Does Modern Science Align with the Bible?

[daq]

Couldn't explain to you the movements of the heavens as I never traveled that high nor do I have the means to. What I can say from my own life experience and observations is that shadows move either when the light source or object is moving. However being able to explain the motions of the heavenly bodies is not needed to understand that they have been working just fine without my knowledge of how it happens: in like fashion it's not a requirement to know the inner workings of a car to get your driver's license.

Here's another video from a non-flat earther showing a rocket launch at 200,000 Feet in Phoenix, Arizona. One can see that there is no observed spinning of the earth and that the camera again has a fish eye lense which causes the horizon to go back and forth between straight, convex, and concave:

So while I've provided adequate video evidence to call the heliocentric model into question by showing that there is no spin or curve: it's up to you to provide evidence showing the contrary.

Just as I thought: one who imagines himself to be refuting things he knows nothing about with nothing more in his arsenal than videos of camera footage from balloons and rocket launches and accusations of paganism. Did the ancients have balloons and rockets with video cameras mounted on them?

What I offered in the previous post is undeniable empirical visual evidence that may be seen from the ground, has no need to be filtered through a camera lens, fish-eye or not, and may be seen with the natural eye just about anywhere on earth during either of the two astronomical equinoxes. And we know that the ancient Egyptians had obelisks and other similar devices like shadow clocks which they used for dividing up the day, (telling time).

I myself also happen to know that the ancient Hebrews also had similar technology even before Egypt.

 

[dani'el]

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I can't tell by looking how far the sun is, but it does not look close. And if it is as big as they say and as far away then it would likely look relatively small. But I leave that to the mathematicians to figure out.

I was raised in the Southwest and spent most of my adult life in the Pacific Northwest. The sun definitely LOOKS closer up here! But to say it is just because it looks like that- I'm not prepared to say that. And it may look closer up here, but I can tell you for a fact it makes things hotter down there!

 

[Humble Penny]

Just as I thought: one who imagines himself to be refuting things he knows nothing about with nothing more in his arsenal than videos of camera footage from balloons and rocket launches and accusations of paganism. Did the ancients have balloons and rockets with video cameras mounted on them?

What I offered in the previous post is undeniable empirical visual evidence that may be seen from the ground, has no need to be filtered through a camera lens, fish-eye or not, and may be seen with the natural eye just about anywhere on earth during either of the two astronomical equinoxes. And we know that the ancient Egyptians had obelisks and other similar devices like shadow clocks which they used for dividing up the day, (telling time).

I myself also happen to know that the ancient Hebrews also had similar technology even before Egypt.

And there's a huge flaw in your argument: the ancients were able to accurately tell time with Sundials and predict eclipses using a geocentric model. This would throw a wrench into the heliocentric model because if sundials and eclipses are supposed "proofs" of a globe earth then it follows that the Babylonians and other ancient astronomers should have gotten incorrect readings.

But with your simple reasoning just because I can't explain to an atheist how God created everything: therefore God must not exist. You believe that heliocentrism is based in "factual truth" yet the founder of it and some other well known adherents clearly say that it is based in their mystery religions.

 

[Humble Penny]

Just as I thought: one who imagines himself to be refuting things he knows nothing about with nothing more in his arsenal than videos of camera footage from balloons and rocket launches and accusations of paganism. Did the ancients have balloons and rockets with video cameras mounted on them?

What I offered in the previous post is undeniable empirical visual evidence that may be seen from the ground, has no need to be filtered through a camera lens, fish-eye or not, and may be seen with the natural eye just about anywhere on earth during either of the two astronomical equinoxes. And we know that the ancient Egyptians had obelisks and other similar devices like shadow clocks which they used for dividing up the day, (telling time).

I myself also happen to know that the ancient Hebrews also had similar technology even before Egypt.

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I can't tell by looking how far the sun is, but it does not look close. And if it is as big as they say and as far away then it would likely look relatively small. But I leave that to the mathematicians to figure out.

I was raised in the Southwest and spent most of my adult life in the Pacific Northwest. The sun definitely LOOKS closer up here! But to say it is just because it looks like that- I'm not prepared to say that. And it may look closer up here, but I can tell you for a fact it makes things hotter down there!

Otherwise I have flown to Alaska, Japan, Washington, Texas, and the Philippines, failed to observe any curvature to and from all these trips. The videos I posted from globers clearly show the earth at rest with a plane surface...anyone viewing the video can see the truth of this...ne need for elaborate explanations or loads of charts and formulas...just simple scientific observation:


Modern Science claim:
Earth is a globe.

My observation:
Independent pro globe high altitude videos show it as a plane surface.

Conclusion:
Modern science claim refuted.

 

[Humble Penny]

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I can't tell by looking how far the sun is, but it does not look close. And if it is as big as they say and as far away then it would likely look relatively small. But I leave that to the mathematicians to figure out.

I was raised in the Southwest and spent most of my adult life in the Pacific Northwest. The sun definitely LOOKS closer up here! But to say it is just because it looks like that- I'm not prepared to say that. And it may look closer up here, but I can tell you for a fact it makes things hotter down there!

Don't worry brother I won't ask unrealistic things of you that is not within your circle of knowledge to prove. I'm simply asking that you use your eyes and common sense and ask yourself:

What do these high altitude videos show the observer about the nature of the earth?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I also find it sickening that more people in the Church are also allowing themselves to be fooled into thinking that evolution and creation are compatible...which they are most definitely not...

Personally I think many Christians get so hung up on trying to defend Christianity that they overlook the obvious. Creation is a miracle and miracles are by definition unexplainable by science. We don’t need to defend Christianity with science, they are polar opposites. The sooner accept that the sooner we will understand that truth is truth regardless of the evidence and we don’t need to prove anything to anyone. If a person is incapable of believing in miracles then he is incapable of believing the word of God. It’s that simple.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Otherwise I have flown to Alaska, Japan, Washington, Texas, and the Philippines, failed to observe any curvature to and from all these trips. The videos I posted from globers clearly show the earth at rest with a plane surface...anyone viewing the video can see the truth of this...ne need for elaborate explanations or loads of charts and formulas...just simple scientific observation:


Modern Science claim:
Earth is a globe.

My observation:
Independent pro globe high altitude videos show it as a plane surface.

Conclusion:
Modern science claim refuted.

I could clearly see the curvature of the earth flying to & from the Philippines.

 

[Humble Penny]

I could clearly see the curvature of the earth flying to & from the Philippines.

Well as I've posed to brothers @dani'el and @daq please provide documented evidence contrary to what I've shared in the videos from pro globalists that the earth is a sphere. Those same videos show the earth to be at rest with a plane surface.

 

[Humble Penny]

Personally I think many Christians get so hung up on trying to defend Christianity that they overlook the obvious. Creation is a miracle and miracles are by definition unexplainable by science. We don’t need to defend Christianity with science, they are polar opposites. The sooner accept that the sooner we will understand that truth is truth regardless of the evidence and we don’t need to prove anything to anyone. If a person is incapable of believing in miracles then he is incapable of believing the word of God. It’s that simple.

I'd caution you brother to be careful of statements you make because Jesus Christ said that not only will we be judged for our deeds but our words will either justify or condemn us at the Final Judgment:

"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Matthew 12:36-37 NASB1995

If people are going to be making claims then they had better be able to back them up...otherwise we'll be seen as speaking idle words.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Couldn't explain to you the movements of the heavens as I never traveled that high nor do I have the means to. What I can say from my own life experience and observations is that shadows move either when the light source or object is moving. However being able to explain the motions of the heavenly bodies is not needed to understand that they have been working just fine without my knowledge of how it happens: in like fashion it's not a requirement to know the inner workings of a car to get your driver's license.

Here's another video from a non-flat earther showing a rocket launch at 200,000 Feet in Phoenix, Arizona. One can see that there is no observed spinning of the earth and that the camera again has a fish eye lense which causes the horizon to go back and forth between straight, convex, and concave:

So while I've provided adequate video evidence to call the heliocentric model into question by showing that there is no spin or curve: it's up to you to provide evidence showing the contrary.

Couldn't explain to you the movements of the heavens as I never traveled that high nor do I have the means to. What I can say from my own life experience and observations is that shadows move either when the light source or object is moving. However being able to explain the motions of the heavenly bodies is not needed to understand that they have been working just fine without my knowledge of how it happens: in like fashion it's not a requirement to know the inner workings of a car to get your driver's license.

Here's another video from a non-flat earther showing a rocket launch at 200,000 Feet in Phoenix, Arizona. One can see that there is no observed spinning of the earth and that the camera again has a fish eye lense which causes the horizon to go back and forth between straight, convex, and concave:

So while I've provided adequate video evidence to call the heliocentric model into question by showing that there is no spin or curve: it's up to you to provide evidence showing the contrary.

Ok I have a few questions about your video. Where’s Europe? Where’s Asia? Where’s Australia? Where’s Africa? Why don’t we see any of these continents? You do realize that the Earth rotates one revolution every 24 hours right? So that’s 6 hours just to see 1/4 of a rotation. Your video footage is 15 minutes and doesn’t stay still. So if the footage was still for 15 minutes you would see 1/96th of a rotation but because it keeps moving your never going to notice that small of a rotation.To put that into perspective it would be like watching a clock for 15 minutes and noticing the minute hand moving from 12:00 halfway to 12:01. You’ll never be able to notice that small of a movement on that wobbly camera on that rocket.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I'd caution you brother to be careful of statements you make because Jesus Christ said that not only will we be judged for our deeds but our words will either justify or condemn us at the Final Judgment:

"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Matthew 12:36-37 NASB1995

If people are going to be making claims then they had better be able to back them up...otherwise we'll be seen as speaking idle words.

That’s a two way street brother. There are plenty of videos of ships sailing over the horizon disappearing from bottom to top. There are plenty of photos taken from high elevations looking out towards the ocean that don’t show islands that are 60 miles away. The evidence is out there, the problem is some people close their eyes and don’t want to see it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I don't need to address the rest of the supposed science and mathematics of the heliocentric model as the foundation has been proven to be based on pagan religious beliefs instead of scientific observation as claimed by modern "science" in posts #45 and #52.

Anyways here's two independent videos from non-flat earthers launching high altitude balloons at +109,000 Feet in the air:

It's clear from both videos that we don't live on a spinning ball. The second video is clearly using a fish-eye lens as you can see the horizon going from flat to concave, and from flat to convex multiple times....and just look at how close the Sun is to the earth... definitely not the millions of miles away as we are falsely told...

Take a clock and glue a ball on the hour hand at the center of the clock and watch how fast the ball rotates then realize that the ball is spinning 24 times faster than the earth.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Well as I've posed to brothers @dani'el and @daq please provide documented evidence contrary to what I've shared in the videos from pro globalists that the earth is a sphere. Those same videos show the earth to be at rest with a plane surface.

Im sure you’ve probably seen this before but this is an example of the curvature of the earth as we watch a ship sail over the horizon and back again in time lapse.

 

[BNR32FAN]

As a separate question if you don't believe the Egyptians built the pyramids then who did? Aside from this second question I'm still having a hard time visualizing a circle less than or greater than 360° Degrees especially since we know that half of a circle is 180° Degrees and a quarter of a circle is 90° Degrees. Maybe I'm not catching what you're saying?

Degrees is just a unit of measurement. A person could say a circle has 4 degrees or 100 degrees it’s just a unit of measurement. In a 4 degree circle 1 degree would be 1/4th of a circle. In a 100 degree circle 25 degrees would be 1/4th of a circle. One could say that a circle has 12 degrees so 3 degrees would be at 3 o clock on a clock.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hmmm...while one can definitely divide the degrees into smaller units it still must add up to the original whole, in the case of our specific discussion the 360° Degrees. Yes 10 × 360 = 3,600 which means you now have 3,600 Parts but, this doesn't change the number of degrees in the circle.

A good example of this is if we look at the astronomy of Jasher and the Joshua and the number of hours in a day. According to Jasher the long day of Joshua lasted for 36 Moments whereas the book of Joshua simply records it as 1 Day. In the book of Nehemiah we see that the day was divided into 4 Quarters, and in the New Testament Jesus tells us that 1 Day = 12 Hours:

1 Day = 36 Moments
1 Day = 12 Hours
1 Day = 4 Quarters

1 Hour = 60 Minutes
1 Hour = 3,600 Seconds

We see with these numbers that they don't change the overall amount of time in a day or hour no matter how much or little you divide them up. In a similar fashion the number of seconds in an hour do not change the number of minutes in an hour:

36 Moments ÷ 4 Quarters = 9 Moments
12 Hours ÷ 4 Quarters = 3 Hours
4 Quarters ÷ 4 Quarters = 1 Quarter

36 Moments ÷ 12 Hours = 3 Moments/Hour
60 Minutes ÷ 3 Moments = 20 Minutes
1 Moment = 20 Minutes
12 Hours × 60 Minutes = 720 Minutes
36 Moments × 20 Minutes = 720 Minutes

Believe me brother daq I truly want to be onboard with you but, the math simply isn't allowing me to...but I'm trying to see it from your perspective.

A degree is a unit of measurement. 360 degrees means the circle is divided into 360 equal portions. Using 1/10th of a degree means that your dividing a circle into 3600 equal portions.

 

[Humble Penny]

Ok I have a few questions about your video. Where’s Europe? Where’s Asia? Where’s Australia? Where’s Africa? Why don’t we see any of these continents? You do realize that the Earth rotates one revolution every 24 hours right? So that’s 6 hours just to see 1/4 of a rotation. Your video footage is 15 minutes and doesn’t stay still. So if the footage was still for 15 minutes you would see 1/96th of a rotation but because it keeps moving your never going to notice that small of a rotation.To put that into perspective it would be like watching a clock for 15 minutes and noticing the minute hand moving from 12:00 halfway to 12:01. You’ll never be able to notice that small of a movement on that wobbly camera on that rocket.

That’s a two way street brother. There are plenty of videos of ships sailing over the horizon disappearing from bottom to top. There are plenty of photos taken from high elevations looking out towards the ocean that don’t show islands that are 60 miles away. The evidence is out there, the problem is some people close their eyes and don’t want to see it.

Take a clock and glue a ball on the hour hand at the center of the clock and watch how fast the ball rotates then realize that the ball is spinning 24 times faster than the earth.

Brother those aren't my own personal videos...I thought I made it clear that these are uploaded by pro-globers? I'm not arguing from perspective, or formulas...I showed straight forward videos of balloons and a rocket over +109,000 Feet in the air...and neither show a moving earth or a curve. Everyone has their opinion on vanishing points but, the video evidence I provided from pro-globers fail to support a heliocentric model

 

[BNR32FAN]

To add onto what I've said if you divide 144...

144 ÷ 4 = 36
36 ÷ 6 = 6
6 ÷ 6 = 1

This is reminiscent of the 36 Moments, 60 Minutes, and 60 Seconds. And one cannot help but see that 60 is connected to the number of sunrises and sunsets every two months:

1. 30 Days (30 Days)
2. 30 Days (60 Days)
3. 30 Days (90 Days)
4. 30 Days (120 Days)
5. 30 Days (150 Days)
6. 30 Days (180 Days)
7. 30 Days (210 Days)
8. 30 Days (240 Days)
9. 30 Days (270 Days)
10. 30 Days (300 Days)
11. 30 Days (330 Days)
12. 30 Days (360 Days)

From a theological perspective this would truly reflect the oneness and unity of God, Wisdom, The Word, and the Holy Spirit: 4 Eternal Beings! And it is through their unity that the world was created, and we read of this clearly in the creation week when God on the sixth day spoke with them saying:

"Let Us make man in Our Image and Likeness.[...]".​

And when Adam wedded Eve Moses tells us:

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife. And the two of them shall become one (echad) flesh"​

So then the marriage between man and woman is to reflect the unity between God, Wisdom, the Word, and the Holy Spirit!

1 + 1 = 2
2 × 2 = 4
4 ÷ 4 = 1
4 ÷ 2 = 2
4 ÷ 1 = 4

When you add up the sum, product, and quotients of each equation it amounts to thirteen and what is special about this number?

1 Year = 4 Quarters
1 Year = 52 Weeks
1 Quarter = 13 Weeks

YHWH
10 = י
5 = ה
ו = 6
5 = ה
26

When you stack the Hebrew letters in a vertical line they make the image of a man and we see that half a year is 26 Weeks and a full year is 52 Weeks meaning that God makes up the beginning and end of the year. When we look at the name of our Savior in Hebrew and Greek we have something interesting:

Hebrew
YeHVSHuA
10 = י
5 = ה
6 = ו
300 = ש
70 = ע
391

YeSHUA
10 = י
300 = ש
6 = ו
70 = ע
386

386 + 391 = 777

Greek
Ι = 10
Ε = 8
Σ = 200
Ο = 70
Υ = 400
Σ = 200

888

Now when we look at the number of Abraham's servants who helped him rescue his nephew lot we see interesting things in Hebrew and Greek...

300 = ש
10 = י
8 = ח

In the first two letters we have the name of Yeshua meaning "Yahweh saves", and in the final letter Chet it is connected to the Hebrew ChaYiM meaning "life": put together means "Yahweh saves life"!!! And how would Yahweh save our lives?

Τ = 300
Ι = 10
Η = 8

Now the Theta represents the Cross while the Iota and Eta represent the first two letters Iesous in Greek, meaning that Yahweh would save the life of mankind through the death of His Son Jesus Christ on the Cross!!!

Wisdom is another deity of the godhead? Where are you getting that from?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Brother those aren't my own personal videos...I thought I made it clear that these are uploaded by pro-globers? I'm not arguing from perspective, or formulas...I showed straight forward videos of balloons and a rocket over +109,000 Feet in the air...and neither show a moving earth or a curve. Everyone has their opinion on vanishing points but, the video evidence I provided from pro-globers fail to support a heliocentric model

Ok but in your post you did say that you couldn’t see any rotation of the earth on that video. I was explaining why.

 

[BNR32FAN]

With this said let's look at the claim in modern science that it seven days of the week are determined by the rotation of the moon around the earth, is this true according to God?

This claim falls on its face right from Day 1 of creation for the Sun, Moon and stars weren't present until Day 4. In addition to this we see Genesis 1:1-2:3 informs us clearly that 1 Week = 7 Days because God worked for six days and rested on the seventh day (cf. Exodus 20:8-11). And what's more the earth isn't said to be moving from the beginning of it's creation, and from what we can observe in nature the earth is at rest while the luminaries clearly revolve around the earth. And if this wasn't enough when Joshua was at war with the Amorites we read this:

"Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, 'O sun, stand still at Gibeon, And O moon in the valley of Aijalon. So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies.' Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. There was no day like that before it or after it, when the Lord listened to the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel."
Joshua 10:12‭-‬14 NASB1995 (emphasis added mine)

How does Jasher read?

"And when they were smiting, the day was declining toward evening, and Joshua said in the sight of all the people, 'Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon, and thou moon in the valley of Ajalon, until the nation shall have revenged itself upon its enemies.'
And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Joshua, and the sun stood still in the midst of the heavens, and it stood still six and thirty moments, and the moon also stood still and hastened not to go down a whole day.
And there was no day like that, before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened to the voice of a man, for the Lord fought for Israel."
Jasher 88:63-65 (emphasis added mine)

It is clear that the Sun moves around the earth along with the Moon and stars. Or will we argue against God's chosen men when they speak of the circuit of the sun and it's movement?

"When the sun came up God appointed a scorching east wind, and the sun beat down on Jonah’s head so that he became faint and begged with all his soul to die, saying, 'Death is better to me than life.'"
Jonah 4:8 NASB1995

"From the rising of the sun to its setting The name of the Lord is to be praised."
Psalms 113:3 NASB1995

"He made the moon for the seasons; The sun knows the place of its setting."
Psalms 104:19 NASB1995

"Their line has gone out through all the earth, And their utterances to the end of the world. In them He has placed a tent for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber; It rejoices as a strong man to run his course. Its rising is from one end of the heavens, And its circuit to the other end of them; And there is nothing hidden from its heat."
Psalms 19:4‭-‬6 NASB1995

"Also, the sun rises and the sun sets; And hastening to its place it rises there again."
Ecclesiastes 1:5 NASB1995

"The sun had risen over the earth when Lot came to Zoar."
Genesis 19:23 NASB1995

It's clear from Moses and the Prophets that the Sun moves around the earth.

The sun stopped relevant to their perspective. That’s what it means. What actually happened was the earth stopped spinning which would make the sun stop moving from their perspective. You do know that when it’s night time in America it’s day time in the Philippines right? That can’t happen on a flat earth.

 

[daq]

Degrees is just a unit of measurement. A person could say a circle has 4 degrees or 100 degrees it’s just a unit of measurement. In a 4 degree circle 1 degree would be 1/4th of a circle. In a 100 degree circle 25 degrees would be 1/4th of a circle. One could say that a circle has 12 degrees so 3 degrees would be at 3 o clock on a clock.

Exactly! : )