Does the Sabbath still exist?

[YosemiteSam]

Does the Sabbath still exist? That is the question. We will discuss here both sides of the topic for or against.

 

[John 07]

Does the Sabbath still exist? That is the question. We will discuss here both sides of the topic for or against.

yea I think so, mostly from:

Hebrews 4 all, eg
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.

 

[cyberlizard]

that would be one of my arguments also...

if the weekly sabbath is a foretaste of the coming age, and the coming age has not yet arrived, it stands to reason the foretaste still exists.

also

if the Sabbath day is a commemoration of the creation week showing Israel how their God is the One True God, then unless God or creation have ended, the Sabbath still exists.

As to whether people choose to celebrate it (or even remember it in practical terms), that is another matter entirely.



Steve

 

[ricker]

[=cyberlizard;55028622]that would be one of my arguments also...

if the weekly sabbath is a foretaste of the coming age, and the coming age has not yet arrived, it stands to reason the foretaste still exists.

Where do you find this in the Bible?

if the Sabbath day is a commemoration of the creation week showing Israel how their God is the One True God, then unless God or creation have ended, the Sabbath still exists.

The Sabbath day was said to be both a commemeration of creation and the Israelites being freed from Egypt. I'm not sure the logic follows in your statement, anyway. The weekly Sabbath not eternal, but made, and was a sign given only to the nation of Israel, not Gentiles.

As to whether people choose to celebrate it (or even remember it in practical terms), that is another matter entirely.

You, and anyone else, are free in Christ to celebrate the weekly rest if you so choose.

 

[Frogster]

1. In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ, which is no longer binding since the substance (Christ) has come. It is quite clear in those verses that the weekly Sabbath is in view. The phrase "a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day" refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (cf. 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). If Paul were referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage, why would he have used the word "Sabbath?" He had already mentioned the ceremonial dates when he spoke of festivals and new moons.
2. The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant.
3. The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath.
4. In our only glimpse of an early church worship service in the New Testament, the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).
5. Nowhere in the Old Testament are the Gentile nations commanded to observe the Sabbath or condemned for failing to do so. That is certainly strange if Sabbath observance were meant to be an eternal moral principle.
6. There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses, nor are there any commands in the Bible to keep the Sabbath before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai.
7. When the Apostles met at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15), they did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers.
8. The apostle Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but breaking the Sabbath was never one of them.
9. In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath).
10. In Romans 14:5, Paul forbids those who observe the Sabbath (these were no doubt Jewish believers) to condemn those who do not (Gentile believers).
11. The early church fathers, from Ignatius to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship (contrary to the claim of many seventh-day sabbatarians who claim that Sunday worship was not instituted until the fourth century).
12. Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. Rather the Lord's Day is a time when believers gather to commemorate His resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week. Every day to the believer is one of Sabbath rest, since we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Lord (Hebrews 4:9-11).

 

[Frogster]

Does the Sabbath still exist? That is the question. We will discuss here both sides of the topic for or against.

my repetitive question,that never gets a good answer.

Why didn't paul want the sabbath for the galatians,if it was universal?

 

[ricker]

my repetitive question,that never gets a good answer.

Why didn't paul want the sabbath for the galatians,if it was universal?

To quote the Talking Heads: Stop Making Sense!

PS. I suppose you are too young for that reference.

 

[Frogster]

To quote the Talking Heads: Stop Making Sense!

PS. I suppose you are too young for that reference.

Yes,it is before my time,but do fill me in.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Finally getting a chance to look at the post. Have been extremely busy at work, needless to say, by the time I do get home I have been resting and not taking the time to view this post.

I notice that Frogster has a question that seems to have gone unanswered in previous post concerning Gal 4. I assume he is referencing verses 8,9,10,11.

So Frogster, here is your answer, finally. You also mentioned Col 2:16-17 which ought to have put light on what Paul was pertaining to in Gal 4. I won't post the entire set of verses here. If you have time you can read it at your leisure. If you continue reading in Col 2 from v 17, Paul labels these things as "the commandments and doctrines of men." v21

Lets not forget that Paul was the apostle to the gentiles. He was writing back to the Galatians as he had already taught them the truth and they were turning back to idol worship which they had before they had known God. Keep this in mind while reading Galatians the story begins to unfold quite clearly.

It is clear from what you wrote that you deem that Paul was speaking of the Sabbath, the one and the same that Christ kept from the beginning. If I should attempt to give my opinion what days he did mean, I should compare scripture with scripture, and if we can gain any light on the subject, I think it would be in this way. And first, it appears evident from many other passages of scripture that the Sabbath is not done away, hence I am led to think, that he meant something else in this test. And secondly, we find that there were many things in practice, in that day, even among the professors of Christianity, that were merely traditions, doctrines and commandments of men, such as eating things offered to idols, and observing times and days, which it seems, were, in the the first place, set apart to the worshiping of those idols, and then handed down to them by tradition, all which the Apostle labored to brake them off from. This is made plain from the Apostle's words, Gal 4, where he says,

"When you knew not God, you did service unto them which, by nature are no Gods. But now, after you have known God, or rather, are known of God, how turn you again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days, and months, and times and years. I am afraid of you, least I have bestowed on you labor in vain."

It is made plain from these words that those Galatians had once broken off their idolatrous practices, by means of Paul's preaching among them, and that after a time in Paul's absence they had returned to those practices again; so that Paul was afraid that the word that he had preached among them would prove in vain at last. Hence it is plain that those days and times, that they observed, were pertaining to that idolatrous worship, which he calls weak and beggarly elements. Although this is another of the scriptures that men make use of to prove that the Sabbath is done away, yet it is plain that the days and times, here spoken of, were pertaining to the doing service to them, who, by nature are no Gods, which those Galatians had turned to again. And I have much reason to think the days and times, here spoken of, were the same that were in Rom 15-5 "One man esteem one day above another, etc" And the same kind of things that were spoken of in Col 2, which is another test brought against the Sabbath, and is just as much to the purpose as all the rest, wherein Paul speaks of ordinances and tells them, touch not, taste not, handle not.

And as the word, Sabbath, in this text, stands in the plural, signifying more kinds of Sabbaths than one, it really appears to me most likely that he had allusion to those feasts, which were in the plural and not to the weekly Sabbath, which is uniformly in the Scriptures spoken of in the singular number, the Sabbath, not the Sabbaths. Getting ahead of myself here....LOL

I hope Frogster that you will find here, that at lest someone has answered your question. I will continue with Col and Rom if you wish?

Thought of something I wish to add that is the reason for my edit. Story flow is very important here. Paul writes that, "some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ." Gal 1:17, he rebukes those who follow the folly of these men by calling them "bewitched" Gal 3:1, and the gospel of Christ had feed them from pagan gods as well as traditions of men that could not save them (even some jewish traditiions) Gal 4:8-11. But now they have fallen prey to treacherous men with a false message. "Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good" Gal 4:17 Also consider Galatia is a Roman providence in upper asia minor. These people are idol worshippers, pagans. Just a note.

 

[YosemiteSam]

It was stated, that Gentiles of the old testament, were never commanded to keep the Sabbath. Others say, the Sabbath was given to the Jews only, and that the Gentiles have nothing to do with it. But it is to be remembered, that the Sabbath was given long before there was a Jew on earth, and there were even under the old dispensation, exceeding great and precious promises made to the strict observers of the Sabbath; and that too, to the Gentiles in particular. And the seventh day is no where in scripture called the Jews Sabbath; but our Savior says the Sabbath man, signifying all men, and it appears, that whole nations of the Gentiles were destroyed, because they went contrary to the laws given to the Jews, among which was the Sabbath, as you may see, Lev 18:27, 19:3 and 20:23. These three passages you may read at your leisure, and by which, it is plain that it was the duty of the Gentiles to keep the laws, and statutes, that were given to the Jews, and I see no reason why we should single out the Sabbath from the rest, and say, it is not binding on the Gentiles, when it is absolutely necessary for all people, under heaven, as I hope is shown; and almost all Christians acknowledge the necessity of a Sabbath, although they refuse to keep the one that God commanded.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Do you Frogster or ricker attend church on Sunday?

 

[Frogster]

Hi there.

Why would the judaizers,who were the ones influencing the galatian churches,want them to go to a pagan calendar,something the jews hated?

Also,Paul compared his previous life in Judaism,as the same principle of the pagans.The same bondage,notice this..it came before verse 10.”We” means Paul in Judaism.


Gal 4;3 In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world.

Then simply,they were going to this time,revert to the same elemental principles of Judaism.Jewish calendar.



4;9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

Notice later,it was the law,not..not..paganism.

4;21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?


There ya go.

Now,as far as it pagan territory..lol! that was weak,and pointless.The judaizers followed Paul all around,Where was it not pagan?


On to Col 2.Sure,there was a lot going on in Col,but make no mistake,they were jewish gnostics,trying to get them in bondage of Sabbath,and it was a reference to Torah..

Otherwise how could a teaching of men,and any type of note of bond from their sins,nailed to the cross,be anything but from the law?

They were dead,in a jewish terminology of uncircumcision.Canceled the debt of LEGAL,LAW..NOT, the teachings of men,then forgiven all our trespasses,and sins.

How..how..could that be the teachings of men? That our sins were forgiven from? And we were dead in trespasses,which means violation of a known or written command.It says legal demand.Torah law!

Col 2:13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.

Not to mention.the same thing here..



Ephesians 2:15
by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,


Ps,why did Paul got to jerusalem,to settle the issue,if they were not judaizers influencing the church.That would not make sense,would it? Why was Paul talking all about Moses,and not the pagan gods? Context shows that it was the law.

I await your rebuttal.

Proper debate protocol,says we now stick to these fundamental,issues,and not go into any new tangents,that diffuse,and divert.Please answer these directly.

Frogster.

 

[Frogster]

Do you Frogster or ricker attend church on Sunday?

Are messianics stoned if they work on the Sabbath,as the law says to do?Numbers 15,had a guy put to death,for gathering sticks.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Are messianics stoned if they work on the Sabbath,as the law says to do?Numbers 15,had a guy put to death,for gathering sticks.

Frogster,

i guess that you don't know that the ministration of death was nailed to the cross along with ritualistic laws of moses.

it's sad, i think, that you don't know that.

 

[Frogster]

Frogster,

i guess that you don't know that the ministration of death was nailed to the cross along with ritualistic laws of moses.

it's sad, i think, that you don't know that.

It was the whole law,Paul said he died to it in rom 7,then went on to talk about moral law,as per coveting.

Why didn't paul want the law for the galatian churches?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Frogster,

First you must consider the scriptures thoroughly. In your reference as to Judaizers trying to pull sway over the church, you in fact could not be further from truth. I hope that, in Paul writing of the events concerning Peter, you would in no way assert that this is fact of Jews gaining influence in the church of Galatia. Again, I would that you stick with the facts.

But most damaging to this type of logic is simply the Galatians were "turning again" to days that they had previously observed. Yet you say Jadaizers were trying to impose on them the Sabbath and Holy days. I ask you, how could you "turn again" to days which you never observed from the beginning. Could you "turn again" to the true Sabbath?

Would you dare try to persuade me that the Galatians were Jews? Paul makes it clear in Gal 5:6 and 6:12 that they were physically uncircumcised. How then can they be Jews? No, they were gentiles from asia minor, a providence of Rome, which I already stated earlier, they from the beginning did not observe Jewish traditions.

Do you not know what pagan worship is? Do you not know of pagan gods? Rome - there were Mithras and Mithraism Greece - Zues, Apollo with Delphi and Delos, Aphrodite with Corinth... Images and shrines paved the streets of Corinth...An altar of dedication to anonymous gods, found at Pergamum, Asia Minor... Have you not read of Paul's visit to Athens and the altar of the unknown god? Act 17:22 Do you need more?

"We" as you refer to it, meaning "Paul in Judaism", might I ask, to whom do you think Paul was speaking? Would context prove "we" as those in the church? I would, you rethink your position.

Finally, v 8 seems to extinguish such foolishness. "When you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods." Paul referring clearly to idol worship. ("clearly to the idols of paganism, which, in typical Jewish idiom, Paul termed 'not gods'" The Expositor's Bible Commentary, 1976, Vol 10 p 475)

The question on Gal 4 was answered in full earlier, but maybe one might be in need of more clarification.

Now Frogster, you said earlier,
"Proper debate protocol,says we now stick to these fundamental,issues,and not go into any new tangents,that diffuse,and divert.Please answer these directly."

You stick to the fundamental issue. Stay the course. The verses here are clearly speaking of idol worship, which is also understood, that some like to use this chapter and verse as an argument against the Sabbath. I have received your opinion on the matter, and it will simply not do. No where in this letter are the holy days or Sabbaths mentioned.

Next topic for or against the Sabbath?

So do you go to church on Sunday? I asked this question earlier.

 

[Frogster]

Frogster,

First you must consider the scriptures thoroughly. In your reference as to Judaizers trying to pull sway over the church, you in fact could not be further from truth. I hope that, in Paul writing of the events concerning Peter, you would in no way assert that this is fact of Jews gaining influence in the church of Galatia. Again, I would that you stick with the facts.

But most damaging to this type of logic is simply the Galatians were "turning again" to days that they had previously observed. Yet you say Jadaizers were trying to impose on them the Sabbath and Holy days. I ask you, how could you "turn again" to days which you never observed from the beginning. Could you "turn again" to the true Sabbath?

Would you dare try to persuade me that the Galatians were Jews? Paul makes it clear in Gal 5:6 and 6:12 that they were physically uncircumcised. How then can they be Jews? No, they were gentiles from asia minor, a providence of Rome, which I already stated earlier, they from the beginning did not observe Jewish traditions.

Do you not know what pagan worship is? Do you not know of pagan gods? Rome - there were Mithras and Mithraism Greece - Zues, Apollo with Delphi and Delos, Aphrodite with Corinth... Images and shrines paved the streets of Corinth...An altar of dedication to anonymous gods, found at Pergamum, Asia Minor... Have you not read of Paul's visit to Athens and the altar of the unknown god? Act 17:22 Do you need more?

"We" as you refer to it, meaning "Paul in Judaism", might I ask, to whom do you think Paul was speaking? Would context prove "we" as those in the church? I would, you rethink your position.

Finally, v 8 seems to extinguish such foolishness. "When you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods." Paul referring clearly to idol worship. ("clearly to the idols of paganism, which, in typical Jewish idiom, Paul termed 'not gods'" The Expositor's Bible Commentary, 1976, Vol 10 p 475)

The question on Gal 4 was answered in full earlier, but maybe one might be in need of more clarification.

Now Frogster, you said earlier,
"Proper debate protocol,says we now stick to these fundamental,issues,and not go into any new tangents,that diffuse,and divert.Please answer these directly."

You stick to the fundamental issue. Stay the course. The verses here are clearly speaking of idol worship, which is also understood, that some like to use this chapter and verse as an argument against the Sabbath. I have received your opinion on the matter, and it will simply not do. No where in this letter are the holy days or Sabbaths mentioned.

Next topic for or against the Sabbath?

So do you go to church on Sunday? I asked this question earlier.

Oh come on...who else but judaizers would try to impose Moses? Who else?

You are trying a clever trick,ignoring the text.

First Paul (we)said he was under the elemantal principles of judaism.What other thing was Paul formerly under?


3 In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world.


Then he said they were "turning again"..to the same principles,reverting AGAIN..to the same principles,in this case the elementals of judaism,that Paul just described.

9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years!

So the issue is that,they were turning again to the elemental principles..AGAIN.

As far as the "we",what else could we mean?Him too!

Paul said we..we...then he said...you..you...

a different pronoun..

We were in Judaism,meaning Paul,now you are turning to back again to a similar principle you were already in (again).The emphasis is on the principle,used twice.Principle.

The thing you ignoring most is the clear facts..

They were pushing Moses,Paul said no!

Why this,if their desire was to be under paganism,and not judaism.Just a few verses down.

4:21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?


Gosh,the whole book was talking about no Moses,read chapter 3...

Bottom line..Your going to have to prove that somehow the judaizers that were clearly pushing Moses,wanted them under paganism.

Good luck

 

[YosemiteSam]

Oh come on...who else but judaizers would try to impose Moses? Who else?

You are trying a clever trick,ignoring the text.

First Paul (we)said he was under the elemantal principles of judaism.What other thing was Paul formerly under?


3 In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world.


Then he said they were "turning again"..to the same principles,reverting AGAIN..to the same principles,in this case the elementals of judaism,that Paul just described.

9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years!

So the issue is that,they were turning again to the elemental principles..AGAIN.

As far as the "we",what else could we mean?Him too!

Paul said we..we...then he said...you..you...

a different pronoun..

We were in Judaism,meaning Paul,now you are turning to back again to a similar principle you were already in (again).The emphasis is on the principle,used twice.Principle.

The thing you ignoring most is the clear facts..

They were pushing Moses,Paul said no!

Why this,if their desire was to be under paganism,and not judaism.Just a few verses down.

4:21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?


Gosh,the whole book was talking about no Moses,read chapter 3...

Bottom line..Your going to have to prove that somehow the judaizers that were clearly pushing Moses,wanted them under paganism.

Good luck

Well, considering you already answered the question but failed to see it. Read verse 9 again,

"But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years!"

I pasted yours above since you went to such a task as to underline the words. But what you fail to notice is "elementary principles of the WORLD" I want everybody who reads this to get out your bibles. It does not say elementary principles of judaism. It says the world!

Furthermore, "Moses" is never mentioned in the letter to the Galatians.

I know this is frustrating, but the Judaism was not the only religion in the world at this time either.

Case closed on Galatians 4, move on to something else. Anyone who reads these post, I am sure will have enough sense to see that Paul was clearly referring to idol worship. If you can't, which I am sure you do, I hate it for ya. And anyone here can see that I have poised no trick.

And to answer your other question, Paul was once under the influence of the world before his conversion. He was a minister to gentiles who believed in polytheism. And our advocate seems to think that the Sabbath was just for the Jews. "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." That should end that short discussion....MADE FOR MAN!

 

[Frogster]

Well, considering you already answered the question but failed to see it. Read verse 9 again,

"But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years!"

I pasted yours above since you went to such a task as to underline the words. But what you fail to notice is "elementary principles of the WORLD" I want everybody who reads this to get out your bibles. It does not say elementary principles of judaism. It says the world!

Furthermore, "Moses" is never mentioned in the letter to the Galatians.

I know this is frustrating, but the Judaism was not the only religion in the world at this time either.

Case closed on Galatians 4, move on to something else. Anyone who reads these post, I am sure will have enough sense to see that Paul was clearly referring to idol worship. If you can't, which I am sure you do, I hate it for ya. And anyone here can see that I have poised no trick.

And to answer your other question, Paul was once under the influence of the world before his conversion. He was a minister to gentiles who believed in polytheism. And our advocate seems to think that the Sabbath was just for the Jews. "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." That should end that short discussion....MADE FOR MAN!

It was what Paul was under,what else could he possibly mean? It was the law.He said WE.

Look here for context too,it was the law.Judaism was what Jesus was born into.Law.


Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,

here,look at the next verse too...


5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.

What else could it possibly mean?

Fine,it does not say Moses,but what else could be meant by...


Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

That is a quote from Deut 27:26

What other book of law could it be but this?

Ex 24:7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient.”


What other law could hold in sin,but Moses? Paul said WE..it had to be Judaism.Same WE as in verse 4:3.

Gal 3;23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.



This too,Lev 18:5.

Gal 3:12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”


Ok..so we see the We was what Paul was born under,judaism,the law of Moses,to which he called it an elematary principle,as the Galatians were turning too.

there ya go.

Bro,God bless...you are fun to chat with,as I have seen your posts before.

I have "galatians is the best" under my avatar.

 

[YosemiteSam]

It was what Paul was under,what else could he possibly mean? It was the law.He said WE.

Look here for context too,it was the law.Judaism was what Jesus was born into.Law.


Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,

here,look at the next verse too...


5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.

What else could it possibly mean?

Fine,it does not say Moses,but what else could be meant by...


Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

That is a quote from Deut 27:26

What other book of law could it be but this?

Ex 24:7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient.”


What other law could hold in sin,but Moses? Paul said WE..it had to be Judaism.Same WE as in verse 4:3.

Gal 3;23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.



This too,Lev 18:5.

Gal 3:12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”


Ok..so we see the We was what Paul was born under,judaism,the law of Moses,to which he called it an elematary principle,as the Galatians were turning too.

there ya go.

Bro,God bless...you are fun to chat with,as I have seen your posts before.

I have "galatians is the best" under my avatar.

So do you deem that he (Paul) would not be preaching about the law if the galatians were not Jews? So you think that because he is preaching about the law then they all must be Jews? Why would Paul not instruct them on the very thing they are to come out of? "the world" They in fact were made mostly of gentiles, pagan worshippers. The so-called Judaizers as you like to refer to them is not even mentioned in the text. There were some in the church who did not agree with Paul when it came his preaching about circumcision and uncircumcision nor agreed with him about ceremonies. But Paul, did not know who they were. Look at 5:10...Paul on his first journey to the providence of Galatia gave a sermon and you can read it in Act 13:16- This took place at Antioch. This letter is to all Galatians probably about 49AD...

But as stated earlier, there is no Sabbath mentioned in this letter. There is no Moses mentioned in this letter. There is no Judaizers mentioned in this letter. Paul here is speaking to the church (most importantly) made up mainly of gentiles with some scattered jews who also converted to christianity. Paul is addressing some problems that he heard where in the churches of the galatian providence.

But since Act 13 was mentioned here, I would that you take careful note of Acts 13:42..."And when the Jews had gone out of the synagogue, the GENTILES begged that these words might be preached to them on the next SABBATH." Interestingly, they waited a whole week until the next Sabbath. Here we see the Gentiles as well as Paul preaching on the Sabbath and begging he return the next Sabbath.

Lets keep it on the Sabbath.

Nice talking to ya. We can go to law at some other time.

Y