Earth is Flat

[Shrewd Manager]

By the same reasoning you would have to reject the New Testament.

Only if I hadn't had a personal experience with God. Many can't because pride prevents them, such as clinging to worldly things.

According to flat earth methodology, the horizon is always at eye level no matter what elevation you view the horizon from. If you make a water level so that you can clearly see where eye level is, it is always above the horizon, and the higher the elevation, the greater the distance above the horizon.

By that logic, the higher you go, the lower the horizon should get until you eventually see the whole stupid ball. But think about it, if the horizon is 360 degrees, and its arcing in front of you, what will you see when you turn around 180 degrees?

Btw, don't you love the use of water in spirit levels? Cause water always finds its level, eh. Find me a body of curved standing water.

 

[coffee4u]

I would consider this if on my flight from Florida to Phoenix I wasn't able to see the curve of the earth for myself but I have been high enough up to see if for myself. Its round.

Not unless you were on the Concord, aeroplane windows give a curved effect due to the thickness of glass. You need to be a lot higher than a regular flight goes to view the curvature.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

No, if you want to claim that the Bible is the "word of God" that would take some evidence.

The evidence is Jesus Christ, who is the way the truth and the life. Not good enough for you?

It is only the interpretation of some Christians.

Sure, find me just one scripture that supports a heliocentric big bang cosmos.

Lastly the snowglobe Earth is only your interpretation of the Bible.

Apparently not.

Gravity always does go in the same direction on Earth. It goes towards the center. Down is not the constant "down" that one feels on a limited plane. Since the Earth is so large at anyone location it looks as if "down" was always the same, but even on our limited scale of local object some man made objects have to account for the fact that the Earth is a globe.

Yes, you have no absolute direction, so there's no true 'up' or 'down' at all, just conventions. Hope that's working out for you.

I can find specific examples if you wish, but in engineering some spans they had to account for the curvature of the Earth and the fact that a support on one end of a very long bridge is pointing in a slightly different direction than one one the other end of a very long bridge.

Think you'll find that no large engineering infrastructure, be it bridges, train lines or whatever take curvature into account. This was the subject of a recent US court case where a flatearther offered a reward for anyone who could prove curvature. A disgruntled applicant challenged him in court and lost. How about that.

As to seeing the curve, the view from a typical airplane window is too limited to notice the curve, even at tens of thousands of feet. You might be able to see it from the front window if you had a straight edge to hold up to the horizon. You still won't notice it with the naked eye.

Of course, but the thousands of experiments done showing line of sight point to point on earth's predicted curvature using basic trig consistently show WE SEE TOO FAR. Now that's science. Here's just one example:

Your other points were addressed by Kinable at #71.

 

[Strathos]

How come it's possible to circumnavigate Antarctica with a trip distance of less than 14,000 miles?

 

[46AND2]

Lets see your map of the world. No good mate, it's horribly distorted, nothing is the right size or in the right place. That's what happens when you try to wrap a flat map around a ball.

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DING DING DING! You're right all MAPS are distorted. But GLOBES give the right proportions. You can scale a globe such that Greenland is the right relative size, at the same time as making the oceans all the right relative size....and well, pretty much everything the right relative size. The problem arises when you try to map a spherical object onto a 2D plane. That's why FE can't come up with an accurate map...cause the earth ain't flat.

With a globe, you can model the sun following the equator during the equinoxes AND rising and setting due east/west. Which you can't do on a flat earth. Where is the Curve, Flat-Earthers? It's geometrically impossible on a flat earth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Only if I hadn't had a personal experience with God. Many can't because pride prevents them, such as clinging to worldly things.



By that logic, the higher you go, the lower the horizon should get until you eventually see the whole stupid ball. But think about it, if the horizon is 360 degrees, and its arcing in front of you, what will you see when you turn around 180 degrees?

Btw, don't you love the use of water in spirit levels? Cause water always finds its level, eh. Find me a body of curved standing water.

Someone cannot reason in three dimensions m.

 

[prodromos]

And while you're there, why not ask the pilot if he has to dip the nose of the plane regularly to follow the curve. And learn about how a gyroscope works.

I know that you have been given the opportunity to learn how the artificial horizon in an aeroplane works, which means that you are either deliberately being deceitful or you are just too lazy to educate yourself.
I'll post the link again for your benefit, and for anyone else who may not be aware. It goes for less than 3 minutes

 

[46AND2]

And let's see your maps of the 'solar system', 'galaxy" and 'universe', while we're in fantasyland lol.

Not sure why you think this would be a good argument for your side...we can predict exactly where the next lunar eclipse will be able to be seen based on our maps of the solar system. We can predict what direction in the sky you have to look to see Neptune 20 years from now from whichever location on earth, or time of day you like.

 

[YesMe]

Not sure why you think this would be a good argument for your side...we can predict exactly where the next lunar eclipse will be able to be seen based on our maps of the solar system. We can predict what direction in the sky you have to look to see Neptune 20 years from now from whichever location on earth, or time of day you like.

The theory of flat Earth was and is promoted by NASA itself, showing us those strange glitches in their videos, why use wires to hold their bodies in space if there's no gravity?

I am not a flat Earth beliver, but I am curious about those glitches.

 

[prodromos]

Only if I hadn't had a personal experience with God. Many can't because pride prevents them, such as clinging to worldly things.

So you reject the testimony of people who have traveled to Antarctica and circumnavigated the continent simply because you haven't personally done so yourself. By the same token you validate many people's rejection of the truth of Scripture simply because they haven't had a personal encounter with God.

By that logic, the higher you go, the lower the horizon should get until you eventually see the whole stupid ball.

Indeed you do. Glad to finally see some sanity enter your posts.

But think about it, if the horizon is 360 degrees, and its arcing in front of you, what will you see when you turn around 180 degrees?

Why does this seem to be a problem for you. You will see the horizon arcing in front of you which ever way you face, and the higher you go, the tighter the arc will be until you reach a point where you can almost see exactly one half of the globe, just like all the images from the lunar missions.

Btw, don't you love the use of water in spirit levels? Cause water always finds its level, eh. Find me a body of curved standing water.

Post #66 is an example that has already been posted.
When it is high tide in Sydney, it is low tide off the coast of Brazil, and vice versa.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The evidence is Jesus Christ, who is the way the truth and the life. Not good enough for you?

Let's add evidence to the list of concepts that you do not understand. Jesus is neither evidence for or against a Flat Earth. Would you care to discuss the concept of evidence?

Sure, find me just one scripture that supports a heliocentric big bang cosmos.

The Bible is not a book of science. It gets quite a bit wrong if one reads it excessively literally. Why are you trying to refute your God?

Apparently not.

Poor interpretations of the Bible only reflect poorly on the interpreter. They are not evidence.

Yes, you have no absolute direction, so there's no true 'up' or 'down' at all, just conventions. Hope that's working out for you.

Up is away from the center. Have you ever heard of Polar Coordinates? Your math skills appear to be lacking. My model can be used to navigate around the world. Show me any navigator that relies upon a Flat Earth.

Think you'll find that no large engineering infrastructure, be it bridges, train lines or whatever take curvature into account. This was the subject of a recent US court case where a flatearther offered a reward for anyone who could prove curvature. A disgruntled applicant challenged him in court and lost. How about that.

I would suggest that you speak to an engineer. There are quite a few structures that take the curvature of the Earth into account. The Verrazano-Narrows bridge is one. You can read about it here:

Effect of Earth's Curvature on Suspension Bridge Dimensions

And the court case was thrown out on a technicality. The Flat Earther did not win on merits of his "science" .

Of course, but the thousands of experiments done showing line of sight point to point on earth's predicted curvature using basic trig consistently show WE SEE TOO FAR. Now that's science. Here's just one example:

Your other points were addressed by Kinable at #71.

No, what they show is that some days in certain locations we can see further than others. That is due to refraction when that occurs and the limit to how far we can see is always less than what the Flat Earth model predicts. And Flat Earthers also frequently forget to take into account the elevation of the observer when they make their claims. Nor do they seem to know how to use Earth curve calculator sites correctly.

i am sorry but you do not appear to understand what science is either. We can discuss the scientific method too, if you would like.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The theory of flat Earth was and is promoted by NASA itself, showing us those strange glitches in their videos, why use wires to hold their bodies in space if there's no gravity?

I am not a flat Earth beliver, but I am curious about those glitches.

There are no wires, only misinterpretations by the ignorant. And what glitches? Ask an expert on video transmission. "I don't understand" and then making up bogus explanations is not evidence.

 

[Freodin]

Here's a video that sums up why Antarctica is closed to the public, plus a few exposures of fraudulent videography. There's more detailed info on the Antarctic Treaty and the impossible red tape requirements for independent travel, if you like I'll give you the link. Somehow I don't think it'll do any good, having crossed paths with you before on the FE truth. TC from the channel actually tried to book himself on a cruise to Antarctica but the website wouldn't process his payment. Move along, nobody here but us penguins.

Consider: The USA has a very strict policy of entering the country. She has the largest military and navy in the world, plus additional policing groups tasked with controlling her borders.
The USA has a coastline of about 20.000 km. (Source: wikipedia. Note that measuring the length of coastlines is dependent on the scale of measuring... this value is relevant on a worldwide scale.) This includes all the islands and territories, and quite a lot of it is Alaska.
Still, with all this power, with all these controls, there is a rather sizable number of illegal entries into the continental USA, much of it from sea.

Antarctica has, even in the globe model, a coastline of 32,000 km... and this number would be a lot bigger in the Flat Earth model.

So, if someone really wanted to enter Antarctica... they would be able to do that. All the might of the US military is not enough to prevent people from illegally entering the USA... and any power that wanted to try that with Antarctica would have to be multitudes larger.
Going to the "Icewall" would be possible, even easy. Provided you wanted to do that.

But making videos on YouTube is so much simpler that putting your money where your mouth is.

 

[Freodin]

By that logic, the higher you go, the lower the horizon should get until you eventually see the whole stupid ball. But think about it, if the horizon is 360 degrees, and its arcing in front of you, what will you see when you turn around 180 degrees?

Not quite. (Why do Flerfs always get things wrong, even those they get right?)
The higher you get, the more you see of the globe. But you will never more than half of it (even slightly less). This has something to do with how three dimensions work... but Flerfs have really large difficulties to understand three-dimensionality.

Btw, don't you love the use of water in spirit levels? Cause water always finds its level, eh. Find me a body of curved standing water.

Have you ever seen a spirit level? Did you not notice that the water in a spirit level is curved?

 

[Shrewd Manager]

DING DING DING! You're right all MAPS are distorted. But GLOBES give the right proportions. You can scale a globe such that Greenland is the right relative size, at the same time as making the oceans all the right relative size....and well, pretty much everything the right relative size. The problem arises when you try to map a spherical object onto a 2D plane. That's why FE can't come up with an accurate map...cause the earth ain't flat.

Er, tell that to Captain Cook or any of the discoverers and charters of sea and land. They all used plane table surveying, and found their way around on the strength of flat charts and surveys.

You have the process upended. The 2D map is created first, and then projected onto a 3D ball. The cringe now is that they re-project it back on to a flat surface, doubling down on the distortion! But the original charts and surveys, they're flat and dead accurate. So ring a ding ding.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

I know that you have been given the opportunity to learn how the artificial horizon in an aeroplane works, which means that you are either deliberately being deceitful or you are just too lazy to educate yourself.
I'll post the link again for your benefit, and for anyone else who may not be aware. It goes for less than 3 minutes

Thanks, but vaccuum powered attitude indicators don't interest me, that's a fairly recent addition of the 'bells buzzers and whistles' variety. Gyroscopic fundamental principles do, however. Such as rigidity in space. Now that's gonna work against you if you're on a globe, but work just fine on a flat surface. On a globe, if you're level with the ground at the pole, you'll be flying perpendicular to the ground at the equator. Just how rigidity in space is. No good mate.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Not sure why you think this would be a good argument for your side...we can predict exactly where the next lunar eclipse will be able to be seen based on our maps of the solar system.

Eclipses are predicted according to the Saros Cycle, not heliocentric maths.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

They're not doing a bad job, don't you see the current state of the world? What do they promote in movies, games, shows, music? A lot of it is satanic and goes against what the bible teaches. Almost half of everyone I know has committed adultery, 90% of everyone I know believes in vengeance and violence. It's not just to lead people away from Christ but everything he stands for. I'll get banned if I explained it all, I'd be happy to email you a zip file with everything you need to know but I don't think you're ready for that kind of info. That video is a great start, trust me just watch it.

Welcome to CF Kinable, where most Christians can't stand the idea the cosmos is as described in scripture or the idea that God doesn't torture the many forever and a day.

Stay on the narrow path bro. God will always go further to save than the enemy can to destroy. And ain't His creation truly magnificent.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Eclipses are predicted according to the Saros Cycle, not heliocentric maths.

Not true. You are only considering when the eclipse would occur. The path of the Moon's shadow on the Earth is determined by the heliocentric model:

Saros (astronomy) - Wikipedia

And of course your model still cannot explain sunrises or sunsets, or how the Sun can sometimes light up clouds from underneath. Or the motion of the stars at night in the two hemispheres. The list of what Flerfers cannot explain that the globe model does explain is almost endless.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thanks, but vaccuum powered attitude indicators don't interest me, that's a fairly recent addition of the 'bells buzzers and whistles' variety. Gyroscopic fundamental principles do, however. Such as rigidity in space. Now that's gonna work against you if you're on a globe, but work just fine on a flat surface. On a globe, if you're level with the ground at the pole, you'll be flying perpendicular to the ground at the equator. Just how rigidity in space is. No good mate.

Oh, you mean gyroscopes of the sort that prove that the Earth is rotating. Bob Knodel, well known Flerfer, got his hands on one for the documentary Behind The Curve. He used it as a test for the rotating Earth. He noted that if the Earth rotates that there should be a fifteen degree per hour drift. Instead of trusting me let's watch Bob's work: