Does The Third Temple...

[Shocker]

If we are NOT near 6000 yrs since creation, does that disprove your theory of the timing of these events abd your eschatology?

The events have begun.

If we are not in the 6000 year mark when it happens, it just means I would be wrong about the age of the earth relative to Gods plan.

With me?

 

[Notrash]

I dont know what you mean by gloom and doom.

If by the end of the world and return of Christ, you mean gloom and doom, then I dont share the sentiment.
Usually when I talk about the end times or coming of Christ, people who dont believe in Christ call it "doom and gloom".
If you harbor any fear of what is coming, then that might be a salvific issue.. Christians fear God, nothing else..
Im not saying you dont, but I dont understand why a Christian would call the final coming of Christ "doom and gloom"
That is what happens in the end, Christ will come. And hes coming for you hopefully..
It really calls for excitement..

In my world, the justified, the recievers, resurrected, the quickened etc call this life, and the next, GOOD. The embittered or misindoctrinated look for and preach its "end"; a salvic issue.???

Read again the points of my entry post into this discussiion. I added one while you were responding.

This will be all for today.

 

[Notrash]

The events have begun.

If we are not in the 6000 year mark when it happens, it just means I would be wrong about the age of the earth relative to Gods plan.

With me?

If wrong in PART of the basis of your support, could you be wrong about other aspects?

 

[Shocker]

In my world, the justified, the recievers, resurrected, the quickened etc call this life, and the next, GOOD. The embittered or misindoctrinated look for and preach its "end"; a salvic issue.???

Read again the points of my entry post into this discussiion. I added one while you were responding.

This will be all for today.

Don't run off so fast friend..

Christ commands us to be mindful of the events..

Mar_13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

Mar_13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Luk_21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.


Joh_14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

 

[parousia70]

The world was created and will in fact exist forever, as it is written.

You are correct.

And you also agree that Human generations are perpetual?

Please show me the scripture that supports the length of your "watch in the night"

I can easily accept that if you show it to me

Matt 14:25 Now in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went to them, walking on the sea.

If a Night can broken up into 4 "watches", and a Night can last around 12 hours, 12 divided by 4 = 3

I look forward to your easy acceptance of this scriptural fact.

 

[Shocker]

If wrong in PART of the basis of your support, could you be wrong about other aspects?

The age of the earth thing is something I believe for myself, I cant teach it as absolute truth because I just dont know.

Just like I dont know when exactly Christ is coming, but I believe I have strong scriptural evidence to believe he is.


If you dont agree with that, that's perfectly fine, I want you to come to truth on your own, and not let me influence you by what I say.

If you find value in my understanding of doctrine, then good, if not, keep searching, please.

Could I be wrong about everything I know? Sure, Im not God..

Let God be true and every man a liar, as it is written.


You really have to at some point show me objective biblical discernment that disproves what I say.


I am trying to show what the Bible says, so clearly.

Preterists are seemingly always trying to tell people what the Bible doesn't say, and rarely use scripture to prove there point..

Not all, but most.. based on what Im seeing here.

 

[parousia70]

And the crickets are getting louder as we await an answer on WHERE in the synoptic accounts of the Olivet, that Jesus answered the disciples question about WHEN the temple would be destroyed.....

 

[Shocker]

And you also agree that Human generations are perpetual?

Matt 14:25 Now in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went to them, walking on the sea.

If a Night can broken up into 4 "watches", and a Night can last around 12 hours, 12 divided by 4 = 3

I look forward to your easy acceptance of this scriptural fact.

Ok, we are making some progress, now, to bring me in for the home stretch so we can high five on a victory of biblical discernment, show me in the Bible how long a night is in hours, just so we can use the objective math it provides to calculate a "watch".

Thx

(There are two days in a year when the day and night are divided by exactly half)

 

[parousia70]

Ok, we are making some progress, now, to bring me in for the home stretch so we can high five on a victory of biblical discernment, show me in the Bible how long a night is in hours, just so we can use the objective math it provides to calculate a "watch".

Thx

(There are two days in a year when the day and night are divided by exactly half)

How about this... show me in the Bible where a night = 24 hours? - or I guess where a night = 4 days so we can match up the term "a watch in the night" to one 24 hr day, thus proving your math.

 

[Shocker]

And the crickets are getting louder as we await an answer on WHERE in the synoptic accounts of the Olivet, that Jesus answered the disciples question about WHEN the temple would be destroyed.....

Jesus didn't give us a "when", only the prophecy that the temple would be destroyed.

The only way we know its 70ad is because of great Roman historical records.

The Bible doesn't say when the temple fell, neither does Christ.

 

[parousia70]

Jesus didn't give us a "when", only the prophecy that the temple would be destroyed.

The only way we know its 70ad is because of great Roman historical records.

The Bible doesn't say when the temple fell, neither does Christ.

So your contention is that Jesus refused to answer the disciples question about WHEN the temple would be destroyed?

can I get you on record for that?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The western wall is not the Temple of God destroyed in 70ad.


Its a brick wall.


(are you calling Jesus Christ a liar?)

The standing wall really confused me because it was said to be the base of the temple complex that Herod remodeled and that the disciples were pointing out to Jesus when He said not one stone would be left standing, so I thought there must be another destruction coming of the third temple, for those stones to be cast down, but all confusion left when I discovered the information that is out there that shows that the western wall is not the temple complex foundation at all, which was razed to the ground totally, with nothing remaining of the mount, even.
I bought the DVD that shows from Scripture and history that the temple mount is not where the Dome of the Rock sits, but in fact, that is the site of Herod's palace and the Roman guards were garrisoned there, and it was where Jesus was brought on Passover night for the inquisition.

This is documented, it is not even speculation, but absolute fact by the Bible and history.


Jerusalem and the lost temple of the Jews - YouTube

 

[Shocker]

How about this... show me in the Bible where a night = 24 hours? - or I guess where a night = 4 days so we can match up the term "a watch in the night" to one 24 hr day, thus proving your math.

A night is 24 hours?? That makes no sense.. Why dont I look in the bible for the prophecy of Joseph Smith while Im at it..

Im not sure what your contention is here..

 

[Shocker]

The standing wall really confused me because it was said to be the base of the temple complex that Herod remodeled and that the disciples were pointing out to Jesus when He said not one stone would be left standing, so I thought there must be another destruction coming of the third temple, for those stones to be cast down, but all confusion left when I discovered the information that is out there that shows that the western wall is not the temple complex foundation at all, which was razed to the ground totally, with nothing remaining of the mount, even.
I bought the DVD that shows from Scripture and history that the temple mount is not where the Dome of the Rock sits, but in fact, that is the site of Herod's palace and the Roman guards were garrisoned there, and it was where Jesus was brought on Passover night for the inquisition.

This is documented, it is not even speculation, but absolute fact by the Bible and history.


Jerusalem and the lost temple of the Jews - YouTube

Great find!

Thx!

 

[Shocker]

So your contention is that Jesus refused to answer the disciples question about WHEN the temple would be destroyed?

can I get you on record for that?

Jesus Told us EXACTLY when.

Listen to the power of Christs words, and let his truth put your mind at ease.

When did Christ say these things would pass?

Joh 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.


Something you are going to learn about Jesus is that he told you how to know when, if you want to listen to what he says on the matter.

The only reason you know the 2nd temple fell is because it happened. It passed, and therefore gives you the "when".

Simple, baby level Christianity basics..

 

[yeshuasavedme]

If wrong in PART of the basis of your support, could you be wrong about other aspects?

The Day of the LORD begins with night. We are in the eve, but the Rapture comes before the tribulation begins, and the tribulation is in the beginning of the seven thousandth year -but it is a very short "night" for the Day that dawns with the return of the LIGHT.

Isaiah 60: The return of the LIGHT, the Sun of Israel:
Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.
2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.
5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.
6 The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the Lord.
7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.
8 Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?
9 Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the Lord thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee.
10 And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee.
11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.
12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.
13 The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.
14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee; The city of the Lord, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
15 Whereas thou has been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.
16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
17 For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.
18 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.
19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.
22 A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time.

 

[Shocker]

So your contention is that Jesus refused to answer the disciples question about WHEN the temple would be destroyed?

can I get you on record for that?

Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.


Even verse 33 affirms the "when"

Jesus wasn't a date setter.. If you want the exact day the temple fell, its not in the Bible, only Roman historical records.


That's how prophecy works, when it comes to pass, we will know..

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Yes, human generations go on forever, with each human being born on earth living a millennial day, multiplying the seed of human being sons of God on earth, and being transformed to glory to "plant the heavens" forever and forever.

But the multiplying of the Adam flesh human beings ceases after the end of the 7th millennial day, and that is signed in the circumcision on the 8th day for all males born into the name "Israel", as descendants of Jacob, in that circumcision of the flesh signifies the cutting off of the multiplying of the Adam seed.
Then all the seed in the loins of the male human beings who multiply through the female human beings on earth for their millennial day will be named "Israel", as to their flesh.

That was the plan of God for getting sons of God of the human being kind to build His temple made of living stones, from the beginning, for the Glory to indwell of the Unseen YHWH.

Adam fell, and all the seed in his loins named Adam also fell in him.
In Adam all die.
We must be born again to have eternal life and be renamed in our flesh of regeneration for the Glory to indwell us and to be living stones to build the temple not made with hands.

But at the end of the 7th millennial day all the flesh of all the human beings remaining alive on earth -but not yet achieved to their thousand year day- will be elementally changed but not glorified, and the seed in the loins being elementally changed will be sons of God named "Israel", not "Adam".
The spirit of Adam will multiply the Adam flesh no more, from that time forward, and circumcision of the flesh will be fulfilled forever.

But the generations born on earth will go on for a million years, and more, and more, and more, "planting the heavens" as sons of God for the Glory, when their "Day" is fulfilled; which is what Adam was created to do, and lost in the fall.

 

[Shocker]

Yes, human generations go on forever, with each human being born on earth living a millennial day, multiplying the seed of human being sons of God on earth, and being transformed to glory to "plant the heavens" forever and forever.

But the multiplying of the Adam flesh human bengs ceases after the end of the 7th millennial day, and that is signed in the circumcision on the 8th day for all males born into the name "Israel", as descendants of Jacob, in that circumcision of the flesh signifies the cutting off of the multiplying of the Adam seed.
Then all the seed in the loins of the male human beings who multiply through the female human beings on earth for their millennial day will be named "Israel", as to their flesh.

That was the plan of God for getting sons of God of the jhuman being kind to build His temple made of living stones, from the beginning, for the Glory to indwell of the Unseen YHWH.

Adam fell, and all the seed in his loins named Adam also fell in him.
In Adam all die.
We must be born again to have eternal life and be renamed in our flesh of regeneration for the Glory to indwell us and to be living stones to build the temple not made with hands.

But at the end of the 7th millennial day, all; the flesh of all the human beings remaining alive on earth but not yet achieved to their thousand year day will be elementally changed but not glorified, and the seed in the loins being elementally changed will be sons of God named "Israel", not "Adam".
The spirit of Adam will multiply the Adam flesh no more, from that time forward, and circumcision of the flesh will be fulfilled forever.

But the generations born on earth will go on for a million years, and more, and more, and more, "planting the heavens" as sons of God for the Gliry, when their "Day" is fulfilled; which is what Adam was created to do, and lost in the fall.

Amazingly insightful, and sheds light on my own understanding.. thx!

I dont normally discuss scripture with women unless instructing my wife in the ways of the Written Word or I am witnessing to someone, but you are proof that is something I need to work on...

I feel comfort in your understanding of scripture..

Makes me all warm and fuzzy

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Amazingly insightful, and sheds light on my own understanding.. thx!

I dont normally discuss scripture with women unless instructing my wife in the ways of the Written Word or I am witnessing to someone, but you are proof that is something I need to work on...

I feel comfort in your understanding of scripture..

Makes me all warm and fuzzy

Its okay, I'm a great grandma.
Timothy learned the Scriptures at the feet of his grandma Lois and mom Eunice -Jewess women.

Anyone who desires understanding can pray this prayer that David prayed, and receive opened eyes:
Psa 119:18 Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy Torah/law.