You inserted stuff and ignored stuff, and did not offer any support in the rest of the bible.
No need to rely on mental perturbations since we have the whole of Scripture to go to. When your contrived idea of what something means flies in the face of the usual and bible wide statements on the issue, you can consider yourself corrected and proceed accordingly.
If you really do not understand how prophesy works and how God can talk to someone while also really talking to Satan influencing that person, then you are bound to be confused. God was speaking to Satan through kings in the chapters you cite of course. Jesus showed the same thing as He spoke to Satan via Peter! He also showed how prophesy works by stopping mid verse in a prophesy about Himself, because the rest of the verse lept far into the future to His return to earth!
Right.
No. Part of what was spoken about Satan in Isa 14, for example had to do with his influence on nations. That is not after he is thrown in the lake. Nor is the bit where he was in Eden.
Of course you did not say it was THE oof Noah that was from God. You indicated some hell caused flood right there in the creation itself! I am sorry, but you seem to think Satan has some sort of power against God!? Ha. He is like an ant when it comes to any ability to fight against the Almighty! The devil can do nothing at all without permission.
I looked at Jer 4 just now. I see it is prophesy about the end time and last days. The signiture events through the bile for this time are even noted, the sun going dark, earth shaking etc etc.
Jer 4:
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had
no light.
24 I beheld the
mountains, and, lo, they
trembled, and all the
hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the
birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the
fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the
cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his
fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the LORD said, The
whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full
end.
28 For this
shall the
earth mourn, and the
heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
This cannot be before plants were created, since it is AFTER they grew and became desolate! This is not before birds were created, it is obviously AFTER they fled from something awful! This is not before man and cities on earth but after when they are broken and destroyed! This is not creation week, that was goo, this is the time of His anger spoken of by the prophets through Scripture! This is not before mountains exist but after they are brought down low! This is not before the sun and stars existed, but after when they are prophesied to go dark in the end days.
Wow.
It is totally absolutely unequivocally refuted. You were not even close.
You might ask yourself why that is.[/QUOTE
dad,
1. You know I have offered scriptural support in the Old and New Testaments, so quit telling untruths.
You may not agree with the assessment and I that is your choice but you should not tell outright untruths.
Inserting and ignoring stuff is a general statement of accusation and is not specifically shown.
Mental perturbations and being contrived? That is like the pot caught in the kettle black.
Corrected? That is laughable seeing that you want to argue your opinion instead of soundness of scripture. Try being honest for a change instead of merely hurling insults.
2. We agree with a double reference such as in the case of Satan using Peter when Jesus rebuked Peter.
Isaiah 14 is prophetic basically about the Antichrist and verses 8-11 is the taunt of hell to the Antichrist and verses 12:15 is the taunt of Lucifer.
Lucifer rebelled and weakened the nations and the Antichrist will weaken the nations but, the Antichrist will not be Lucifer and since he is future he was never at the original angelic rebellion in Heaven.
Ezekiel 28:1-6; The prince of Tyrus was earthly: Ithobalas 11.
Ezekiel 28:11-19 is the angelic King of Tyrus.
Verse 15 shows he was sinless till the day iniquity was found in him. This could not fit any earthly king or the Antichrist.
Do you disagree with this scriptural truth?
3. I did not say or imply Satan caused a flood. It was because of his sin we see the earth covered in water in Genesis 1:2. God gives judgement to sin. God has been and is and will always have control over all.
Either you don’t have ability to comprehend or you are twisting what I am saying on purpose? Which one?
4. You believe that Jeremiah is about the last days and shows it by the sun going dark and the earth being shaken etc. That is a superficial reading and reasoning of verses 23-26.
The only time the earth was without form and void was in Genesis 1:2.
Isaiah 24:1,3 says the Lord will make the earth empty and the land utterly emptied. But this is talking more in line with Judah.
Verse 4 is about judgement on earth where it mourns and fades away is not a full state of without form and void otherwise Christ and his heavenly armies would not be fighting anyone at Armageddon.
5. To say my position according to the scriptures is totally, absolutely, unequivocally refuted and not even close is nothing short of ignorance and probably willful at that. It also shows that you are not willing to be fair in proper debate and rebuttal and rightly dividing the scriptures.
You can disagree but quit being unfair. Jerry Kelso