a dialogue between SDA Christians and Roman Catholic Christians. I have no doubt the RCC would come to the table, and I hope Adventists would as well.
One thing we should never compromise on is biblical Truth. We are only sanctified by the Truth of God’s Word John 17:17 and only God can sanctify us Ezekiel 20:13 casting aside biblical Truth is never a good idea 2 Thes 2:10-12. Jesus tells us to teach each other the commandments Matthew 5:19 and if we love our neighbor we will teach them Truth, that many cast aside for the sake of unity.
 
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