Don't tell ME it isn't a deviancy! . . . Catholics only, please.

[Ave Maria]

That would be correct .... So you do not have to think about it....

Oh okay thanks! Oh and you know what? I think "liberal" is a dirty word but that's just my opinion.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Good question. It is not the only serious sin that people care about when considering where to place a child. But when an organization is Catholic Charities and homosexuality is considered a mortal sin by Catholic Dogma, then for us, it is one of many serious sins to acknowledge and comprehend.

Homosexuality is a mortal sin against Catholic Dogma, just like adultery is and lying, cheating, stealing...

If a couple has a gambling problem and/or has an acholicism addiction and/or drug addiction/problem, as a Catholic adoption agency, in fair conscious, they could not allow this couple to adopt a child. The couple would first need to confess, repent and amend their lives. The problem with people who participate in the sin of homosexuality, is that they do not realize or comprehend, nor probably care, that they are in sin and need to confess, repent and amend their lives and so out of faithfulness to Catholic Dogma, Catholic Charities cannot allow homosexual couples to adopt.

I realize that this seems harsh and hurtful and I'm sorry and sadden for the pain and suffering that some have gone through due to the "system". I'm not sure what the answer is, but I do know that babies need love and a stable home with a mom and dad. Even in a separated/divorced home, a child still will have a mom and dad. In an same sex home, they truly only have either two moms or two dads. This is how I view it.

If people really cared about not placing children in homes where they would be told that something that is a sin according to the Catholic Church is not a sin, they would investigate whether the couple uses artificial birth control, whether the couple includes one or more people that was previously divorced and remarried. They would refuse to let anyone but Catholics adopt. The reality is people accept people adopting children where they will be told that somethings aren't sins. That they only use that argument here reveals that they oppose this for some other reason.

 

[Ave Maria]

If people really cared about not placing children in homes where they would be told that something that is a sin according to the Catholic Church is not a sin, they would investigate whether the couple uses artificial birth control, whether the couple includes one or more people that was previously divorced and remarried. They would refuse to let anyone but Catholics adopt. The reality is people accept people adopting children where they will be told that somethings aren't sins. That they only use that argument here reveals that they oppose this for some other reason.

I personally think that homosexuality is a much worse sin than using birth control. Yes, they are both mortal sins and so they are both very very bad sins but being in a homosexual relationship is just worse than birth control usage in my opinion.

 

[Gwendolyn]

Hi all!The only issue I am addressing is the factual claims that

1. Same sex couples routinely or habitually abuse or kill children.

Hi CaDan,

With regard to #1, I'm not entirely sure that Wols was trying to say that same-sex couples "routinely or habitually abuse or kill children". The same could be said for heterosexual couples, and it would not make sense to quote such an article as some sort of "proof" that same-sex adoptions are wrong. However, what I took from the article was the difficulty of the situation which gave birth to the violence - the mother's partner asking the child to call her "daddy", etc. Of course, I am not Wolseley... perhaps he will come back to comment at some point.

I hope you got some work done

Mean people suck? No, original sin sucks. Human depravity causes us to do evil even when, to the naked eye, evil looks like good.

LOL Michelle. For some reason that comment made me laugh out loud... probably because I am presently writing a paper tracing the development of the doctrine/dogma of Original Sin from Augustine to Trent. Haha.

 

[Debi1967]

If people really cared about not placing children in homes where they would be told that something that is a sin according to the Catholic Church is not a sin, they would investigate whether the couple uses artificial birth control, whether the couple includes one or more people that was previously divorced and remarried. They would refuse to let anyone but Catholics adopt. The reality is people accept people adopting children where they will be told that somethings aren't sins. That they only use that argument here reveals that they oppose this for some other reason.

The fact is we do not know the other procedures they use to determine anything so we cannot speculate here ....

All we do know is that right now Catholic Charities has had to shut down several adoption agencies because of the conviction to uphold to our religious beliefs on Homosexuality and that is all and that is what we are talking bout nothing more .... So therefore you want to put the whole of the Church on trial in here when you cannot even factually tell us what their standards are is a little bit out of the realm of logic

 

[Gwendolyn]

I personally think that homosexuality is a much worse sin than using birth control. Yes, they are both mortal sins and so they are both very very bad sins but being in a homosexual relationship is just worse than birth control usage in my opinion.

When you use contraception you are attempting to deprive your body of its natural reproductive function...

Just a thought.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Again, why do you assume that because I say X is bad, that I then think Y must be good? Or that I ignore Y. You completely missed the point of my post. My point was that in foster homes and in homosexual homes, children face different types of dangers, and how can we determine which are worse? Also, that one being bad does not de facto make the other good. Your response to me implies that you think I would knowingly place a child in a physically abusive home instead of a homosexual home (as in, I only care about one type of sin). I said nothing of the sort. I do not know what I would do, I'd likely look for a 3rd option, but I certainly wouldn't go around pretending that being raised with 2 daddies is beneficial for a child's soul and psychological development.

My reply assumes that you would place children in a home where one or both spouses was previously married (unless you would say that is not a serious sin).

Being in the limbo of the foster care system does measurable harm to children. Being raised by homosexual parents does not measurably affect a child's development.

 

[Ave Maria]

When you use contraception you are attempting to deprive your body of its natural reproductive function...

Just a thought.

I know this. But what is your point? I do consider birth control usage to be a very serious sin but I just personally think homosexuality is worse.

 

[Debi1967]

My reply assumes that you would place children in a home where one or both spouses was previously married (unless you would say that is not a serious sin).

Being in the limbo of the foster care system does measurable harm to children. Being raised by homosexual parents does not measurably affect a child's development.

The Church has determined otherwise as far as their spiritual health is concerned period end of the argument

 

[Perceivence]

So I can't even discuss things in this form as I could've in OBOB?

Oh well.

*reclines in chair*

CaDan, I don't like ice cream. D'ya have anything else to munch on?

 

[CaDan]

"But still it moves".

 

[Debi1967]

"But still it moves".

*Debi looks at CaDan and shakes her head*

Now CaDan you and I have to have a chat here, because this is a serious topic and it is a little hard to maintain being serious when you keep coming in and making me ROFL....

Be Good now will ya, PLEASE!

 

[CaDan]

So I can't even discuss things in this form as I could've in OBOB?

Oh well.

*reclines in chair*

CaDan, I don't like ice cream. D'ya have anything else to munch on?

I got a couple of rice cakes. I think they're a little stale, though.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

I am not familiar with everything they do, but will guess that they do not permit atheists to adopt either.

Since Massachusetts anti-discimination law covers religion as well as sexual orientation, Catholic Charities would not have been able to discriminate against prospective parents because of their religion.

 

[ps139]

Being raised by homosexual parents does not measurably affect a child's development.

Only because we are incapable of precisely measuring such things.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

I personally think that homosexuality is a much worse sin than using birth control. Yes, they are both mortal sins and so they are both very very bad sins but being in a homosexual relationship is just worse than birth control usage in my opinion.

The rhetoric used by several here does not leave open the possibility of degrees.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Only because we are incapable of precisely measuring such things.

Perhaps. I also grant that spiritual development is probably impossible to measure.

 

[CaDan]

Only because we are incapable of precisely measuring such things.

Thus, we should refrain from making factual claims about such things.

Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

 

[ps139]

Thus, we should refrain from making factual claims about such things.

Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

CaDan, how does "we cannot precisely measure such things" equate to "we cannot speak of them."

Only material things can be precisely measured. All immaterial things cannot be , at least by us.

But we can know "good" from "bad," and right from wrong. We cannot precisely measure them, and if we remained silent about them the world would be in a lot worse shape than it is currently in.

 

[CaDan]

CaDan, how does "we cannot precisely measure such things" equate to "we cannot speak of them."

Only material things can be precisely measured. All immaterial things cannot be , at least by us.

But we can know "good" from "bad," and right from wrong. We cannot precisely measure them, and if we remained silent about them the world would be in a lot worse shape than it is currently in.

The problem comes in when we drift from claims about ethical and spritual things to claims about factual matters.