Does The Third Temple...

[Shocker]

Its okay, I'm a great grandma.
Timothy learned the Scriptures at the feet of his grandma Lois and mom Eunice -Jewess women.

Anyone who desires understanding can pray this prayer that David prayed, and receive opened eyes:
Psa 119:18 Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy Torah/law.

I feel like God wanted me to hear that from you, especially since I valued your understanding before I noticed you were a woman..

Profound...

 

[shturt678s]

Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.


Even verse 33 affirms the "when"

Jesus wasn't a date setter.. If you want the exact day the temple fell, its not in the Bible, only Roman historical records.

The exact date the temple fell is 70 A.D. of course. The exact date the Antichrist begins to dwell in the "Sanctuary," ie, not "Temple" (IIThess.24; Jer.31:31-34; Ezek.36:26-27 is at IIThes.2:10b.

That's how prophecy works, when it comes to pass, we will know..

One just has to look within to see if the Antichrist is being empowered within through the antichristian power and propaganda, ie, within one's own "sanctuary".

Just ol' Jack talking out loud again Looking within right this moment?

 

[Shocker]

The exact date the temple fell is 70 A.D. of course. The exact date the Antichrist begins to dwell in the "Sanctuary," ie, not "Temple" (IIThess.24; Jer.31:31-34; Ezek.36:26-27 is at IIThes.2:10b.



One just has to look within to see if the Antichrist is being empowered within through the antichristian power and propaganda, ie, within one's own "sanctuary".

Just ol' Jack talking out loud again Looking within right this moment?

Sure, can you point in history when a man is documented fulfilling this scripture?

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


If it happened already, God wants you to give me undeniable proof. The same kind of objective proof that the temple fell in 70ad, which is documented that we might know exactly when.

Thx

 

[parousia70]

Im not sure what your contention is here..

You aren't tracking very well.

Your contention is that 1 day to God is as 1000 earth years, and therefore you extrapolate Human History to a limited period of 6000 earth years + a 7th 1000 year period of Rest - Typifying the 6 "day" creation, 7th day rest.

HOWEVER,

Psalm 90:4 states that a "watch in the night" is as 1000 earth years God.

Matt 14:25 states that there can be at least 4 "watches in the night" in 1 - 24 Hr earth Day.

Now the Math:
Pay close attention.

Since 1 "Watch in the Night" = 1000 years to God (Ps 90:4)

And there can be up to 4 "Watches in the Night" in one 24 hour earth day (Mt 14:25)

Therefore:
4000 years to God is as 1 Day.

Scripturally Disproving your "7 millennial day" extrapolation, as you would need to multiply 7000 X 4 to remain consistent in your interpretation.

A continue to await your cheerful acceptance.

 

[parousia70]

Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

OK, so Matt 24:33 is about the Temple's destruction and not the 2nd coming in your view?

 

[Shocker]

OK, so Matt 24:33 is about the Temple's destruction and not the 2nd coming in your view?

The fall of the temple is prerequisite to the Coming of Christ. It is absolutely something that must have happened in the past because it doesn't exist in the present.

Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

We technically can see the temple fell. so we know that one of the criteria has been met for Christ to come.

Simple, babylevel Christian comprehension fundamental stuff..

 

[parousia70]

Congratulations!

Applying ANY part of Jesus' answer in Matt 24 (and it's synoptics) to 70AD makes you a partial preterist!

Welcome Aboard!

 

[Shocker]

OK, so Matt 24:33 is about the Temple's destruction and not the 2nd coming in your view?

To answer your question more specifically.

I believe yes, that verse is also talking about the coming of Christ.

"It is near, even at the doors".

 

[Shocker]

Congratulations!

Applying ANY part of Jesus' answer in Matt 24 (and it's synoptics) to 70AD makes you a partial preterist!

Welcome Aboard!

I can see why you would want me to be on your team..

However, I stand firmly against preterism.

The only prophecies we agree on are defended by both sides as having past.

This makes them moot in terms of beliefs, they are mutual ground.



You believe that what is coming is not going to apply to you because you are trying to convince yourself it happened in the past.

And there is plenty of doctrine out there for you to do just that, I dont go after that mess, but hey, do what you want I guess..

 

[parousia70]

The fall of the temple is prerequisite to the Coming of Christ.

We technically can see the temple fell. so we know that one of the criteria has been met for Christ to come.

Interesting.

So Christ could NOT have returned before the temple fell?

You are an even stronger partial preterist than I just realized a moment ago.

 

[Shocker]

Interesting.

So Christ could NOT have returned before the temple fell?

You are an even stronger partial preterist than I just realized a moment ago.

NOPE!

Why?

Because it is written, the Son of Man, our Lord Jesus Chrst, who is God, ascended into heaven.

If he was going to return before the 2nd temple, we would have known.

Amo 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

 

[parousia70]

I can see why you would want me to be on your team..

true, the most stubborn opponents make for the staunchest proponents when the light finally goes on for them...as it will for you you eventually...you will be no different. Time is no object. and yes, I will welcome you with open arms!

However, I stand firmly against preterism.

However, your stated beliefs about Matt 24's application to 70AD ARE preterist.

ONLY preterists believe any part of Matt 24 can be applied at all to 70AD.

And again I say "Welcome Aboard"!

 

[Shocker]

true, the most stubborn opponents make for the staunchest proponents when the light finally goes on for them...as it will for you you eventually...you will be no different. Time is no object. and yes, I will welcome you with open arms!

However, your stated beliefs about Matt 24's application to 70AD ARE preterist.

ONLY preterists believe any part of Matt 24 can be applied at all to 70AD.

And again I say "Welcome Aboard"!

Sorry, I am a Christian, not a preterist..

I only believe in prophecy that can be proven, not alluded to..

When it passes, Ill let you know.. No worries..

 

[parousia70]

Sorry, I am a Christian, not a preterist..

You are a Christian who professes preterist beliefs.

So am I.

we only vary by degree.

 

[Shocker]

You are a Christian who professes preterist beliefs.

So am I.

we only vary by degree.

Well, you cant really hold your own in a debate, so I can see why you would want me to be a preterist, then you can pretend we share views so you can benefit from the Word which I profess to you daily..

Getting desperate?

 

[shturt678s]

Sure, can you point in history when a man is documented fulfilling this scripture?

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


If it happened already, God wants you to give me undeniable proof. The same kind of objective proof that the temple fell in 70ad, which is documented that we might know exactly when.

Thx

Remember Jesus' prophecy at Matt.24:1-2? Of course you do, ie, the 2nd Temple. Remember when this took place? 70 A.D. Remember Daniel's prophecy Dan.11:31 & 12:11? Did you read what the historian Josephus said about the what was left of the 2nd Temple at 70 A.D. and the Jews as a nation for openers, ie, btw IIThess.2:4, naos, always "sanctuary" and never rendered "temple" as most translations are inferior.

Old Jack

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The temple that fell in 70 AD has not one stone left upon another, but the temple that is to be built and will be the tribulation temple has no bearing on the time of the rapture and will be built as soon as Psalm 83 is fulfilled which gives them their entire land borders back.
They will prosper, be in peace, and dwell in security and without walls.

The Psalm 83 war is the closest thing to happening and even that has no bearing on when the rapture will occur, but that fulfillment is a sign to Israel that the Messianic age is upon them.

I think Psalm 83 will happen very soon. I will look forward to seeing it, whether I see it from here, by media reporting on earth or from there, in heaven, just watching the events unfold, it will be a time of great rejoicing for all who love Israel and pray for the Peace of Jerusalem.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The Millennial temple that Ezekiel saw the plans for and wrote down is not the one that will be built for the soon coming tribulation period.

The temple plans as described in the Dead Sea Scrolls haven't been built yet, and maybe that is the tribulation temple, but the Temple Mount.org has plans for one and I do not know how that lines up with the Dead Sea Scrolls one, but it certainly does not line up with the Millennial temple Ezekiel describes.

There will be a temple built in Israel, and it will be standing in the tribulation.
The Church may be raptured at any time, but may still be on earth when the temple is built, if so, then the Church will also be here when the Psalm 83 war is fulfilled, for the temple can only be built after that war is fulfilled.

But the rapture has no signs, just that we see we are in the very last of the last days of this age, before the Millennial reign, and soon, Jesus will call us to come, and we will rise to meet Him in the air/heaven, and hear Him say, "Come in, shut the doors behind you, and hide yourselves for a little while, till the indignation be past..."-Isaiah 26:19-21

 

[random person]

This is a huge misconception..

Futurists believe that the "Temple" is nothing more than a mistake on the Jews part.

Futurists might as any Christian touring Jerusalem to see the place where Christ walked might, visit said Temple, but its of no concern regarding salvation.

We know the Temple that the Jews are trying to build is not going to bring them closer to God, because Israel is blind to Christ, who is the Word.


Should clear up those accusations right there.. We are Christians, we don't need a temple, we are the temple..



Preterists need to chill out with that mess, We all agree on the Temple, but that isn't going to stop the Jews from building, and build they will, in due time..

Clear on that brother?

What you are overlooking is that your whole eschatology its very essence wholly depends upon the construction of the Third Temple.

As a amillennialist partial preterist, there are three basic things in which we are in disagreement over:

1. I don't believe in a secret Rapture

2. I don't believe in a literal millennial kingdom rule, instead I believe Christ is reigning right now in heaven

3. Christ could come right this second, or tomorrow, or a week from today, or a thousand years from now, and His coming is not at ALL dependent upon the Third Temple event and the Antichrist entering the temple and claiming to be God event... before, while, or 3.5-7 years after... His coming.

Where we are in agreement is this:

1. The Second Coming

2. The Resurrection

3. New Heavens, New Earth, New Jerusalem

 

[shturt678s]

The Millennial temple that Ezekiel saw the plans for and wrote down is not the one that will be built for the soon coming tribulation period.

The temple plans as described in the Dead Sea Scrolls haven't been built yet, and maybe that is the tribulation temple, but the Temple Mount.org has plans for one and I do not know how that lines up with the Dead Sea Scrolls one, but it certainly does not line up with the Millennial temple Ezekiel describes.

There will be a temple built in Israel, and it will be standing in the tribulation.
The Church may be raptured at any time, but may still be on earth when the temple is built, if so, then the Church will also be here when the Psalm 83 war is fulfilled, for the temple can only be built after that war is fulfilled.

But the rapture has no signs, just that we see we are in the very last of the last days of this age, before the Millennial reign, and soon, Jesus will call us to come, and we will rise to meet Him in the air/heaven, and hear Him say, "Come in, shut the doors behind you, and hide yourselves for a little while, till the indignation be past..."-Isaiah 26:19-21

Appreciate you and your words, ie, thank you again,

Old Jack