Most versions including the 1917 Jewish Publication Society English translation and the 225 BC LXX translate the word translated "unicorn" as "wild ox.".
Not really, I posted on that aspect of this conversation in the beginning of this thread, but you apparently missed it.
Oh and Unicorns are in the Bible also.
Most versions including the 1917 Jewish Publication Society English translation and the 225 BC LXX translate the word translated "unicorn" as "wild ox."
Yes - I believe they were real creatures.I believe dragons mentioned in the Bible like the Leviathan in Job is a real creature. .....What do you say?
And just where do we suppose people of a different region who have not read the book of Job came up with this idea. Perhaps it is simply the truth. We do not actually know when Job lived. Perhaps pre-flood. The creature is being spoken of by God so saying it is a myth is saying God speaks untruthes.No need to be insulting or condescending by telling me it would be easier for me to read the definition. Anyways, if you were to look at the context it says this creature (the Leviathan) breathed actual fire like a dragon.
19 "Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.
20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.
21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth."
(Job 41:19-21).
Also, the Leviathan also had scales (which dragons have) (Job 41:15); For his scales are so tough that harpoons and fishing spears cannot penetrate them (See Job 41:7) and his scales are like many shields fit together that cannot be parted (Job 41:15-17). It is suggested that this creature (Leviathan) can fly because God can play with this creature as if it was like a bird whereas Job cannot (See Job 41:5).
As usual your exposition is careless and your retort utterly unprovoked. I was just pitching into to what had the promise of an interesting thread. The immediate context it could be a crocodile or some other fearsome predator. What I was pointing out was the term was often used to speak of sea monsters. As far as it representing evil that's largely a matter of interpretation so don't scold me like a child, I don't appreciate the condescending tone. I never said this was a myth, only that the image was mythic, Phonecians were a sea faring people and their myths often included mythic monsters.Nowhere does the Bible suggest that the dragon (Leviathan) is a myth or symbol for evil. God actually talked about other creatures in the line up along with this creature. That is gross misinterpretation of Job 41 to assume that this creature is a myth. Is it because you cannot believe that such a creature could exist in real life? Can you not accept that dragons could be real? Is that the problem?
They are symbolic or metaphorical to a spirit, or spirits...I believe dragons mentioned in the Bible like the Leviathan in Job is a real creature. In fact, Satan is compared to a dragon. If a dragon was mythological, then God would have compared our adversary to something that was a myth or a lie. But I do not believe God would do that. Hence, why I believe dragons mentioned in the Bible are real creatures (or mentioned as a way of comparison).
What do you say?
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Hey, I resemble that remark.
The sea is symbolic of something as well...Leviathan Is Satan:
In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword Shall Punish Leviathan The Piercing Serpent, even Leviathan that crooked Serpent; and he shall Slay The Dragon that is in the sea.
• Isaiah 27:1
Can you draw out Leviathan with a hook,
Or snare his tongue with a line which you lower?
put a reed through his nose,
Or pierce his jaw with a hook?
Will he make many supplications to you?
Will he speak softly to you?
Will he Make A Covenant With you?
Will you take him as a servant forever?
• Job 41:1-4
Thats the concensus, it fits the narrative perfectly. Job wants to know why God is doing this to him, little did he know God had been bragging about him. In the context of Job it might be a crockodile, it depends on how you, 'rouse the leviathan'.Leviathan Is Satan:
In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword Shall Punish Leviathan The Piercing Serpent, even Leviathan that crooked Serpent; and he shall Slay The Dragon that is in the sea.
• Isaiah 27:1
Can you draw out Leviathan with a hook,
Or snare his tongue with a line which you lower?
put a reed through his nose,
Or pierce his jaw with a hook?
Will he make many supplications to you?
Will he speak softly to you?
Will he Make A Covenant With you?
Will you take him as a servant forever?
• Job 41:1-4
In Revelations to sea the beast rises out of is tribes, people, nations...The sea is symbolic of something as well...
God Bless!
O bother - now I am sorry I responded even though it was an attempt at humour....
Probably because like Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs etc. Job is among the books that are classed as poetry, prose, and wisdom literature. They are used to provide a message not necessarily a historical event.
Job is regarded as one of the oldest books in our Biblical canon and is dated to 1000 BC or earlier. At that time in human history literacy was limited to probably no more than 5% of the population --- the very rich and powerful classes.
Is this referring to Behemoth in Job 40?As for the beast of the Earth in Job: Which verse are you referring to?
Remember there was a point to the leviathan metaphor, will you tame him.and make him a pet for your children. If you try you will remember the experience for a very long time and you will never do it again. Rousing the leviathan is a curse, it's toying with the powers of the occult. The figurative language is meant to be dramatic, nothing indicating an actual sea monster, it's either the devil or in one passage, pharaohs and the context indicates exactly that.
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Could you show just where in the Creation narrative this wondrous beast could reside, it isn't mentioned in Genesis, as being something special of note.
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