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Does the Bible Support a Flat Earth ?

Phil G

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Here is another verse that relates to a level earth.

In your days, have you commanded the morning or assigned the dawn its place, 13that it might spread to the ends of the earth and shake the wicked out of it? The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its hills stand out like the folds of a garment.… Job 38:14

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It has been explained to you repeatedly that this has nothing to do with the shape of the earth but how the coming of morning reveals details that were hidden in the night, and that the wicked are shaken out by the coming of morning.

You even agreed with me on the above points in another thread posts #1238 & #1239 here:


You are obviously incapable of consistently reading Scripture in context and choose instead to revert back to your indoctrination programming.
 
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Here is another verse that relates to a level earth.

In your days, have you commanded the morning or assigned the dawn its place, 13that it might spread to the ends of the earth and shake the wicked out of it? The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its hills stand out like the folds of a garment.… Job 38:14

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I don't know which translation that is, but the NKJV, which I use, says:


“12 ¶ "Have you commanded the morning since your days began, And caused the dawn to know its place, 13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it? 14 It takes on form like clay under a seal, And stands out like a garment.” (Job 38:12-14 NKJV)

The clay under a seal is pointing to the way the earth takes on form, just like clay under a seal does. The words about standing out like a garment would argue against flatness. If it was talking about a folded garment (flat), it wouldn't say "stands out".
 
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It has been explained to you repeatedly that this has nothing to do with the shape of the earth but how the coming of morning reveals details that were hidden in the night, and that the wicked are shaken out by the coming of morning.

You even agreed with me on the above points.

Yes but having thought it through I perceive it differently now.
 
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Yes but having thought it through I perceive it differently now.
No, you just reverted back to your flat earth conspiracy theory indoctrination programming. The context is obvious. You are falsifying Scripture with your nonsense.

There’s no point in discussing anything with you any further. You’re not being rational.
 
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No, you just reverted back to your flat earth conspiracy theory indoctrination programming. The context is obvious. You are falsifying Scrioture with your nonsense.

There’s no point in discussing anything with you any further. You’re not being rational.

Okay, bye :wave:
 
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The way I'd frame the question goes something like this:
Does God's own Creation as Created by God with His own hands support a Flat Earth?
I'd say that clearly it does not.

Why not ?
 
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There are well over 200 verses in the Bible that support a flat earth.
There could be 2 million, and it would not matter. It only takes one truth to dismiss that theory entirely.
 
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There are well over 200 verses in the Bible that support a flat earth.
It's not the only place were what we find in the Bible is way different than the reality which we actually find regarding the earth, as created by God.
 
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It's not the only place were what we find in the Bible is way different than the reality which we actually find regarding the earth, as created by God.

Like where ?
 
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Its obviously written from the author's perspective. As it appeared from the ground. Not from a cosmological perspective of somebody floating somewhere above the solar system.
"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the holy Ghost."
 
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"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the holy Ghost."
We are not talking about prophecies, here. We are talking about a specific event narrative about Israel's past.

Let us not misapply the verses like the one you mentioned.
 
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There are well over 200 verses in the Bible that support a flat earth.

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Only if those verses are read in a non-Christological, hyper-literal manner, which is why we don’t find among the writings of the Early Church Fathers any writings that support a flat Earth doctrine.

On the contrary, a spherical Earth is upheld explicitly in the writings of St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Ambrose of Milan, and Origen Admantius, to name three of the most important early Church Fathers*, whose defense of Orthodox doctrine in the face of Gnosticism by Origen, and the defense of the doctrine of the Incarnation against the non-Trinitarianism of Arius, Macedonius and other fourth century heretics by St. Basil and St. Ambrose can only be described as stalwart.

If the correct exegesis of the Old Testament of these verses, known even then to be poetic rather than descriptive, since most educated people at the time of Christ were aware the world was round, and this would remain the case throughout the next millenium with only a slight reduction due to the impact of Mohammed’s claim that the world was flat, that the disappearance of the sails of ships below the horizon was an optical illusion, and his narration of Alexander the Great (who Muslims revere as a prophet, daring to place the heathen tyrant in the same category to which they blasphemously reduce Christ our True God, the only begotten Son and Word of the Father who became incarnate for our salvation, through his glorious and triumphant passion on the Cross, and who together with the Father and the Spirit is one God, holy and undivided, to whom alone is due all adoration and worship, now and ever and unto the ages of all ages), required a belief that, against all evidence, and for no logical reason, God had created a flat world, then we can rest assured that these three pious fathers of the Church would have called our attention to the fact.

But as we know, the world is not flat (for if it were flat, everything, from the distances between cities in the Northern Hemisphere, to the the flights that connect the Southern hemisphere, to the movement of celestial bodies, and the appearance of the horizon, would be different. Indeed, travel times between cities in the Northern Hemisphere as well as between cities in the Southern Hemisphere and the distortion they would experience under the model favored by members of the Flat Earth movement are among the more obvious proofs, along with the horizon itself, which prompted the celebrated experiment of Erastothenes in the third century B.C. which enabled a remarkably accurate calculation as to the diameter of the world.

*I would argue, controversially, that St. Ambrose was the most important Latin-speaking church father, more influential in the long run in terms of his impact on the liturgy and his widespread reception by Eastern Christendom than the celebrated St. Augustine, who is perhaps the most important church father in the West, but in the East, is scarcely read at all, and mainly for moral edification, with the doctrinal views of St. Augustine being rejected in favor of the alternative anti-Pelagian hamartiology of St. John Cassian and the more ancient sacramental theology of St. Cyprian of Carthage, who interestingly enough, were also Western church fathers, so the reluctance of the East to embrace Augustinian doctrine was not by any means an example of anti-Occidental prejudice).
 
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Would it be a good idea to use a different word instead of "round", because both a disc and a sphere are round?

“Oblate spheroid” would technically be the most correct, although in antiquity they knew the Earth was spherical, but the equatorial bulge is a relatively recent discovery, and is very slight.
 
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although in antiquity they knew the Earth was spherical,

So why did Isaiah say that it is God who sits above the circle of the earth & uses a measuring line to measure the earth ?
 
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