Earth is Flat

[Strathos]

I'd like to mention that I have also had a personal experience with God, and He never said anything about the earth being flat.

 

[prodromos]

Eclipses are predicted according to the Saros Cycle, not heliocentric maths.

The Saros Cycle doesn't tell you exactly where and when the eclipse will be visible. Heliocentric maths does, with reliable consistent accuracy.

 

[Lost4words]

How can anyone be sucked into the false, unscientific, unbiblical, unrealistic, untruthful world of flat earth beliefs?

It beggars belief.

Imagine how foolish they will all look when we start taking vacational trips into space in the not too distant future!

 

[pgp_protector]

FYI, feel free to book a trip.

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[Lost4words]

FYI, feel free to book a trip.

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Do they supply giant ladders to climb the wall of ice that surrounds the flat earth?

 

[Freodin]

FYI, feel free to book a trip.

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You know that all these groups lie... they take your money and then fly you to Greenland or a big freezing warehouse in Conneticut!

Really! It says so on the internet!! It must be true!!!

 

[Oncewaslostbutamfound]

Thank you for confirming my earlier post. The Bible only refers to a vague "all scripture". There is no way to really know what the writer considered "scripture". At that time it would almost certainly exclude the New Testament. That verse can only refer to older "scripture" and one does not even know if or what books of the Old Testament would be counted as "scripture". The Jewish Torah is not identical to the Old Testament.

EDIT: I responded to @Oncewaslostbutamfound , unfortunately his response to me was buried in his quote of me and of course it was lost when I quoted him. Post #75 was his response if you are curious.

I made that earlier post right before I went to bed last night so I messed up the quote.
Jesus and his Apostles used the Septuagint. Jesus quoted the Greek language version most of time, so we do know what sort of Bible he was using. What you said in your earlier post was that the Bible doesn't say it is the word of God it is only the interpretation of some Christians. I found a verse that clearly says it is. Why wouldn't Paul regard the first century writings that would become the New Testament as scripture? What is your evidence?

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Not true. You are only considering when the eclipse would occur. The path of the Moon's shadow on the Earth is determined by the heliocentric model:

Saros (astronomy) - Wikipedia

And of course your model still cannot explain sunrises or sunsets, or how the Sun can sometimes light up clouds from underneath. Or the motion of the stars at night in the two hemispheres. The list of what Flerfers cannot explain that the globe model does explain is almost endless.

Saros cycle is what Nasa relies on for eclipse predictions.

FE can explain those items, you just don't like the answers.

Now run along and find physical evidence of that missing curvature. Cause you know we can see way further than we should on ball earth predictions.

 

[Hawkins]

First, who says that the Jewish concept we are told today is the same Jewish concept 2000 years ago.

Second, in order for God to convey a model (say, heaven and hell), this model must understandable to a certain extent such that the Jews can carry forward the message, such as the multiple heavens and a singular earth. Whatever we can come up today on such a model may not be relevant. The Bible already hinted it explicitly that "it is a cycle" and "it is suspended in space", which is already a good reflection of what our world is even through the incomplete comprehension of the Jews.

The concept of Hades/sheol bears the same characteristics. It is zoned including a deep space called Abyss, a paradise etc. They are more of a multiple spacial concept which God doesn't need to scientifically educate the ancient Jews for such a model to convey. It penetrates time and human knowledge for a model of heaven/hell to convey through the limited scientific understanding of the ancient Jews. The precision is good enough to convey such a message for humans in the different ages with different technology/knowledge to have a correct grasp on what it is in terms of a future lying ahead. As the Bible serves the purpose of salvation instead of scientific accuracy, thus the most important is for the ancient Jews to comprehend to a certain extent that the message about heaven and hell can convey.

To put it another way, even when the Bible describe it with great scientific accuracy, today's humans may not understand as today's knowledge can only model a 3D space while the more accurate concept may not be limited to that. We as today's humans don't have a multiple dimension model which can be scientifically accurate.

 

[Strathos]

If everything in outer space and beyond the earth is complete fiction, you'd figure they'd make it more exciting. Like I said earlier, 100 years ago scientists speculated about alien life being all over the solar system, but when we actually explored it, there was nothing.

And why would they say that the stars were so far away that reaching them is almost impossible? I'm assuming flat earthers don't believe in Einstein's theory of relativity either, so why would this imaginary conspiracy make up the rule that you can't travel faster than the speed of light? In all of those space exploration stories that you hate so much, the writers have to rely on fictional technology to actually travel around the universe, which real scientists would say is impossible.

Why not say that we regularly trade with little green men from Venus and Mars, and label half the stuff in grocery stores as coming from Saturn? Why not say we already have colonies on other planets, and show live video feed of people living there? Why not make documentaries about all of the jungles, life-filled oceans, and cities they've found on Alpha Centauri, which they send shuttles to every month?

And don't say it's because people wouldn't believe it. You're already postulating the ability to fool everyone into believing reality is a complete lie.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I made that earlier post right before I went to bed last night so I messed up the quote.
Jesus and his Apostles used the Septuagint. Jesus quoted the Greek language version most of time, so we do know what sort of Bible he was using. What you said in your earlier post was that the Bible doesn't say it is the word of God it is only the interpretation of some Christians. I found a verse that clearly says it is. Why wouldn't Paul regard the first century writings that would become the New Testament as scripture? What is your evidence?

No, that verse does not say that. You clearly put your own spin on it. The verse that you posted was the one I was implying in my first post that you responded to. And of course that verse was not even written by an apostle. It does not matter if Jesus used the Septuagint or not. And that claim is doubtful. What you forgot was that the anonymous authors of the Gospels were all Greek speakers. They may have relied on the Septuagint for their quotes, not Jesus.

2 Timothy was written by an anonymous author, not by Paul. It only refers to vague "scriptures" which the author may have thought were the Septuagint. The New Testament did not exist then. There were many "books" that were rejected when it was finally put into the form we see today.

And even if I gave you the New Testament that verse still does not say or imply that the Bible is literally true. It only claims that it is useful in instruction.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Saros cycle is what Nasa relies on for eclipse predictions.

FE can explain those items, you just don't like the answers.

Now run along and find physical evidence of that missing curvature. Cause you know we can see way further than we should on ball earth predictions.

Citation Needed. And no Flerfers cannot predict the time and path of eclipses. NASA can and has. Your group, not so much. But maybe somewhere there is a Flerfer that can do math. Please post his paper here so that we can see how his model works.

Second I posted an image of where one could go and see curvature. No one could refute it. Someone posted some weak pictures, one of which showed curvature, in a misguided understanding of how one refutes evidence. And of course, even though you don't like it, pictures from space are real and they show curvature. So you are wrong in that regard as well.

And you never demonstrated that we can see too far. In case you did not know, videos are not evidence. You can use a video to help you make a point, but the claims in a video need to be supported by the poster. When you post examples of "seeing to far" we can discuss them.

 

[renniks]

Sorry, I've been through this numerous times on this forum. You will always get a subset of the same 15 people who aren't capable of understanding what they see concerning flat earth but will have endless cartloads of crap to say about it. They know everything there is to know about it already. Just ask them. This 'christian' forum isn't friendly to biblical cosmology. Probably never will be.

But still you insist on no unicorns. How unbiblical can you get?
It's right there in the King James. But you want me to take metaphorical language seriously, when it comes to your flat Earth silliness.
Was the Bible written as a science book?
I'm going to guess that you're hanging your hat on Isaiah 40:22.

So let's look at some of the other things Isaiah 40 says: "every valley shall be raised up,
every mountain and hill made low;
the rough ground shall become level,
the rugged places a plain."

Is that literal or metaphorical?
"
The grass withers and the flowers fall,
because the breath of the Lord blows on them.
Surely the people are grass."

Is God literally blowing on the grass? Are people literally grass?

It says the Lord rules with a mighty hand,
Does God literally have physical hands?

Isaiah 40 also says he gathered lambs in his arms, and measures the water of the Earth in his hand.
Oh this is a good one: he held the dust of the Earth in a basket!
Literally or figuratively?
Weighed the mountains on a scale!
Really?
Sounds to me like these are figurative terms used to show us the power of the Almighty, not to be taken literally.
As a matter of fact that text itself tells us that:
"
With whom, then, will you compare God? To what image will you liken him?"

It's beautiful imagery, not a scientific explanation of the form of the Earth.

 

[SeventyOne]

But still you insist on no unicorns. How unbiblical can you get?
It's right there in the King James. But you want me to take metaphorical language seriously, when it comes to your flat Earth silliness.
Was the Bible written as a science book?
I'm going to guess that you're hanging your hat on Isaiah 40:22.

So let's look at some of the other things Isaiah 40 says: "every valley shall be raised up,
every mountain and hill made low;
the rough ground shall become level,
the rugged places a plain."

Is that literal or metaphorical?
"
The grass withers and the flowers fall,
because the breath of the Lord blows on them.
Surely the people are grass."

Is God literally blowing on the grass? Are people literally grass?

It says the Lord rules with a mighty hand,
Does God literally have physical hands?

Isaiah 40 also says he gathered lambs in his arms, and measures the water of the Earth in his hand.
Oh this is a good one: he held the dust of the Earth in a basket!
Literally or figuratively?
Weighed the mountains on a scale!
Really?
Sounds to me like these are figurative terms used to show us the power of the Almighty, not to be taken literally.
As a matter of fact that text itself tells us that:
"
With whom, then, will you compare God? To what image will you liken him?"

It's beautiful imagery, not a scientific explanation of the form of the Earth.

I believe in the conveyance of the original languages. Just because some translations of that used a word 400 years ago that in today's thought is a mythical creature, doesn't follow I have to believe in that mythical creature to be biblical.

The rest of this is just you trying to explain away other portions of scripture so it conforms to your own understanding. Shameful, but I'm not the one who will have to answer for it.

 

[Strathos]

And if NASA is such a big part of this conspiracy, why are they always so hard up for funding? This year they're getting 0.4% of the budget, compared to the military, which is often more than 50%.

In fact, every few months, NASA tries to get people hyped up about some big announcement they're going to make, and a bunch of conspiracy theorists (those on the opposite, but just as kooky, end of the spectrum from flat earthers) always think '[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] it's aliens!'. But it inevitably turns out to be something like 'We found an asteroid shaped like a pancake. Isn't that cool? Please give us money. '

 

[renniks]

I believe in the conveyance of the original languages. Just because some translations of that used a word 400 years ago that in today's thought is a mythical creature, doesn't follow I have to believe in that mythical creature to be biblical.

The rest of this is just you trying to explain away other portions of scripture so it conforms to your own understanding. Shameful, but I'm not the one who will have to answer for it.

So, no answer, then. It's all literal?
I'm not explaining away scripture. I'm reading it in context.
The text doesn't even say that the Earth is flat, BTW, it doesn't even use that imagery.
Why a flat disk? If you want to take the earth verses in scriptural imagery literally, you have to have corners on the Earth, and have it sitting on pillars.

 

[SeventyOne]

So, no answer, then. It's all literal?
I'm not explaining away scripture. I'm reading it in context.

No answer? That was an answer. Did you not read it yet? Do I need to give you more time?

The text doesn't even say that the Earth is flat, BTW, it doesn't even use that imagery.

Depends on if you actually study a bit or just assume it so. There are people who have taken the time to amass over 200 such scriptures displaying such imagery, but maybe you missed them.

Why a flat disk? If you want to take the earth verses in scriptural imagery literally, you have to have corners on the Earth, and have it sitting on pillars.

Yes, you do, and under a dome, wherein the sun, moon, and stars are placed, just as scriptures describe.

 

[renniks]

Yes, you do, and under a dome, wherein the sun, moon, and stars are placed, just as scriptures describe.

Does a frisbee have corners?

 

[Subduction Zone]

No answer? That was an answer. Did you not read it yet? Do I need to give you more time?



Depends on if you actually study a bit or just assume it so. There are people who have taken the time to amass over 200 such scriptures displaying such imagery, but maybe you missed them.



Yes, you do, and under a dome, wherein the sun, moon, and stars are placed, just as scriptures describe.

Then you are claiming that scripture is false since we can show those simplistic explanations are wrong.

 

[SeventyOne]

Does a frisbee have corners?

Not any Frisbee I've ever seen. Good thing I don't live on one, all the hurling around would make me dizzy and everything around me unstable. Just like the earth hurtling through space, no, wait, that doesn't happen at all. Odd.