Does the Bible Support a Flat Earth ?

[Apple Sky]

This (v20) is not even talking about the physical sun and moon. v19-20 is about God being your 'sun and moon'. Both verses have 'the Lord will be your everlasting light'. v1 starts with 'Arise shine, for your light has come'. This is part of the visions that Isaiah saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem (1v1) and wrote in poetic language. The subject of prophecy is beyond the scope of this thread.

I agree except for the part where it says 'Your sun shall no more go down, nor your moon withdraw itself' This means God's people will longer witness the sun setting or the moon waning.

 

[trophy33]

I agree except for the part where it says 'Your sun shall no more go down, nor your moon withdraw itself' This means God's people will longer witness the sun setting or the moon waning.

If you cared to read other posters carefully, you would know his point is that, the sun and the moon in the text are not about the literal sun and about the literal moon - which you said you agree with, however, you do not.

"Your sun and your moon" are obviously not the the sun and moon we all see.

 

[David Lamb]

I agree except for the part where it says 'Your sun shall no more go down, nor your moon withdraw itself' This means God's people will longer witness the sun setting or the moon waning.

You have taken the verse out of context. If you take it together with verse 19, you see that "your sun" and "your moon" are referring to God Himself:

“19 "The sun shall no longer be your light by day, Nor for brightness shall the moon give light to you; But the LORD will be to you an everlasting light, And your God your glory. 20 Your sun shall no longer go down, Nor shall your moon withdraw itself; For the LORD will be your everlasting light, And the days of your mourning shall be ended.” (Isa 60:19-20 NKJV)

So this is speaking of a time when the actual sun and moon would no longer be light by day and night, and comparing this to Revelation, that is in heaven itself.

 

[Apple Sky]

If you cared to read other posters carefully, you would know his point is that, the sun and the moon in the text are not about the literal sun and about the literal moon -

Nothing is literal in your Bible

 

[trophy33]

Nothing is literal in your Bible

"Your sun and your moon" are obviously not the the sun and moon we all see. Think a bit.

 

[Apple Sky]

You have taken the verse out of context. If you take it together with verse 19, you see that "your sun" and "your moon" are referring to God Himself:

“19 "The sun shall no longer be your light by day, Nor for brightness shall the moon give light to you; But the LORD will be to you an everlasting light, And your God your glory. 20 Your sun shall no longer go down, Nor shall your moon withdraw itself; For the LORD will be your everlasting light, And the days of your mourning shall be ended.” (Isa 60:19-20 NKJV)

New International Version
Your sun will never set again, and your moon will wane no more; the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your days of sorrow will end.

 

[David Lamb]

New International Version
Your sun will never set again, and your moon will wane no more; the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your days of sorrow will end.

But whatever translation you use, the context shows that the verse you quote is not referring to the literal sun and moon. The previous verse has said that the sun would no longer be their light by day nor the moon by night, so it would make no sense at all to then say that the literal sun, which is no longer their light, would never set, and their moon would never wane. Add that to the fact that your verse ends by saying that The LORD will be their everlasting light, and we see that the sun and moon mentioned in verse 20 cannot be the literal sun and moon, any more than verse 16 means that the people would obtain literal milk from literal kings' breasts:

“You shall drink the milk of the Gentiles, And milk the breast of kings; You shall know that I, the LORD, [am] your Savior And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.” (Isa 60:16 NKJV)

 

[Apple Sky]

But whatever translation you use, the context shows that the verse you quote is not referring to the literal sun and moon.

This is how most would interpret it, to mean, that your sun will never set again.

 

[rambot]

I agree except for the part where it says 'Your sun shall no more go down, nor your moon withdraw itself' This means God's people will longer witness the sun setting or the moon waning.

It's a poem.

The sun and moon are metaphors for the God if israel.

 

[NBB]

The bible says man without science is bad.
It also says there is false science,.
But round -sorry globe- earth is not false science.

You can download those planetarium software.
And you can set the position of your city and time of day.
And see for yourself, that it predicts correctly even for thousands of years ahead and back, the position of stars and planets.
You can look at the planets yourself with binoculars or something and is accurate.
There is lots of this program that are not connected to internet at all.

How this works? because they figured it out how the planets etc move.

 

[David Lamb]

This is how most would interpret it, to mean, that your sun will never set again.

But the context shows us that it's talking about a time when the literal sun is no longer their light. The previous verse has said that the sun would no longer be their light by day nor the moon by night, so it would make no sense at all to then say that the literal sun, which is no longer their light, would never set.

 

[David Lamb]

The bible says man without science is bad.
It also says there is false science,.
But round earth is not false science.

Would it be a good idea to use a different word instead of "round", because both a disc and a sphere are round?

 

[The Liturgist]

Would it be a good idea to use a different word instead of "round", because both a disc and a sphere are round?

Yes, technically, the best words to use would be spheroid or globular, when describing the Earth, as it is not perfectly spherical but rather slightly bulges to the equator.

But it is such a beautiful globe shaped planet God has given us.

 

[Apple Sky]

But the context shows us that it's talking about a time when the literal sun is no longer their light. The previous verse has said that the sun would no longer be their light by day nor the moon by night, so it would make no sense at all to then say that the literal sun, which is no longer their light, would never set.

But it does.

 

[Apple Sky]

But it is such a beautiful globe shaped planet God has given us.

I agree, the earth is beautiful, but it is not a globe shaped planet.

 

[David Lamb]

But it does.

Sorry, what does what? Do you mean that the literal sun still sets? Of course, and that shows that the passage cannot be talking about the iteral sun.

 

[Apple Sky]

Sorry, what does what? Do you mean that the literal sun still sets? Of course, and that shows that the passage cannot be talking about the iteral sun.

Why not ?

 

[Apple Sky]

@Phil G Dunno what your laughing at.

 

[David Lamb]

Why not ?

I have already said why not several times. I'll try again, using different wording. When we look at any individual bible verse, it is essential to take note of the context (the surrounding verses). Take a verse like this:

“Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take [it], and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.” (Lu 22:36 NKJV)

Out of context, we could wrongly assume that Christians with no sword should sell their clothes in order to buy one! Similarly with the verse that started our discussion:

“Your sun shall no longer go down, Nor shall your moon withdraw itself; For the LORD will be your everlasting light, And the days of your mourning shall be ended.” (Isa 60:20 NKJV)

Taken by itself, it could be thought to mean the literal sun and moon. But put it into its context:

“19 "The sun shall no longer be your light by day, Nor for brightness shall the moon give light to you; But the LORD will be to you an everlasting light, And your God your glory. 20 Your sun shall no longer go down, Nor shall your moon withdraw itself; For the LORD will be your everlasting light, And the days of your mourning shall be ended.” (Isa 60:19-20 NKJV)

You see? Verse 19 makes clear that this is a situation where the literal sun and moon are no longer giving light. Instead, the Lord will be their everlasting light. That's repeated in verse 20. How could the literal sun be both "no longer be your light" (v19) and "no longer go down" (verse 20)?

 

[Apple Sky]

Here is another verse that relates to a level earth.

In your days, have you commanded the morning or assigned the dawn its place, 13that it might spread to the ends of the earth and shake the wicked out of it? The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its hills stand out like the folds of a garment.… Job 38:14