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Does man have a freewill ?

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Hey Brightflame.
The thread has gone way off topic.
If you want to discuss this, it's possible to start a new thread.
 
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Talking about Jesus' baptism here.
What repentance did Jesus' baptism symbolize?
Please don't just assert, as you are doing. Provide scripture(s) please.
Trying to decide if I really want to do this. . .

While I'm deciding, I will proceed:

Water cleanses. . .repenance cleanses from sin. . .baptism symbolize the cleansing of sin by repentance.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
Perhaps you can be more specific about what you are saying.
What scripture, or law does Jesus' being baptized fulfill?
It was not in fulfillment of the Law.
What repentance did Jesus' baptism symbolize?
Jesus "fulfilled all righteousness" in his baptism (Mt 3:15)

Baptism in itself symbolizes repentance, cleansing.

Whereas, Jesus' baptism symbolized that he was consecrated to God and officially approved by him, that all Gods righteous requirements for the Messiah were met in him, he was clean, as seen in the descent of the Holy Spirit (Mt 3:16) and the words of the Father (Mt 3:17). . .also a demonstration of the Trinity.
 
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Glorying in the Cross not freewill of man !

Gal 6:14

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by [The Cross] whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

Christ's death, His crucifixion for those He died for produced results unto them, for by its Power it establishes them in a Right Spiritual Relationship with God, it delivers them from this present evil world according to the Will of God Gal 1:3-5

3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

You see the purpose of His death was to deliver from this present evil world, and that my friends is why Paul said that He glories in the Cross, because by it he has been crucified to the world and the world to him, he was delivered from it , not by freewill, but by His Cross !

That word deliver means:


I.
to pluck out, draw out, i.e. root out
II.
to choose out (for one's self), select, one person from many

III.
to rescue, deliver

4 Who gave (yielded) Himself up [to atone] for our sins [and to save and sanctify us], in order to rescue and deliver us from this present wicked age and world order, in accordance with the will and purpose and plan of our God and Father—AMP

Yes being delivered from this present evil world is the same as Paul saying in Gal 6:14

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

They are or will be delivered from a false religious world system, a friendship with the world James 4:4

4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

1 Jn 2:15

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
 
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Glorying in the Cross not freewill of man ! 2

See the word world many times in the NT scriptures means false religion or the religious ways of the world, like here Col 2:8,20

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

That's what Paul means by being crucified to the world by the Cross Gal 6:14

Then we have statements by Christ Himself saying to His disciples Jn 15:18-20

18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

The world in this passage is not the irreligious world of pimps, prostitutes, drug attacks, fornicators, thieves and drunkards and so on, but the world here is satanic inspired religion, like as in this case the very religious Pharisees of apostate Judaism !

The world here again are those in the synagogues Jn 16:1-2

These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.

2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

This is the hate from the world that Christ mostly encountered, and what His disciples would encounter, and Jesus calls this the world !

Lets recall saul, later Paul and recall the hate he had against True Christianity Acts 9:1-2


And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

Then he was of the World, but not in a irreligious way, for remember he stated Phil 3:4-6


and then Gal 1:13-14

13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

See, he was not a fornicator, a drunkard and robber, but a exceedingly zealous religious man, probably with the most upright character and morals the flesh can mustard up ! Yet all that was nothing but being part of the world against Christ, and that's mainly the world that Paul is speaking of in Gal 6:14, that not his freewill decision to accept Christ delivered him from it, but the Cross of Christ did, and not only Paul, but it [THE CROSS] delivers all for whom He died from the World, and is every True Christians Boast, and not their so called freewill ! Either the Cross is ones boast or ones freewill, sorry but it cannot be both !
 
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