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That would be valid if everyone who had the same conditions experienced the same lack of success but that is not the case.If one grows up with a disadvantage, then one is disadvantaged. It’s not “claiming a victim status” to not be able to keep up with people who have a much easier time succeeding.
Being disadvantaged doesn’t mean that any number of good things can’t happen that may allow success, or that someone who is born with exceptional talent or drive won’t have an easier time. It simply means disadvantaged. People born into poverty are less likely to be successful, period.That would be valid if everyone who had the same conditions experienced the same lack of success but that is not the case.
The OP of this thread was all about "white priviledge" and "affirmative action"I never said anything about affirmative action, so I don't know what your post has to do with mine.
I responded to your post showing that I disagreed with you on that particular point.You can still win if you're black and lose if you're white, but if you're white, your chances of winning are significantly higher.
Our nation was built by people who born into poverty. It is not uncommon for people to come to this country and rise from poverty to financial success.Being disadvantaged doesn’t mean that any number of good things can’t happen that may allow success, or that someone who is born with exceptional talent or drive won’t have an easier time. It simply means disadvantaged. People born into poverty are less likely to be successful, period.
Really? How?
For example, as the study in post 56 shows, choosing to not to pick a "white-sounding" name for their child is a choice parents make which means their child is less likely to get job interviews.Advantages may have some cultural links to them, but I think it really boils down to individual choices of both parents and children.
evidence that a problem exists? This thread is full of such evidence. You don't like it so you disregard it but that isn't logical at all is it?
try demonstrating your position is true rather than just denying realityWrong
Evidence?That would be valid if everyone who had the same conditions experienced the same lack of success but that is not the case.
only 4 % of those born into poverty will ever make it out and become that "financial success" Ref 'Moving on Up' Pew Charitable Trust study of Poverty 2013Our nation was built by people who born into poverty. It is not uncommon for people to come to this country and rise from poverty to financial success.
Post 139 contains false assumptions that don't hold up, See post #153Well for me, first hand experience. I’ve lived in both areas but post 139 also confirms this.
Just wanted to introduce a bit of actual data the discussion.Yes, that happens. I thought I mentioned that whites have an advantage in other hiring situations in that very post.
Three things:A poor unconnected white person can have less opportunities than a poor unconnected black person, because of affirmative action.
The affirmative action bit was my point. I never said it was anything that you said.
Yes, I can see there is a difference. But I think my point is still illustrated. I grew up lower middle class, and one things my parents instilled in me was a deep and humble awareness of the fact that many kids didn’t have what we have, and not to take what we had for granted. Perhaps that was a middle class oblige LOL.
Anyway, as someone who learned about the concept of white privilege from educators, that is very much how it is taught and how it feels.
Is Noblesse oblige about guilt though, or just awareness?
The problem comes in when you go around “accusing” others of white privilege instead of looking simply at oneself, and when it is misrepresented and mischaracterized by people who don’t understand the concept.
For example, as the study in post 56 shows, choosing to not to pick a "white-sounding" name for their child is a choice parents make which means their child is less likely to get job interviews.
No one else could possibly be at fault in such a situation. It is strictly about the "cultural" aspects of a certain minority group.
Probably has something to do with thug culture or rap music, too.
Yes you are correct, there are other disparities. In families of multiple children, there a "typical" roles that develop between siblings. The oldest child is most often the "hero" or "mascot." Often in large families, the eldest child becomes responsible for their younger siblings. They become almost like an "assistant manager" of the family doling out discipline, making bro and sis do their chores, telling them to be quiet when mom has a headache. Protecting them from bullies. Giving "love advice" etc. It basically can train them to think like a manager organically.First of all....I've never said anything was anyone's fault for being stupid. You made that up completely.
Secondly, if you're interested in disparities....why aren't we looking at disparities between asians and blacks on all those issues? They're even bigger than the disparity between whites and blacks.
Thirdly, why are we looking at disparities at all? If we look at outcomes for the 1st and 2nd born sons of families....they're wildly different. 40+% of CEOs are firstborn. 2nd born sons have lower educational outcomes and are more likely to go to prison.
That's despite the fact that they grow up in the same families, go to the same schools, etc.
I suppose we could assume that 1st born sons are oppressing 2nd born sons....
Or you know, you don't have any clue what you're talking about.
Yes, there can be affirmative action. But this is considered to be needed . . . because of how white privilege does exist.That's how affirmative action works in the United States. It purports to exist to even the playing field and help disadvantaged people of color, but in reality it discriminates against white people, including genuinely disadvantaged white people. It's very unfair. And people say "white privilege" exists.
Sure, it happens. But overall our country does not have good upward mobility the way it used to.Our nation was built by people who born into poverty. It is not uncommon for people to come to this country and rise from poverty to financial success.
The median income for families that live in mobile homes is about $30,000 a year. Ref Washington Post Feb 2019
Then median income for families living in poverty is $19,000 a year Ref the Health and Human Services Department
Such premises reminded me of a tweet from Ms. Klacik from a few days ago.
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