Does the bible teach that there is a hell of eternal torment for unbelievers?

[visionary]

"taking vengeance" .......just love it!

 

[Timothew]

Read verse 9 of the chapter I quoted or where? Here is verse 9 from Mark 9. It reads as follows:

9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus gave them orders not to tell anyone what they had seen until the Son of Man had risen from the dead.
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Verse 49 is closer to the passage I quoted but still does not explain what you are trying to say. Verse 47 PLAINLY states:

47 "And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell"
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So could you please share with me where you are getting your verse from, and could you post it for me in it's entirety? Thanks.

What about what Jesus said about the whole "better to have a millstone tied around the neck of one who misleads than to"... face what? Will you please respond?

Thank you.

In Christ, GB

Matthew 18, verses 8 and 9.
If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

 

[Tariki]

Thanks for replying.

Do you believe that God created humanity and all that is all?

Just looking for common ground.

Common ground?......try Thomas Merton's The Hidden Ground of Love.

"God" and "created" are SO loaded.

 

[someguy14]

"taking vengeance" .......just love it!

Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

 

[someguy14]

Common ground?......try Thomas Merton's The Hidden Ground of Love.

"God" and "created" are SO loaded.

God is love.

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

 

[Tariki]

Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

To be serious, perhaps people need to give serious consideration to just how such "vengeance" should be comprehended.

 

[Timothew]

everlasting destruction

Does it scare you, or are you trying to help those that don't believe in everlasting torment?

I don't think that rich man thought much about hell until he arrived in hell and looked over at Lazarus with Abraham in paradise. I wouldn't want anybody to avoid the caution of hell by telling them that there isn't a hell. I don't think you would want that either. None want to actually go to hell, though some serve the works of the devil. May God give us strength to do His will.

What?

Everlasting destruction is not everlasting torment in hell. I'm trying to help those that don't believe everlasting torment. I'm also trying to help those that do believe in everlasting torment.

I don't understand your question.
Are you suggesting that 2 Thess 1:9 (Everlasting Destruction) supports the doctrine of everlasting torment? 2 Thess 1:9 supports the doctrine of everlasting destruction and not everlasting torment. Does your bible version read "these pay the penalty of everlasting torment" in 2 Thess 1:9?

 

[Tariki]

God is love.

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Common ground:-

Christianity:- If I have no love I am nothing.

Buddhism:- If I am nothing, then there is love.

 

[someguy14]

To be serious, perhaps people need to give serious consideration to just how such "vengeance" should be comprehended.

Your following ways of Buddha? Is vengeance worded as "karma"? Getting what you give kinda thing...

 

[someguy14]

What?

Everlasting destruction is not everlasting torment in hell. I'm trying to help those that don't believe everlasting torment. I'm also trying to help those that do believe in everlasting torment.

I don't understand your question.
Are you suggesting that 2 Thess 1:9 (Everlasting Destruction) supports the doctrine of everlasting torment? 2 Thess 1:9 supports the doctrine of everlasting destruction and not everlasting torment. Does your bible version read "these pay the penalty of everlasting torment" in 2 Thess 1:9?

Oh. Your thinking there are seperate meanings for the punishment of Gods wrath. I hear ya.

 

[someguy14]

I can sense the tension on this thread and am kinda tippy toeing through it

 

[Timothew]

Oh. Your thinking there are seperate meanings for the punishment of Gods wrath. I hear ya.

I'm sorry, I still don't understand. Please be patient.
The punishment is eternal destruction. How are there separate meanings for the punishment of God's wrath? How did you get that I think there are separate meanings from what I posted?

 

[someguy14]

I'm trying to help those that don't believe everlasting torment. I'm also trying to help those that do believe in everlasting torment.

So you believe in Gods Word when it mentions hell and torment? for some, and others that aren't with God, cease from existing?

 

[Timothew]

I believe God's word. I don't believe the traditional interpretations that some people on this thread are insisting are God's words. Did you see the first post? Wasn't that "God's Word" that I posted?

 

[someguy14]

It sounds as though the misunderstanding on this thread is concerning Revelation 20:10 and Revelation 20:14-15.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:14-15
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Timothew]

It sounds as though the misunderstanding on this thread is concerning Revelation 20:10 and Revelation 20:14-15.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:14-15
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I agree, there are some who are confused about this, however John himself says that the lake of fire is the second death. This makes it impossible for the lake of fire to be a place of everlasting torture.

 

[Robert Mac]

And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Let's stop trying to 'sugar-coat' this. God loves all of mankind, He gives ample opportunity to all to turn to Him and receive His Love, His Son, Jesus. Those who refuse Him....will not be 'forced' to love Him......The bible clearly states the consequences. These are not 'a judgemental christian' opinion. This is from God. Those who He has called to 'deliver the message'...are simply that: delivering the message. It is not my job to twist your arm, or beat you over the head with it. I hope I pray for salvation for all. But this is only possible for those who would willingly participate.
Think about it....could I warmly invite someone who hates you..... to come and go freely in 'your house'? This is not rocket science.

 

[Tariki]

And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Let's stop trying to 'sugar-coat' this. God loves all of mankind, He gives ample opportunity to all to turn to Him and receive His Love, His Son, Jesus. Those who refuse Him....will not be 'forced' to love Him......The bible clearly states the consequences. These are not 'a judgemental christian' opinion. This is from God. Those who He has called to 'deliver the message'...are simply that: delivering the message. It is not my job to twist your arm, or beat you over the head with it. I hope I pray for salvation for all. But this is only possible for those who would willingly participate.
Think about it....could I warmly invite someone who hates you..... to come and go freely in 'your house'? This is not rocket science.

Nor is it Rocket Science to recognise that there are many Faiths in the world.

Think about it.

 

[Zaac]

Thank you, that was actually my second point in the OP. I don't see how people can read this passage and still say that the punishment is everlasting torture in hell. The bible says right here that the punishment is destruction.

And just as surely as you are using worldly discernment to define death, you're doing the same to define destruction.

I mean seriously. What's the real reason behind folks building this mountain of lies?

It's like I said to Montalban, in order for your assertion to be correct and the FULL COUNSEL of God's word to be incorrect, you have to throw out God's word.

And there seems to be a party going on here now to destroy the integrity of what God's word says.

But never no mind. False teaching tends to beget false teaching because the false teachers have to defend their lies.

The remnant will continue to rightly divide the word with God's discernment that does not author confusion that is not of Him.

So again, you're confused about the Biblical definition of death and you're equally confused about the Biblical definition of destruction.

Now somebody may want to ask themselves why EVERLASTING destruction is said as opposed to just destruction?

 

[Zaac]

I believe God's word. I don't believe the traditional interpretations that some people on this thread are insisting are God's words. Did you see the first post? Wasn't that "God's Word" that I posted?

And then as now, it is evident that you use a wordly wisdom to define these terms rather than God and His word.

Thus you contradict what HE says.