Eating pork and shellfish is a grave sin.

[deu58]

Paul was not in grave error it is our understanding of what he says that is in grave error. Paul was a Jew. He never understood from what he said that Gentiles or Jews could now eat unclean food. He never did it. No where does it say the Gentiles or the Jews ate unclean food.

Hello Symes

As much as you claim that Acts 10had nothing to do with food,


Hello Symes

Ac 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

Ac 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,

Ac 11:3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

yours in Christ
deu58

 

[thereselittleflower]

Hello Symes

As much as you claim that Acts 10had nothing to do with food,


Hello Symes

Ac 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

Ac 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,

Ac 11:3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

yours in Christ
deu58

And you can be sure that uncircumcised men were not interested in Jewish kosher laws and what was clean or unclean . .

The vision told Peter 2 things

That food that had been unclean was now clean, so he could eat whatever was set before him in good conxcience towards God and man,

And that God was taking the Gospel to the Gentiles, those of whom he had previously thoughth to be unclean and not to associate with . .


So he arose . . he went to those who were unclean and ate with them, so hade to eat unclean foods . .


Peace in him!

 

[thereselittleflower]

Paul was not in grave error it is our understanding of what he says that is in grave error. Paul was a Jew. He never understood from what he said that Gentiles or Jews could now eat unclean food. He never did it. No where does it say the Gentiles or the Jews ate unclean food.

Then Synes . .

Why would Paul tell the Corinthians to eat whatever the found in the market place when the foods offered there were those sacrificed to idols of which UNclean foods were in abundance?

Why would Paul tell the Corinithians to eat whatever is put in front of them at a pgan feats . . which would be foods offered to idols an include many unclean animals INCLUDING SWINE!!

It is not our understanding of Paul's words that are in error . .

It appears your understanding of history is lacking, and your knowledge of what foods were in the market place, and what food pagans would offer to guests at feasts, is deficient which permits you to accept wrong ideas , , ,. .

Paul said WHATEVER . . not be careful that you pick and choose carefully fromw hat is set in front of you ..

foods are offred, and it is an insult to your host to not accept . .


Paul is MOST DEFINITELY telling CHRISTIANS they CAN EAT unclean foods in this passage:

1Co 10:25​

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Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

1Co 10:26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.

1Co 10:27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.

1Co 10:28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:

1Co 10:29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?

1Co 10:30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?

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Symes

Why do you judge us, why do you speak evil of us for that for which we give thanks?


For by GRACE we, like Paul and in obedience to what he said here, are partakers . . .


Peace in Him!

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Paul was not in grave error it is our understanding of what he says that is in grave error. Paul was a Jew. He never understood from what he said that Gentiles or Jews could now eat unclean food. He never did it. No where does it say the Gentiles or the Jews ate unclean food.

Symes aside from the Gospels show us where any specific food is mentioned at all? There are no menus given as to what was eaten and it is never said that we are to keep kosher either.

 

[deu58]

hello Symes

Therese said
And you can be sure that uncircumcised men were not interested in Jewish kosher laws and what was clean or unclean .

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I Should have pointed this out myself, I already know Symes is going to try to say that these are Gentiles who obeyed the law.

Thanks for nipping that one in the bud before he tried that.

But as can be plainly seen Symes the people were not circumsised and did not practice the Mosaic law as the Jews practiced it.

In fact considering the Jewish brethren were upset these Gentiles although Godfearing were not even Proselytes, Notice that even before Peter Gentile proselytes were being received in to the Church

Ac 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,


Yours in Christ
deu58

 

[Andre]

And you can be sure that uncircumcised men were not interested in Jewish kosher laws and what was clean or unclean . .

The vision told Peter 2 things

That food that had been unclean was now clean, so he could eat whatever was set before him in good conxcience towards God and man,

And that God was taking the Gospel to the Gentiles, those of whom he had previously thoughth to be unclean and not to associate with . .


So he arose . . he went to those who were unclean and ate with them, so hade to eat unclean foods . .


Peace in him!

And I belive Peter was even more stuborn than Symes, because God had to repeat the vison 3 times until Peter acepted it.

God-Here Peter, eat
Peter-No God, It's unclean
God-Don't call unclean what I made clean, eat!
Peter- No God , that's nasty, look at that lizzard, it's unclean, look there's a shrimp, they eat dead people in the ocean...
God-Peter, eat!
Peter- Ewww, no way God, it's unclean, lalalalalala I'm not listening, lalalalalala.

Reminds me of you Symes....

14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
16This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

Pay attention that he says he had never eaten anything unclen before, then God tells him "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.".
At this point they were talikng about food, Peter didn't know God was also refering to Gentiles.

 

[Heartman]

I do not think the Jewish dietery laws apply to Christians. The vision Peter had settles that for me.
Heartman

 

[DJBelieves]

Red Lobster anyone?

 

[Andre]

Red Lobster anyone?

Are you buying?

 

[thereselittleflower]

Red Lobster anyone?

Is it too late to join? ! Would love to go too!


Peace in Him!

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Hey I am buying sushi Wed night, just gotta make it to Houston

 

[Symes]

flesh99

Hey I am buying sushi Wed night, just gotta make it to Houston

You can buy what you like. You do not need my permission. That does not change what the Bible says about unclean and clean food.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

You are right Symes, nothing I can do will make any food unclean since it is all clean for us as Christians. I am glad to see you agree with the Bible since it only gives food rules FROM Moses and UNTIL Christ. Read Mark, he noted that Christ declared all foods clean.

 

[Icystwolf]

Red Lobster anyone?

Lets make this un-halal, un-kocher and un-symes as much as possible.

http://www.cdkitchen.com/recipes/copy/cp1017971988.shtml

Bacon and Red Lobster....two very forbidden animals to eat...MMmmmmmmm!

 

[Andre]

flesh99



You can buy what you like. You do not need my permission. That does not change what the Bible says about unclean and clean food.

Calm down Symes, it's not pork sushi, it's salmon and white fish on top of white rice...
maybe some salmon and cucomber rolls...
And wasabi... yummmi....

Top it off with some warm sake and you got it made.

 

[Symes]

The Bible says unclean food is unclean. No where have we been told that unclean food is now clean. The passages you use here have been taken out of context.

 

[Icystwolf]

The Bible says unclean food is unclean. No where have we been told that unclean food is now clean. The passages you use here have been taken out of context.

Symes, I've proved to you that your arguments are false, and scriptures out of context.

You haven't proved any to us....It would be interesting how you draw conclusions that our Bible study is so flawed?

Who else but the professional spinner, Ellen !

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

It was actually Peter who had the vision - And I would consider it much more than a vague description.

Okay now that you have read Acts Chapter 10 - try reading Romans 14:13-18.

True. The vision is talking about all animals being clean. There is no clean or unclean.

 

[Andre]

The Bible says unclean food is unclean. No where have we been told that unclean food is now clean. The passages you use here have been taken out of context.

Sorry Symes, but you are the one taking half of the Bible out of context to agree with your twisted doctrine.

 

[Andre]

Paul was not in grave error it is our understanding of what he says that is in grave error. Paul was a Jew. He never understood from what he said that Gentiles or Jews could now eat unclean food. He never did it. No where does it say the Gentiles or the Jews ate unclean food.

So why did the Jews have a herd of swine with even a herdsmen to watch it?
Now, it's a fact that Jews didn't eat pork, but as we see in this passage it didn't keep them from having pig herds, so they probably sold it to Gentiles for food.
Somebody was eating it otherwise there wouldn't be a herdsmen.
And I bet they weren't raising them to be pets...

Luke 8
31 They were imploring Him not to command them to go away into (26) the abyss.
32 Now there was a herd of many swine feeding there on the mountain; and the demons implored Him to permit them to enter the swine. And He gave them permission.
33 And the demons came out of the man and entered the swine; and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and was drowned.
34 When the herdsmen saw what had happened, they ran away and reported it in the city and out in the country.
35 The people went out to see what had happened; and they came to Jesus, and found the man from whom the demons had gone out, sitting down at the feet of Jesus, clothed and in his right mind; and they became frightened.