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History has spoken. The city was supposed to be never inhabited again and yet people live there today. Read the verse.Thou hast spoken?
You really need to stop taking your toys and going home (to your empirical world). Given the subject matter, it's just not effective.And once again the rules of this forum say that essentially science can hold sway here. We are not even allowed to discuss the existence of God here except under very limited circumstances. But since you claimed that empirical evidence is "too archaic" the burden of proof for that falls upon you.
You think too small. I wasn't talking about the rules here, as in here, but as in the subject of which we are speaking. What would the point be of comparing science with the bible, if it were all done according to science?
Too bad. With a little honesty on your part you could have learned something. And watch the false accusations. That is against the rules of this forum. Again, I do not have the flaw of faith, or rather I try to minimalize it.
And how can I face that which does not exist? I have already shown that I will not be meeting your version of God. You are running away because you know that you are wrong but can't bring yourself to admit it. I even offered to break everything down for you and that was too much.
But I know that I do not know it all. I simply know much more than you do. Your main flaw is that you will not let yourself learn because you are afraid. Knowledge is nothing to be afraid of.
Who can say that I am "not with God". I am just not with your demonstrably wrong version of God.
And again the empty threats and bad logic. People only threaten when they know that they are wrong.
But the Bible is not a valid source. We have been over this and you are merely picking and choosing from a failed book. That proves nothing.
But faith is a flaw. Your faith is only an irrational response to a rational fear. Yes, it is rational to be afraid of death. It is irrational to make up stories to allay those fears.
And back to the empty threats. The simple fact is that your version of God has been shown to be wrong, just as the version of God of the Flat Earthers has been shown to be wrong. I do not claim that all versions of God have been refuted. But your personal view can be shown to be wrong. Do you understand that when I say there are "40,000 different versions of God" I am including those that you call "false". But just as science shows that the version of God that the Flat Earthers have is "false" science shows that your version of God is "false".
You don't have to drop Christianity to accept science and reality. These Christians have not done so:
Again these are not my rules. They are the rules of the forum. Is that such a hard concept for you to understand?You really need to stop taking your toys and going home (to your empirical world). Given the subject matter, it's just not effective.
Then history can take a hike.History has spoken.
Oh, wow.Subduction Zone said:The city was supposed to be never inhabited again and yet people live there today.
What is the point, science does just as much harm as it does good.Wrong, but since you have shown that you can't discuss science rationally there really is no point in discussing this with you. Sadly you deny all science but have no problem in hypocritically using the benefits of the science that you deny.
What is the point, science does just as much harm as it does good.
Then history can take a hike.
Show me from historical documentation that Tyre was never destroyed in the first place.Oh, wow.
So someone builds a tel and calls it by the name of the city it was built on.
And that constitutes "failed prophecy"?
I don't think so.
No, the problem is, we are not dealing with a level playing field, and you don't even recognize that you are not allowing any terms but your own. The subject goes beyond your [scientific] position. If you do not see that we must also go beyond your [scientific] position to address the topic...then we can't even begin to address it. I am just trying to get it started.If the Bible supported science it would show that the Bible agrees with science, the subject of this thread. But as we know, it doesn't. Science can be used to show that many interpretations of the Bible are wrong.
And I am not "thinking too small". Again, we are limited in what we can debate here. Name some other forum where people can debate more freely if you want to complain about the responses that you are getting here.
But the simple fact is that you have not and seem unable to support your own beliefs here. And that you have any knowledge at all is highly dubious.
Asking adults to think like children is, well, stupid.You are wrong. It's perfect:
"Unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 18:3
As I said, if all they had to do is build a tel and call it "Tyre," then I submit you guys are easily buffaloed.Yes, according to the prophecy it was not even supposed to be rebuilt. No one was to live on it again. Read your Bible. It failed.
No, the rules here do not limit you from allowing outside information for outside topics. That limit is your limit, and it makes this topic something that cannot be discussed. If you can support your [empirical] position with empirical evidence, then we should be able to support our [spiritual] position with spiritual evidence. And if you can't agree to that, then we can't even get started (because of you).Again these are not my rules. They are the rules of the forum. Is that such a hard concept for you to understand?
I was honest. You just didn't want to believe I was.
There's only one God, you'll face Him. You haven't shown me anything that you wouldn't meet God. You will. Nope not running away because I'm wrong. Again, you can't tell anyone who thinks they know all, anything. You have? Break down why there is no God.
Your correct knowledge is nothing to be afraid of...remember that as you Learn about God. You know that what is necessary to justify your sins. that's all.
You are your own evidence on that. What you say, comes from your heart. If you were with God, you'd have the fear of God and with that comes the knowledge of God and then wisdom. Of which you have none, because you have no fear. Not a good thing.
There not threats...a threat is something the might happen. Not threatening you, Warning you. You will see one day.
That "failed book" has lasted longer than any other, will be here long after you and I are gone, and you'll hear the words again.
Nope, I don't fear death, not in the least. Because I know that when I die, I will be with Christ. I fear God, because he is the one who can send me to Hell. But I fear no man, ever.
Then your flawed. Because you have faith.
Your right again, there are false gods and have been proven to be so. but God Jehovah of the Bible. The Creator, the alpha and omega, the forgiver of all sins, the God that will judge you and me someday, the God everlasting, omniscience, omnipotent, The bright and morning star. El, Eloah, Elohim, El shaddai, Adonai, YHWH,YAWEH JIREH, YAHWAH RAPHA...NEVER HAS and NEVER WILL be refuted.
Never said I don't accept science. Love science. I don't accept evolution as a science...it's a hoax, lie, flimflam, and garbage.
And again, showing you have faith in it.
Yeah, seen that website...it's wrong also, they belong to the list of gods that have been refuted. they've made up a god that needs evolution to create. the real God of Gods, the first and the last...doesn't need any help. Not even from me.
You'll see one day.
Sandlot rules. Ours, not yours. Sorry, that doesn't work here. Empirical evidence is too archaic.
Please use proper English. "Tel" is not an example of that:As I said, if all they had to do is build a tel and call it "Tyre," then I submit you guys are easily buffaloed.
My evidence is in the Bible. My evidence is in your Biology book and my evidence is in the History book. All three of them agree. Of course you have Archaeology, Botany and Environmentalism and more detailed areas of study also. College text books are filled with information about this subject. We are talking about HOW farming begain in the Middle East and spread to Europe. It is interesting that very much the same thing was going on in the Yellow River valley in China. If that makes you more comfortable to talk about that. From the Eden in China farming spread out to all of China. From the Furtile Crescent farming spread out to Europe. One if the interesting areas to study is the Ancient Silk Highway. Where the East and the West slowly began to blend their food supply. For example the first noodles were from China. When the traders were taking silk material from China into the East they also took Chinese noodles with them. Only in the West they made noodles out of the grains they had. Instead of rice noodles or bean noodles they made noodles out of wheat, rye and barley. Still east is east and west is west and they both have their own Eden and their own food supply that evolved along with their biodiverse eco system. As I am sure you could tell me just how many eco systems there are here on planet earth on land and the sea.Where is your evidence that Noah spread this knowledge?
My evidence is in the Bible.
My evidence is in your Biology book and my evidence is in the History book.
We are talking about HOW farming begain in the Middle East and spread to Europe. It is interesting that very much the same thing was going on in the Yellow River valley in China. If that makes you more comfortable to talk about that. From the Eden in China farming spread out to all of China.
From the Furtile Crescent farming spread out to Europe. One if the interesting areas to study is the Ancient Silk Highway. Where the East and the West slowly began to blend their food supply. For example the first noodles were from China. When the traders were taking silk material from China into the East they also took Chinese noodles with them. Only in the West they made noodles out of the grains they had. Instead of rice noodles or bean noodles they made noodles out of wheat, rye and barley. Still east is east and west is west and they both have their own Eden and their own food supply that evolved along with their biodiverse eco system. As I am sure you could tell me just how many eco systems there are here on planet earth on land and the sea.
If the Bible supported science it would show that the Bible agrees with science, the subject of this thread. But as we know, it doesn't.
Science can be used to show that many interpretations of the Bible are wrong.
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