Doubting Believer

[SteveB28]

After considering you statements again something came to light, if you believe that the universe came to be out of nothing and without normal scientific laws then the only explanation is that a supernatural act had to have happened.

And to think, Christians have been claiming for thousands of years that the universe was created by a supernatural act.

That's known as a false dichotomy. There is at least one other possibility - namely, that there other scientific explanations which have not yet been uncovered/examined.

 

[BL2KTN]

You would all do well to think about Steve's responses.

 

[Dave-W]

Hmmm. For some it always seems to boil down to "Anything but God."

 

[dlamberth]

Hmmm. For some it always seems to boil down to "Anything but God."

For some others, it's the "Nature of God."

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[ThinkForYourself]

Hmmm. For some it always seems to boil down to "Anything but God."

That is largely a mischaracterization.

For most in this category, it is remain skeptical until some evidence is produced.

Do you have any actual evidence that God created anything?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

You are His creation but until you come to Jesus you are not His child.

Cool.

According to some Christians, who have a close personal relationship with Jesus, I am God's child whether I believe or not.

I have never understood this. Do you think Jesus lied to them?

 

[revrobor]

No, I'm sorry. What you have done is to dance around that question. You've not addressed it.

What you mean is you haven't heard the answer you wanted.



That's a very easy 'out' sir. Whenever the questions become too difficult, just blame it on Satan?

Apparently you don't understand there are only two camps you can belong to and that's either God's camp or Satan's camp. There is no neutral camp.



Seems to me that 'forever' is a considerably long period of time to be doing nothing?

We don't know WHAT God was doing before creation but I'm certain He was not just sitting around doing nothing. You need to remember He is a Spirit so we can't attribute human characteristics to Him..

 

[revrobor]

Cool.

According to some Christians, who have a close personal relationship with Jesus, I am God's child whether I believe or not.

I have never understood this. Do you think Jesus lied to them?

No. They just don't know what they are talking about.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

No. They just don't know what they are talking about.

So how can I tell which Christians know what they are talking about and which ones don't?

 

[selfinflikted]

You need to remember He is a Spirit so we can't attribute human characteristics to Him..

Of course we can. Every single account of him doing anything in the Bible is an example of human characteristics.

 

[dlamberth]

You are His creation but until you come to Jesus you are not His child.

Every human being, regardless of their beliefs, or not, are Children of God. For a Lover of God to believe otherwise places a limit on the reach and breath of God and thus limits God.

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[revrobor]

Of course we can. Every single account of him doing anything in the Bible is an example of human characteristics.

That's because the human writers of the Bible knew no other way to describe what God was doing as He did what appeared to be human things.

 

[revrobor]

Every human being, regardless of their beliefs, or not, are Children of God. For a Lover of God to believe otherwise places a limit on the reach and breath of God and thus limits God.

You are mistaken. Those of us who have accepted His plan of salvation through His Son Jesus Christ are His children. All other humans are His creations. It may make you feel better to assume you are His child but you are not. You are in Satan's camp and need to change camps soon because there is not that much time left. Read Rev. 20 & 21.

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You are mistaken. Those of us who have accepted His plan of salvation through His Son Jesus Christ are His children. All other humans are His creations. It may make you feel better to assume you are His child but you are not. You are in Satan's camp and need to change camps soon because there is not that much time left. Read Rev. 20 & 21.

 

[selfinflikted]

That's because the human writers of the Bible knew no other way to describe what God was doing as He did what appeared to be human things.

How convenient for your argument.

 

[BL2KTN]

That's because the human writers of the Bible knew no other way to describe what God was doing as He did what appeared to be human things.

Then the bible is no better than it's errant, ignorant authors from the Bronze Age.

You are mistaken. Those of us who have accepted His plan of salvation through His Son Jesus Christ are His children. All other humans are His creations. It may make you feel better to assume you are His child but you are not. You are in Satan's camp and need to change camps soon because there is not that much time left. Read Rev. 20 & 21.

Pbth.

 

[dlamberth]

You are mistaken.

Nope, I don't think so. There is no way a human being can be a Creation of God and not be a Child of God. That would be like saying, for what ever reason, that my off spring that came from the fruit of my loins are not my children. Which wouldn't be true. All Human Beings are children of God. The trick is to see them as so.

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[selfinflikted]

Nope, I don't think so. There is no way a human being can be a Creation of God and not be a Child of God. That would be like saying, for what ever reason, that my off spring that came from the fruit of my loins are not my children. Which wouldn't be true. All Human Beings are children of God. The trick is to see them as so.

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Please. It's much easier on the ego to see "everyone else" as "for Satan" - it created an us vs them mentality, and that feeds the ego plus creates a needed enemy.

 

[revrobor]

Then the bible is no better than it's errant, ignorant authors from the Bronze Age.



Pbth.

Those who wrote what God inspired them to write did not live in the "bronze age" and were by no means ignorant. If you want to talk about ignorance look at some of the posts in this thread.

 

[revrobor]

Nope, I don't think so. There is no way a human being can be a Creation of God and not be a Child of God. That would be like saying, for what ever reason, that my off spring that came from the fruit of my loins are not my children. Which wouldn't be true. All Human Beings are children of God. The trick is to see them as so.

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God created mankind starting with Adam. Adam broke the relationship with God and all mankind since then (as descendants of Adam) have been separated from God because they were born in that sin. It was Jesus who restored that relationship for those who accept Him as their Savior. Those who do not remain separated from God and are not His children.

 

[BL2KTN]

Those who wrote what God inspired them to write did not live in the "bronze age" and were by no means ignorant. If you want to talk about ignorance look at some of the posts in this thread.

Wait a minute, I thought you said the authors of the bible didn't know how to describe Yahweh in accurate terms (you did)... but now you're saying that Yahweh inspired them to write inaccurate terms??? Odd.

By the way, speaking of ignorance, can you tell all of us what would happen if a single star were to hit Earth?