Does The Third Temple...

[Bible2]

Shocker said in post 34:

We are Christians, we don't need a temple, we are the temple..

Amen.

Yet while the church as a whole is a figurative temple building (Ephesians 2:21), it isn't the only temple of God. For it coexists with the literal temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and with the temple of Jesus' individual human body (John 2:21), and with the temple of every Christian's individual human body (1 Corinthians 6:19). And if the church-as-a-whole temple can currently coexist with all these other temples of God, it will be able to coexist with the future, 3rd-earthly-literal temple building which Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 show will exist in Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This 3rd temple building will be accepted by God as a valid temple, just as the 2nd temple building was accepted by God as a valid temple, even at the time of Jesus' first coming (Matthew 23:21), and even at the time of the early church (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17).

For the ultra-Orthodox Jews will build the 3rd temple, and they will offer animal sacrifices in front of it, under the auspices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which remains holy before God (Romans 7:12). That's why God still keeps an ark of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in his temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and why it was possible for the apostle Paul one time to involve himself with the 2nd temple's Old Covenant Mosaic law practices without him committing sin (Acts 21:20-26; 1 Corinthians 9:20). This isn't to say the Jesus-denying motives of the ultra-Orthodox Jews will be holy before God, but that the Old-Covenant-Mosaic-law 3rd temple in itself and its animal sacrifices in themselves will be holy before God because the Old Covenant Mosaic law in itself remains holy before God (Romans 7:12), even though its letter is no longer meant to be practiced by people (Romans 7:6), because the New Covenant has been inaugurated by Jesus and his once-for-all-time sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Hebrews 10:1-23, Matthew 26:28).

 

[ebedmelech]

Efficacious?

That's because the Jews believe it will..

Christians who think the same are blind..

Yes..."efficacious"

Full Definition of EFFICACIOUS

: having the power to produce a desired effect <an efficacious remedy>

Think about that.

 

[Shocker]

Yes..."efficacious"

Full Definition of EFFICACIOUS

: having the power to produce a desired effect <an efficacious remedy>

Think about that.

I did, but the Jews want the temple, not the Christians.. do you understand??

you are trying to imply that Christians believe the temple will have a desired effect, however I submit that the third temple will have an adverse effect.

Christians are not Jews, we are the temple..

This is outlined in the gospel.

 

[parousia70]

If there are any sacrifices of animals when the LORD comes and restores the kingdom to Israel... they would be for a memorial, to remember the LORD in His death.. Nobody said it was for the forgiveness of sins..

You are fooling yourself about the temple sacrifices you ascribe to the "millennial Temple" Old Timer. They are NOT Memorial, they are propitiatory and forever:


Ezekiel 40:39
In the porch of the gate were two tables on each side, on which to slaughter the burnt offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering.

Ezekiel 42:13
the priests who are near to the LORD shall eat the most holy things. There they shall lay the most holy things, the grain offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering;

Ezekiel 43:20
'You shall take some of its blood and put it on its four horns and on the four corners of the ledge and on the border round about; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it.

Ezekiel 43:21
'You shall also take the bull for the sin offering

Ezekiel 43:22
'On the second day you shall offer a male goat without blemish for a sin offering

Ezekiel 43:27
'When they have completed the days, it shall be that on the eighth day and onward, the priests shall offer your burnt offerings on the altar, and your peace offerings; AND I WILL ACCEPT YOU

Ezekiel 44:9
'Thus says the Lord GOD, "No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary.

Ezekiel 44:10
"But the Levites who went far from Me when Israel went astray, who went astray from Me after their idols, shall bear the punishment for their iniquity. Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, having oversight at the gates of the house and ministering in the house; they shall slaughter the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people

Ezekiel 44:23
"Moreover, they shall teach My people the difference between the holy and the profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.

Ezekiel 43:7
Son of man, this [stone temple] is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the sons of Israel forever.


All these offerings are the propitiatory offerings of the Mosaic Law that Jesus came to make obsolete forever. The teaching of a reinstitution of this blood sacrificial system is a rebuke against the blood of Jesus Christ, and a cause for anathema according to the apostles. A return to this system is a falling away from salvation, according to the apostles. A falling from the grace of Jesus Christ.

 

[parousia70]

Ask any preterist what their scriptural basis is for the coming of Christ and listen to the crickets..

Ask Old timer and Vrba (or Shocker or whatever) what prophesy the temple's AD70 destruction fulfilled, and listen to the crickets......

 

[Shocker]

Ask Old timer and Vrba (or Shocker or whatever) what prophesy the temple's AD70 destruction fulfilled, and listen to the crickets......

Or Ill just hit you with scripture.. And the Truth from Christ himself.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.


Prophecy fulfilled 70ad.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

How do you equate the building of the third temple = happening at the rapture?
the man of sin enters sets up his image that speaks 3 1/2 years after the tribulation begins, not 3 1/2 years after the the temple is built.
Who ever told you the temple will only be built for 3 1/2 years before the man of sin sets up his image that speaks in it?
Why would you even think that? since the temple existed for decades after the resurrection and ascension of the LORD, and even the born again believers in Christ who were Jews visited the temple and served God under Moses until that temple was destroyed -even Paul did so!

 

[parousia70]

Or Ill just hit you with scripture.. And the Truth from Christ himself.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.


Prophecy fulfilled 70ad.

The western Wall still Stands, one stone upon another.

 

[Shocker]

How do you equate the building of the third temple = happening at the rapture?
the man of sin enters sets up his image that speaks 3 1/2 years after the tribulation begins, not 3 1/2 years after the the temple is built.
Who ever told you the temple will only be built for 3 1/2 years before the man of sin sets up his image that speaks in it?
Why would you even think that? since the temple existed for decades after the resurrection and ascension of the LORD, and even the born again believers in Christ who were Jews visited the temple and served God under Moses until that temple was destroyed -even Paul did so!

Exactly, Christians were worshipping at the temple after Christ was crucified.

Here is some scripture that preterists really hate..

Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Luk 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Luk 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
Luk 24:53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.


Just goes to show, the temple is not evil if God is properly worshipped..

Notice how some Christians even perform certain rituals in elaborate church structures and think this is different than what the Jews do..

Salvation requires a naked human body, nothing more.. No rituals, no candles, no other people, just you and God..

 

[Shocker]

The western Wall still Stands, one stone upon another.

The western wall is not the Temple of God destroyed in 70ad.


Its a brick wall.


(are you calling Jesus Christ a liar?)

 

[Notrash]

I would say that if we see a temple, the rapture wasn't pretrib..

Premil however is unaffected..

The 1000 years, the Lords official Sabbath, will come after the end of the Tribulation, and the final "Day of rest" will commence..

We are around the 6000 year mark since Creation..

The last thousand years are the millennial reign of Christ, this completes 7 days in heaven and 7000 years on earth.

Premils don't exactly follow a united front on the rapture timing.. It could literally be any time..

Depends on what you believe and if you even believe in the rapture I suppose..

If we are NOT near 6000 yrs since creation, does that disprove your theory of the timing of these events abd your eschatology?

Research the differences between the mazoretic dates and the septuigent dates. According to the septuigent (and some early church writers) YR 6000 was @Yr 475 AD. Its past already.

Concerning the timing of the subject matter of the letter; IF A=B and B=C, then does A=C? If rev 15:3 declares that the peopld of the time context in question sing the song if Moses (deuteronomy chþ32) AND the song of moaes pertains to the end and latter end (vs 20,29) of the misaic covt generation and the vengeance of God against thise who rejected his new way and persecuted his sons/daughters, then the time context of the letter is shown/proven to refer to first century events.

Concerning the millenuim of Rev 20, ehy is it plural, as if to say "the thousands" with years telling what measureents of 1000's he's regerring to.

What do the 4 measurements of 1000 represent in Ez 47?
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[Shocker]

The western Wall still Stands, one stone upon another.

Btw, I love how many times you switch up your beliefs depending on the conversation..

The temple is destroyed before the abomination in Mat 24.

The first thing Christ says will happen is the temple will be destroyed.

According to you, that prophecy has never been fulfilled because the temple is not completely destroyed..

Gotta little gap in your theory eh?


At this point, Im not even frustrated with your logic, I just hope people are reading this and having as much fun as I am...

This is a treat, a rare treat..

 

[parousia70]

Or Ill just hit you with scripture.. And the Truth from Christ himself.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.


Prophecy fulfilled 70ad.

Ok... I'll overlook the western wall for now....

So the disciples heard Him prophesy this and then asked Him:

Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? (Matt 24:3a)

Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, “Tell us, when will these things be?
(Mark 13:3-4a)

So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be?
(Luke 21:7a)


In all 3 synoptic accounts, Jesus tells them of the temples coming destruction, and they all ask him WHEN will it be?

So Shocker, show us where in each account Jesus answers their question about WHEN the temple will be destroyed.....

Now, Cue the crickets.

 

[Shocker]

If we are NOT near 6000 yrs since creation, does that disprove your theory of the timing of these events abd your eschatology?

Research the differences between the mazoretic dates and the septuigent dates. According to the septuigent (and some early church writers) YR 6000 was @Yr 475 AD. Its past already.

Concerning the millenuim of Rev 20, ehy is it plural, as if to say "the thousands" with years telling what measure
ents of 1000's he's regerring to.

What do the 4 measurements of 1000 represent in Ez 47?
.

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chilioi
khil'-ee-oy
Plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand: - thousand.

1000 is plural to the sum of its factors.

This would be 1 day according to Christ, compared to a thousand years on earth.

Chilioi means one thousand in Greek.



Regarding the age of the earth, while I dont hold to the dispensational theory of different dispensational periods per say, I do believe that the age of the earth, like all other numbers involved with God is going to have a finite role to play.


For example, the world has officially taken the downward spiral, and the population of earth just hit 7 billion people.

Coincidence?

 

[parousia70]

Btw, I love how many times you switch up your beliefs depending on the conversation..

According to you, that prophecy has never been fulfilled because the temple is not completely destroyed..

No... I agree the temple was destroyed exactly as Christ prophesied... the western wall caveat is a purely futurist invention... take that up with your futurist buddies....

Too bad you guys cant seem to agree on much... very telling indeed.

 

[Shocker]

No... I agree the temple was destroyed exactly as Christ prophesied... the western wall caveat is a purely futurist invention... take that up with your futurist buddies....

Too bad you guys cant seem to agree on much... very telling indeed.

Ive never heard that before.

You would think if it was a "futurist" opinion, I would know..


Tell me what else my beliefs should be based on your human understanding of what we believe, so far, you are striking out..

Nothing but love..

 

[parousia70]

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chilioi
khil'-ee-oy
Plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand: - thousand.

1000 is plural to the sum of its factors.

This would be 1 day according to Christ, compared to a thousand years on earth.

You sure about your math?

Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night.


How long is a "watch in the night"

About 3-6 hours...

So apparently 1000 years in Gods Sight equals about 3-6 hours... so 4000-8000 earth years equals 1 day to God, according to Psalms 90:4

Regarding the age of the earth, while I dont hold to the dispensational theory of different dispensational periods per say,

Again, you futurists can't agree on anything...VERY telling.

I do believe that the age of the earth, like all other numbers involved with God is going to have a finite role to play.

Scripture states that the world will exist forever (Ecc 1:4; Ps 78:69; 89:36-37; 104:5; 148:4-6; Eph 3:21) and that human generations are perpetual (Gen 9:12, Ps 145:13; Dan 4:3,34; Dan 7:14,18,27; Lk 1:33)

For example, the world has officially taken the downward spiral, and the population of earth just hit 7 billion people.

Coincidence?

Nope, Just Fanciful speculation with no basis in scripture.

 

[Shocker]

You sure about your math?

Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night.


How long is a "watch in the night"

About 3-6 hours...

So apparently 1000 years in Gods Sight equals about 3-6 hours... so 4000-8000 earth years equals 1 day to God, according to Psalms 90:4



Scripture states that the world will exist forever (Ecc 1:4; Ps 78:69; 89:36-37; 104:5; 148:4-6; Eph 3:21) and that human generations are perpetual (Ps 145:13; Dan 4:3,34; Dan 7:14,18,27; Lk 1:33)



Nope, Just Fanciful speculation with no basis in scripture.

The world was created and will in fact exist forever, as it is written.

You are correct.

I just said in my post that 1000 years on earth is like a day in heaven.

Again, we agree.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


Please show me the scripture that supports the length of your "watch in the night"

I can easily accept that if you show it to me

 

[Notrash]

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chilioi
khil'-ee-oy
Plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand: - thousand.

1000 is plural to the sum of its factors.

This would be 1 day according to Christ, compared to a thousand years on earth.

Chilioi means one thousand in Greek.


Regarding the age of the earth, while I dont hold to the dispensational theory of different dispensational periods per say, I do believe that the age of the earth, like all other numbers involved with God is going to have a finite role to play.


For example, the world has officially taken the downward spiral, and the population of earth just hit 7 billion people.

Coincidence?

The topic of this thread is strawman answers. I don't feel you answered any of the points.

Could the downturn of the earth (according to your evaluation)be a result of the preaching of a hopeless, gloom and doom doctrines? I believe so. Is one to establish or confirm a doctrine from current events or subjective perspectives?

 

[Shocker]

The topic of this thread is strawman answers. I don't feel you answered any of the points.

Could the downturn of the earth (according to your evaluation)be a result of the preaching of a hopeless, gloom and doom doctrines? I believe so. Is one to establish or confirm a doctrine from current events or subjective perspectives?

I dont know what you mean by gloom and doom.

If by the end of the world and return of Christ, you mean gloom and doom, then I dont share the sentiment.


Usually when I talk about the end times or coming of Christ, people who dont believe in Christ call it "doom and gloom".

If you harbor any fear of what is coming, then that might be a salvific issue.. Christians fear God, nothing else..

Im not saying you dont, but I dont understand why a Christian would call the final coming of Christ "doom and gloom"

That is what happens in the end, Christ will come. And hes coming for you hopefully..


It really calls for excitement..