Does white privilege exist in the US?

Does white privilege exist in the US?

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To operate your company based on racist hiring practices is illegal for whites or blacks. That doesn't mean that certain individuals who are in charge of hiring and/or promoting don't have racial or ethnic bias.
And it doesn’t mean just because the hiring person is white that they are racially biased against non-whites.
From your post, I get the impression that you think racism does not exist or it affects everyone the same way.
You’ve got the wrong impression
Do you think that all of the problems the black community faces are self-inflicted? If so, when did blacks start acting against their own interests and why? Is it like the Aryan Nation and those people who say, blacks are just inherently immoral due to genetics, less intelligent, and violent?
I think there is a culture that too many black people adopt that puts them at a disadvantage. A culture that tells law abiding citizens to not snitch to the police when they see crimes being committed, a culture that glamorizes athletic ability, while criticizes academic achievement as “acting white”; even Obama commented on this culture in his democratic convention speech.

Charles Barkley said when he gives speeches to high schools, he asks the same question; how many want to become professional athletes. he said at all the white schools 10% of the high school students raise their hands; the vast majority want to be doctors, lawyers, business owners, etc, but at the black schools 90% of the students raise their hands wanting to be athletes. Do you see anything wrong with this picture?

The average black household has 1/10th the wealth of the average white household, yet black people wear more expensive clothes than whites, wear more expensive jewelry than whites, more likely to drive luxury cars with expensive accessories (customized sound system, wheels etc) and other things that hold no value and less likely to invest in things that build wealth do you see a problem with this?

Some of the most popular music and movies glamorizes irresponsible sex while in the real world 3 out of 4 black babies are born out to single mothers. Single motherhood is the most common reason for poverty. do you see a problem with this?

Homicide is the #1 cause of death for black men all the other demographics it’s heart disease, and most of those deaths are from black killing other blacks. Do you see a problem with this? And don’t go blaming it on trauma from slavery, because 100 years ago, black people didn’t have these problems; yeah we had problems back then, but they were other problems; not as much self inflicted like we have today
 
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You don't remember our last president calling illegal immigrants rapists and calling black people lazy? There is audio/video footage of this and he was the supposed leader of the free world.
Can you provide a link of him saying this?
 
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The same for black people

As a Black man, I received a better education than many poor white people I know of; better education means more job opportunities.

According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, there are more white people in prison than all other races combined
BOP Statistics: Inmate Race

Are you under the impression all black and hispanic people live that way? Or are you aware there are black and hispanic people who live in just as nice and safe neighborhoods as you live in.

I think there is a huge black population that is the new "silent majority".
 
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And it doesn’t mean just because the hiring person is white that they are racially biased against non-whites.

You’ve got the wrong impression

I think there is a culture that too many black people adopt that puts them at a disadvantage. A culture that tells law abiding citizens to not snitch to the police when they see crimes being committed, a culture that glamorizes athletic ability, while criticizes academic achievement as “acting white”; even Obama commented on this culture in his democratic convention speech.

Charles Barkley said when he gives speeches to high schools, he asks the same question; how many want to become professional athletes. he said at all the white schools 10% of the high school students raise their hands; the vast majority want to be doctors, lawyers, business owners, etc, but at the black schools 90% of the students raise their hands wanting to be athletes. Do you see anything wrong with this picture?

The average black household has 1/10th the wealth of the average white household, yet black people wear more expensive clothes than whites, wear more expensive jewelry than whites, more likely to drive luxury cars with expensive accessories (customized sound system, wheels etc) and other things that hold no value and less likely to invest in things that build wealth do you see a problem with this?

Some of the most popular music and movies glamorizes irresponsible sex while in the real world 3 out of 4 black babies are born out to single mothers. Single motherhood is the most common reason for poverty. do you see a problem with this?

Homicide is the #1 cause of death for black men all the other demographics it’s heart disease, and most of those deaths are from black killing other blacks. Do you see a problem with this? And don’t go blaming it on trauma from slavery, because 100 years ago, black people didn’t have these problems; yeah we had problems back then, but they were other problems; not as much self inflicted like we have today

You are a "voice crying in the wilderness". :oldthumbsup:
 
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I do believe racism exists in the US. I don't believe white people are the majority of the perpetuators of it.

I do believe in some areas blacks will see more scrutiny from the police than white people. I don't doubt for a second that black people have been stopped for driving while black in some places.

But I don't believe it is the majority of places. I also believe there are reasons for this. The validity of the reasons may be questionable.

But I don't believe white privilege is that rampant of a thing. Particularly when it comes to opportunities for success in the US. All people have the same opportunities as everyone else. You just have to take advantage of them.
 
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Charles Barkley said when he gives speeches to high schools, he asks the same question; how many want to become professional athletes. he said at all the white schools 10% of the high school students raise their hands; the vast majority want to be doctors, lawyers, business owners, etc, but at the black schools 90% of the students raise their hands wanting to be athletes. Do you see anything wrong with this picture?

The average black household has 1/10th the wealth of the average white household, yet black people wear more expensive clothes than whites, wear more expensive jewelry than whites, more likely to drive luxury cars with expensive accessories (customized sound system, wheels etc) and other things that hold no value and less likely to invest in things that build wealth do you see a problem with this?

Some of the most popular music and movies glamorizes irresponsible sex while in the real world 3 out of 4 black babies are born out to single mothers. Single motherhood is the most common reason for poverty. do you see a problem with this?

Homicide is the #1 cause of death for black men all the other demographics it’s heart disease, and most of those deaths are from black killing other blacks. Do you see a problem with this? And don’t go blaming it on trauma from slavery, because 100 years ago, black people didn’t have these problems; yeah we had problems back then, but they were other problems; not as much self inflicted like we have today
Yes, I saw this first hand when I worked in the public school system. I would ask students what they are going to do when they grow up and it was the same NBA or a rapper.

I actually agree with pretty much everything you are saying here.

There is a self-destructive culture at work in our communities. People dying over a street that they don't even own.

I'm sure you know that if the successfully run black gangs could stop murdering each other and establish some kind of organization on a national level (like all other ethnic gangs), the violence could stop and communities could police themselves. The Panthers did all of this, built schools and daycare centers as well as employment agencies. That was until the leadership was assassinated and locked up systematically.

How do you get millions of young people to change their ways? How do you turn poor communities into affluent ones? How do you break the cycle of sex, drugs, and violence that is spread all over the nation?

I think we can agree that racism does exist but it is an individual's responsibility to overcome their obstacles.

What do we do with family members and friends who are caught in the cycle of sex (baby-making), drugs (addiction and selling), and violence (domestic and gang-related)? Lock them all up? Is there any hope of rehabilitation for these people?
 
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Can you provide a link of him saying this?
'Laziness is a trait in Blacks'

The statement attributed to Trump – that he said “laziness is a trait in Blacks” – was published in the 1991 book "Trumped!", written by a former employee of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, John R. O’Donnell. There has been no verification of the statement outside the book’s claim. The Washington Post described the phrase as “a second hand quote, made in a private conversation and written some years after the fact” and said it should be viewed with “some skepticism.”

Trump did not dispute the quote when asked about it in 1997, but denied it two years later in an interview on "Meet the Press."
 
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'Laziness is a trait in Blacks'

The statement attributed to Trump – that he said “laziness is a trait in Blacks” – was published in the 1991 book "Trumped!", written by a former employee of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, John R. O’Donnell. There has been no verification of the statement outside the book’s claim. The Washington Post described the phrase as “a second hand quote, made in a private conversation and written some years after the fact” and said it should be viewed with “some skepticism.”

Trump did not dispute the quote when asked about it in 1997, but denied it two years later in an interview on "Meet the Press."

Lack of motivation might be mistaken for laziness.
 
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Yes, I saw this first hand when I worked in the public school system. I would ask students what they are going to do when they grow up and it was the same NBA or a rapper.

I actually agree with pretty much everything you are saying here.

There is a self-destructive culture at work in our communities. People dying over a street that they don't even own.

I'm sure you know that if the successfully run black gangs could stop murdering each other and establish some kind of organization on a national level (like all other ethnic gangs), the violence could stop and communities could police themselves. The Panthers did all of this, built schools and daycare centers as well as employment agencies. That was until the leadership was assassinated and locked up systematically.

How do you get millions of young people to change their ways? How do you turn poor communities into affluent ones? How do you break the cycle of sex, drugs, and violence that is spread all over the nation?

I think we can agree that racism does exist but it is an individual's responsibility to overcome their obstacles.

What do we do with family members and friends who are caught in the cycle of sex (baby-making), drugs (addiction and selling), and violence (domestic and gang-related)? Lock them all up? Is there any hope of rehabilitation for these people?

The 'gangsta' lifestyle is a valid alternative for young black men, financed by selling drugs. Without the drug business the 'street' wouldn't be so attractive. If we could do the drug war properly (lock up the dealers, hospitalize the addicts) we could turn this around.
 
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The 'gangsta' lifestyle is a valid alternative for young black men, financed by selling drugs. Without the drug business the 'street' wouldn't be so attractive. If we could do the drug war properly (lock up the dealers, hospitalize the addicts) we could turn this around.
The gang phenomenon offers a quick and easy way to make money and to stay safe from their protection (except when they get shot). If an older brother, father, uncle, cousin joins up, sometimes a younger member of the family has no choice but to follow that lead. I have seen it personally where an older brother joins up in order to gain access to the black market and protection the younger brother has no choice but to join up and watch his back.

In a gang-infested part of the city and even in small towns, it can become a matter of survival to join up or risk be victimized by your neighborhood's gang. The better choice becomes joining and getting money illegally. All ethnicities have this underground but for some reason, the black gangs are constantly at war rather than getting together and electing a hierarchy like the Italians, Irish, Jewish, Asian, and some of the Latin organizations. Constant warfare destroys communities rather than unifying and setting up a national/international syndicate.
 
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The gang phenomenon offers a quick and easy way to make money and to stay safe from their protection (except when they get shot). If an older brother, father, uncle, cousin joins up, sometimes a younger member of the family has no choice but to follow that lead. I have seen it personally where an older brother joins up in order to gain access to the black market and protection the younger brother has no choice but to join up and watch his back.

In a gang-infested part of the city and even in small towns, it can become a matter of survival to join up or risk be victimized by your neighborhood's gang. The better choice becomes joining and getting money illegally. All ethnicities have this underground but for some reason, the black gangs are constantly at war rather than getting together and electing a hierarchy like the Italians, Irish, Jewish, Asian, and some of the Latin organizations. Constant warfare destroys communities rather than unifying and setting up a national/international syndicate.

That's a function of the drug trade. Remove the drugs and that dynamic changes. Turf wars aren't fought over theft, burglary, assault, prostitution, etc.
 
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“Slaves in the past were captured by force; today’s slaves surrender themselves. The masters are the same old folk (who are now more civilized) who would not lift a hand against a fellow human being! They have established economic systems that perpetuate their superiority so the poor are blamed either for their laziness or their fate.”
― Bangambiki Habyarimana, Book of Wisdom


I do believe racism exists in the US. I don't believe white people are the majority of the perpetuators of it.

I do believe in some areas blacks will see more scrutiny from the police than white people. I don't doubt for a second that black people have been stopped for driving while black in some places.

But I don't believe it is the majority of places. I also believe there are reasons for this. The validity of the reasons may be questionable.

But I don't believe white privilege is that rampant of a thing. Particularly when it comes to opportunities for success in the US. All people have the same opportunities as everyone else. You just have to take advantage of them.

1) It wasn't until 1964, 56 years ago that it was legal for a "Black American" to be married outside their race with a "White American" - in 19 states!

2) With the introduction of "Jim Crow" laws, "Black Americans" were forced to struggle for approximately 100 years just to regain the same rights that had been bestowed on them immediately after the Civil War!

3) The introduction of Civil Rights legislation by Democrats in the 1960's spit the Party - under the leadership of Goldwater and Nixon, the Republicans took advantage through the introduction of their "Southern Strategy" which encouraged disaffected "white-segregationist" Democrats to shift their allegiances to the GOP!

4) "But I don't believe white privilege is that rampant of a thing. Particularly when it comes to opportunities for success in the US. All people have the same opportunities as everyone else. You just have to take advantage of them."

Apparently "Black Americans," as a racial group, much prefer to be poor, live in ghettos, constitute a disproportionate % of the nation's prison population and steadfastly refuse to take advantage of the opportunities made available to them!

This is reminiscent of the pre-Civil War days where "white" slave-owners argued that it was their Christian duty to care for those who lacked the mental capacity to make the appropriate decisions for themselves!
 
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'Laziness is a trait in Blacks'

The statement attributed to Trump – that he said “laziness is a trait in Blacks” – was published in the 1991 book "Trumped!", written by a former employee of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, John R. O’Donnell. There has been no verification of the statement outside the book’s claim. The Washington Post described the phrase as “a second hand quote, made in a private conversation and written some years after the fact” and said it should be viewed with “some skepticism.”

Trump did not dispute the quote when asked about it in 1997, but denied it two years later in an interview on "Meet the Press."
So some guy wrote a book claiming Trump said this or that? Yeah; I’m skeptical. If you remember back when Jesse Jackson was running for president back in the 1980’s it is my understand that Trump was one of his major donators putting forth effort to get this country it’s first black president 25 years before Obama. If Trump hated black people as much as his enemies claim he does, why was he working with Jesse Jackson and his Rainbow collation, and supporting Jackson’s bid for the White House? Below is a video of Jackson giving Trump an award.

 
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“Slaves in the past were captured by force; today’s slaves surrender themselves. The masters are the same old folk (who are now more civilized) who would not lift a hand against a fellow human being! They have established economic systems that perpetuate their superiority so the poor are blamed either for their laziness or their fate.”
― Bangambiki Habyarimana, Book of Wisdom




1) It wasn't until 1964, 56 years ago that it was legal for a "Black American" to be married outside their race with a "White American" - in 19 states!

2) With the introduction of "Jim Crow" laws, "Black Americans" were forced to struggle for approximately 100 years just to regain the same rights that had been bestowed on them immediately after the Civil War!

3) The introduction of Civil Rights legislation by Democrats in the 1960's spit the Party - under the leadership of Goldwater and Nixon, the Republicans took advantage through the introduction of their "Southern Strategy" which encouraged disaffected "white-segregationist" Democrats to shift their allegiances to the GOP!

4) "But I don't believe white privilege is that rampant of a thing. Particularly when it comes to opportunities for success in the US. All people have the same opportunities as everyone else. You just have to take advantage of them."

Apparently "Black Americans," as a racial group, much prefer to be poor, live in ghettos, constitute a disproportionate % of the nation's prison population and steadfastly refuse to take advantage of the opportunities made available to them!

This is reminiscent of the pre-Civil War days where "white" slave-owners argued that it was their Christian duty to care for those who lacked the mental capacity to make the appropriate decisions for themselves!

Blah blah blah... Heard it all before. You now it's not the 1950s anymore.

There is nothing that prevents black Americans from pursuing their opportunities. They can graduate high school, get a job, go to college. They don't have to live in the ghettos if they don't want to. They can move and live anywhere they want to.

So what's stopping them from going to school, getting an education? What's stopping them from being plumbers, doctors, lawyers, teachers, police officers, electricians or engineers?
 
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4) "But I don't believe white privilege is that rampant of a thing. Particularly when it comes to opportunities for success in the US. All people have the same opportunities as everyone else. You just have to take advantage of them."

The opportunities afforded by the equal rights acts of the 1960's are still pretty new to blacks. They are still enjoying the freedom from the oppression that afflicted them in the past, and thus haven't taken full advantage of them. However, their enjoyment has become a way of life that doesn't lend itself to success in the areas favored by whites and others, which is the very 'success' that they believe is being withheld from them through institutional racism and white privilege.


22001"]Apparently "Black Americans," as a racial group, much prefer to be poor, live in ghettos, constitute a disproportionate % of the nation's prison population and steadfastly refuse to take advantage of the opportunities made available to them![/QUOTE]

Regrettably this is a way of life chosen, for various reasons, by a large fraction of the black community.
 
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So what's stopping them from going to school, getting an education? What's stopping them from being plumbers, doctors, lawyers, teachers, police officers, electricians or engineers?

Many if not most are profitably employed in these and other professions. It's the persistent subculture that can't seem to move upward. What is needed is for middle and upper class blacks to make greater efforts to lift their brothers out of poverty.

For example there are scarcely more than three dozen black owned banks whose intent is to provide capital for business and other loans to the black community. Their combined assets are a paltry $5Billion. In the past some have failed because of fraud, others are or have been under investigation. Because of this most well-off blacks shun these banks. When it come to interracial financial matters there is great distrust within the black community. This problem must be solved if blacks are going to build the capital needed for progress, in all their areas of need.
 
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Many if not most are profitably employed in these and other professions. It's the persistent subculture that can't seem to move upward. What is needed is for middle and upper class blacks to make greater efforts to lift their brothers out of poverty.

For example there are scarcely more than three dozen black owned banks whose intent is to provide capital for business and other loans to the black community. Their combined assets are a paltry $5Billion. In the past some have failed because of fraud, others are or have been under investigation. Because of this most well-off blacks shun these banks. When it come to interracial financial matters there is great distrust within the black community. This problem must be solved if blacks are going to build the capital needed for progress, in all their areas of need.
I think the problem with most well-off blacks attempting to help blacks that are less well off, is those blacks who are well-off are trying to compete against white people in the same business who are just as well off, who are not being held back trying to help poor whites.
If I’m racing against you, and I have a slower person holding me back but you don’t, you’re gonna beat me. If I am a black bank owner, and you are a white bank owner, and I am trying to help poor blacks who don’t qualify to get a loan from you, I have taken on the responsibility of dealing with high risk clients; which means my interest rate is gonna be much higher than yours, meaning blacks (and whites) who are well off will go to your bank for a loan over mine because your rates are lower. To do this I will be putting myself at a disadvantage when competing against you.
I have all the admiration in the world for those who have made it and use their success to help others, but I also understand those who have made it who do not.
 
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So some guy wrote a book claiming Trump said this or that? Yeah; I’m skeptical. If you remember back when Jesse Jackson was running for president back in the 1980’s it is my understand that Trump was one of his major donators putting forth effort to get this country it’s first black president 25 years before Obama. If Trump hated black people as much as his enemies claim he does, why was he working with Jesse Jackson and his Rainbow collation, and supporting Jackson’s bid for the White House? Below is a video of Jackson giving Trump an award.

I never said Trump hated black people. You can believe you are superior to someone without hating them. Still, I believe the guy. Trump paid out a substantial fine for discriminating against blacks in his rental units. The agent was supposed to put a certain mark on black people's applications.

That Jesse Jackson Trump alliance was all about money. Look deeper into it. Trump is not a philanthropist. His foundation was busted for all kinds of fraud.
 
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Blah blah blah... Heard it all before. You now it's not the 1950s anymore.

There is nothing that prevents black Americans from pursuing their opportunities. They can graduate high school, get a job, go to college. They don't have to live in the ghettos if they don't want to. They can move and live anywhere they want to.

So what's stopping them from going to school, getting an education? What's stopping them from being plumbers, doctors, lawyers, teachers, police officers, electricians or engineers?
Just take one sociology class and you will learn why the poor stay poor. Do you think a person with college-graduate parents has a better or worse chance of going to college than a person who's parents have no education?

My mom and dad lived under segregation and I'm a Genx'er. It wasn't all that long ago. Many many people are still alive who marched with Dr. King. Did an entire nation change its culture 180 degrees in one generation? Racism has now been erased from the face of the Earth? Cool

What stops many blacks is the same thing that stops many poor whites. bad neighborhoods, bad schools, bad relationships, and bad role models. An uneducated person can not educate another person. Life gets messy for many children who did not ask to be born in a messed-up situation. The gifted, talented, and driven people get through it but many don't rise above their challenges.
 
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