'Easy to be an atheist if you agnore science' [moved]

[lesliedellow]

Leslie, all you have to do is to read Genesis to know how life was created!

That life was created is not in question. How it was created is.

 

[Nithavela]

That life was created is not in question. How it was created is.

Actually that life was created IS in question, because "created" implies that someone did the creating, while many people believe that live emerged without a concious act of creation.

 

[lesliedellow]

Actually that life was created IS in question, because "created" implies that someone did the creating, while many people believe that live emerged without a concious act of creation.

The poster specifically addressed me, presumably after noticing that I was a Calvinist.

 

[Commander]

That life was created is not in question. How it was created is.

You will also find the answer to your question in Genesis.

 

[Nithavela]

You will also find the answer to your question in Genesis.

Aren't there two creation stories in genesis, with different orders of creation?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Aren't there two creation stories in genesis, with different orders of creation?

That is what I have heard also.........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_creation_narrative

The Genesis creation narrative is the creation myth of both Judaism and Christianity. It is made up of two parts, roughly equivalent to the first two chapters of the Book of Genesis.

In the first part (Genesis 1:1–2:3) Elohim, the Hebrew generic word for God, creates the heaven and the earth in six days, starting with darkness and light on the first day, and ending with the creation of mankind on the sixth day. God then rests on, blesses and sanctifies the seventh day. In the second part (Genesis 2:4–2:24) God, now referred to by the personal name Yahweh, creates the first man from dust and breathes life into him. God then places him in the Garden of Eden and creates the first woman from his side as a companion.

A common hypothesis among modern scholars is that the first major comprehensive draft of the Pentateuch (the series of five books which begins with Genesis and ends with Deuteronomy) was composed in the late 7th or the 6th century BC (the Jahwist source) and that this was later expanded by other authors (the Priestly source) into a work very like the one we have today.[7]
The two sources can be identified in the creation narrative: Genesis 1:1–2:3 is Priestly and Genesis 2:4–2:24 is Jahwistic.[8] Borrowing themes from Mesopotamian mythology, but adapting them to Israel's belief in one God,[9] the combined narrative is a critique of the Mesopotamian theology of creation: Genesis affirms monotheism and denies polytheism.[10] Robert Alter described the combined narrative as "compelling in its archetypal character, its adaptation of myth to monotheistic ends".................

- See more at:
http://biologos.org/blogs/archive/israels-two-creation-stories-part-1/#sthash.iNsdZuoZ.dpuf

The two stories depict two different primordial scenes.

Genesis 1 begins with pre-existent chaotic matter—darkness and a watery deep—that is about to be “tamed” by God during the six-day sequence. The spirit of God hovers over the deep, and begins the creation sequence by first making light (1:3-5) and then dividing the waters (1:6-10). Genesis 1 shows how God makes habitable what is uninhabitable.

Genesis 2 depicts a similar transition from inhabitable to habitable, but it does not describe the primordial state in the same way. Instead, we find ourselves in a land that is not yet fully habitable. There are streams watering the earth. The presenting problem is not chaos but absence of plant life because there was neither rain nor anyone to work the land.

The setting of the scene for creation is different in these two accounts.

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[Nithavela]

That is what I have heard also.........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_creation_narrative

The Genesis creation narrative is the creation myth of both Judaism and Christianity. It is made up of two parts, roughly equivalent to the first two chapters of the Book of Genesis.

In the first part (Genesis 1:1–2:3) Elohim, the Hebrew generic word for God, creates the heaven and the earth in six days, starting with darkness and light on the first day, and ending with the creation of mankind on the sixth day. God then rests on, blesses and sanctifies the seventh day. In the second part (Genesis 2:4–2:24) God, now referred to by the personal name Yahweh, creates the first man from dust and breathes life into him. God then places him in the Garden of Eden and creates the first woman from his side as a companion.

A common hypothesis among modern scholars is that the first major comprehensive draft of the Pentateuch (the series of five books which begins with Genesis and ends with Deuteronomy) was composed in the late 7th or the 6th century BC (the Jahwist source) and that this was later expanded by other authors (the Priestly source) into a work very like the one we have today.[7]
The two sources can be identified in the creation narrative: Genesis 1:1–2:3 is Priestly and Genesis 2:4–2:24 is Jahwistic.[8] Borrowing themes from Mesopotamian mythology, but adapting them to Israel's belief in one God,[9] the combined narrative is a critique of the Mesopotamian theology of creation: Genesis affirms monotheism and denies polytheism.[10] Robert Alter described the combined narrative as "compelling in its archetypal character, its adaptation of myth to monotheistic ends".................

- See more at:
http://biologos.org/blogs/archive/israels-two-creation-stories-part-1/#sthash.iNsdZuoZ.dpuf

The two stories depict two different primordial scenes.

Genesis 1 begins with pre-existent chaotic matter—darkness and a watery deep—that is about to be “tamed” by God during the six-day sequence. The spirit of God hovers over the deep, and begins the creation sequence by first making light (1:3-5) and then dividing the waters (1:6-10). Genesis 1 shows how God makes habitable what is uninhabitable.

Genesis 2 depicts a similar transition from inhabitable to habitable, but it does not describe the primordial state in the same way. Instead, we find ourselves in a land that is not yet fully habitable. There are streams watering the earth. The presenting problem is not chaos but absence of plant life because there was neither rain nor anyone to work the land.

The setting of the scene for creation is different in these two accounts.

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So.. which one do you believe is correct?

 

[lesliedellow]

You will also find the answer to your question in Genesis.

No I won't. Genesis isn't even asking a scientific question, let alone answering it.

 

[Commander]

Aren't there two creation stories in genesis, with different orders of creation?

Yes, there are. The first, is were God creates man. The second, God is telling us how He created us. In other words He tells us that He created man, then what He done to create us. A short version, and then the long version.

 

[Commander]

No I won't. Genesis isn't even asking a scientific question, let alone answering it.

Then you have not looked too hard.

 

[lesliedellow]

Then you have not looked too hard.

I have read Genesis 1-3 I don't know how many times, but quite a few.

 

[Commander]

I have read Genesis 1-3 I don't know how many times, but quite a few.

Ask for wisdom and understanding, and God will give it to you. It may not be today or tomorrow, but when the time is right, it will be given to you. Have a blessed day brother.

 

[Nithavela]

Yes, there are. The first, is were God creates man. The second, God is telling us how He created us. In other words He tells us that He created man, then what He done to create us. A short version, and then the long version.

If you really think that this is the only difference, I find it doubtfull that you have ever read genesis, yourself.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you really think that this is the only difference, I find it doubtfull that you have ever read genesis, yourself.

Speaking of having read it, how many times did God place Adam into the garden in chapter two?

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

 

[chandraclaws]

And I was so hoping it was a cleaver bit of word play, agnore as a reference to agnostic. Of course I know better, one should never expect something cleaver from certain groups.

Cleaver like this?
cleaver |ˈklēvər|
noun, a tool with a heavy broad blade, used by butchers for chopping meat.
or
Cleaver |ˈklēvər|
Cleaver, Eldridge (1935–98), U.S. civil rights activist. He converted to the Nation of Islam and wrote Soul on Ice (1968) about the black experience?
or may you're just having fun with all the misspelling...

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

One thing I'm still trying to figure out: how on Earth does someone misspell 'ignore'? A and I are on completely opposite sides of the keyboard.

 

[Commander]

One thing I'm still trying to figure out: how on Earth does someone misspell 'ignore'? A and I are on completely opposite sides of the keyboard.

There are a lot of things on here that you have a hard problem figuring out! Ask God for wisdom and understanding.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

There are a lot of things on here that you have a hard problem figuring out! Ask God for wisdom and understanding.

And that relates to me wondering how someone can so blatantly misspell a word... how?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Speaking of having read it, how many times did God place Adam into the garden in chapter two?

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

Wasn't the ADAM created in Eden before YAHWEH planted the garden east of it?
The Adam is being shown being put there twice [verse 2 and 15], but I assume it is the same event?

GENESIS 2:
6 and a mist goeth up from the earth, and hath watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And YAHWEH Elohim formeth the adam — dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils a breath of life,
and the man becometh a living-soul.

8 And YAHWEH Elohim planteth a garden in Eden, at the east and He setteth there the adam whom He hath formed;
9 and YAHWEH Elohim causeth to sprout from the ground every tree desirable for appearance, and good for food,
and the tree of life in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
15 And YAHWEH Elohim taketh the adam, and causeth him to rest in the garden of Eden, to serve it, and to keep it

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[AV1611VET]

There are a lot of things on here that you have a hard problem figuring out! Ask God for wisdom and understanding.

Warden is a deist:

"Belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind."