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This is a VERY crazy and stupid question but… does Hell exist yet?
Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Does Hell not exist until the end of the world? These verses seem to imply that people do not go to Hell until the time in Revelation.

Even CRAZIER question:
Could ghosts be damned souls that will one day go to Hell?
 

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This is a VERY crazy and stupid question but… does Hell exist yet?
Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Does Hell not exist until the end of the world? These verses seem to imply that people do not go to Hell until the time in Revelation.

Even CRAZIER question:
Could ghosts be damned souls that will one day go to Hell?

1) There is being damned and then there is being in the Lake of Fire, body and soul. Currently no one is in the Lake of Fire, body and soul, for the General Resurrection has not happened yet. It is possible that some are currently damned, and this state is called "Hell" also. Being cast into the Lake does not happen until the end of the world. Being damned happens at the Particular Judgment when one dies, they will suffer from then on.

2) It is possible that some ghosts are this, I have heard that opinion a lot. It seems that they, the damned, might operate like demons at times. I am not sure and would have to look into it and accounts of this further.
 
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This is a VERY crazy and stupid question but… does Hell exist yet?

Burning bottomless lake of fire?
I'm sure that's just a myth.


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This is a VERY crazy and stupid question but… does Hell exist yet?
Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Does Hell not exist until the end of the world? These verses seem to imply that people do not go to Hell until the time in Revelation.

Even CRAZIER question:
Could ghosts be damned souls that will one day go to Hell?
As a First Point we need to examine the difference between the Lake of Fire and Hell, there is some confusion amongst Christians these days who mistakenly believe that they are one and the same place. This matter can quickly be cleared up by looking at the Greek definition of Hell and a couple verses from the bible.
The First use of Hell we will look at is the one that causes the most confusion and that word is Gehenna(strongs 1067) this word has possibly three different meanings(depending on which version of the Strong's you are using) and they are:
” Gehenna, and originally the name of a valley or cavity near Jerusalem, a place underneath the earth, a place of punishment for evil. Of Hebrew origin (gay' and Hinnom); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; ge-henna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment -- hell. “

So looking at the definition of the word we find that it can mean: A place underneath the earth, a place that was once outside of Jerusalem, or the final place of torment. In the NT we only ever see it used as the Last definition which is the Final place of torment or in other words the Lake of fire.

The second use of Hell we see in Scripture(NT) is Hades(Strongs 86) which refers to the Grave/Abode in Hell the definition is:
“grave, hell. From a (as negative particle) and eido; properly, unseen, i.e. "Hades" or the place (state) of departed souls -- grave, hell.”

When hades is used in each instance we find that it is never a place of torment but rather the Abode of those who have died in the grave/the lower parts of the earth(Luke 16:23; Acts 2:27)

Now the easiest way to show the division between the final place of Torment and Hell is to quote Scripture(Revelation 20:14), death and hell are both cast INTO the lake of Fire showing clearly that they are two separate places and not one and the same place. Here are some other Greek and Hebrews words used in the Bible whose definitions and usage shows that Hell is the Grave/the Abode of Departed Souls and Not the final place of Torment: Sheol 7585, Tartaro 5020, Paradeisos 3857, Shachath 7845 .


The next question we will answer is where is Hell located and where is the Lake of fire. Hell is said to be the grave or pit into which those who are dead go(Acts 2:27; Psalm 16:10) and exists for an abode of the Dead until judgment when they will be given up(Daniel 12:1-2). Looking at the Lake of fire we are never told it’s exact location, what we are told is that it was prepared or set up for the Angels and Lucifer(Matt 25:41) that it exists while this heavens and earth still stand(Revelation 19:20) and that it will exist after the Lord’s return with fire(Revelation 20:9-10) . Outside of that it does not state when exactly it was made or where exactly it is in relation to earth except that it can be viewed from the New heavens and New Earth(Isaiah 66:22-24)


2. Ghosts, as in human souls or spirits of the dead that walk the land of the living interacting with people, do not exist. The reason for this is that all of those who are dead are currently sleeping in the grave until either the first or second resurrection.

When a man dies the first death he rests in the grave( Matt 9:18-24, Mark 5:35-41, Luke 8:49-54; John 5:25-29; John 6:39-40; John 11:11-14,23-26; Acts 2:24-31; Acts 7:60; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Peter 3:18-19; Revelation 6:9-11; Revelation 14:13; 1 Kings 2:10; 1 Kings 11:43; 1 Kings 14:20; Job 7:21; Job 14:10-12, 21-22; Psalms 13:3; Psalm 16:10; Isaiah 26:19-21; Daniel 12:2) and his thoughts cease, and he has no more part in anything done under the sun. (Psalm 146:4, Ecclesiastes 9:5-6,10, Psalms 6:5). Everyone who has died, both the righteous and the unrighteous, sleep in Sheol/Hades/hell/the grave until Christ’s return, Paul, John, and Peter all tell us that those who have died in Christ have not yet gone to heaven yet but still rest/sleep(Acts 2:29; 1 Cor 11:30; 1 Cor 15:6,18,23,29; 1 Thess 4:13; Revelation 6:9-11; Revelation 14:13) we are told that only at Christ’s return will the dead in Christ be raised(Isaiah 26:19-21; Daniel 12:1-2; Matt 25:31-32; Luke 22:26-28; Acts 24:15; Romans 2:16; 1 Cor 15:51-52; 2 Cor 5:1-11; Philippians 3:8-11; 2 Timothy 4:1;1 Thess 4:16; Revelation 2:11; Revelation 20:4-6) being judged by their works(Matt 12:36-37; Romans 14:12; Revelation 14:13).

We are told that the wicked will receive the rewards for their deeds in the second resurrection(Daniel 12:2; Revelation 20:9,11-15) where the dead small and great will stand before the Lord(Romans 14:10; 2 Timothy 4:1; Revelation 20:12) giving account of themselves(Matt 12:36-37; Romans 14:12; 1 Peter 4:5) and being judged out of the books that are opened(Daniel 12:1; Revelation 20:12-13,15) everyone not found in the book of life will be cast into the Lake of Fire to suffer the second death(Ezekiel 18:20; Romans 6:23; James 1:15; Revelation 20:12-15; Revelation 21:8).

So going off of scripture "Ghosts" cannot be dead humans because all who are dead are sleeping in the grave. These Ghosts are nothing more than demons playing tricks on people or possessing them. Matthew 12:43-45
 
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This is a VERY crazy and stupid question but… does Hell exist yet?
Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

As Stephen has mentioned above, Hell is the grave. Back in Isaiah 28:14-18, God said the men who ruled the people in Jerusalem had "made a covenant with Death and with Hell", that when the overflowing scourge would pass through, Death and Hell (the grave) would have no effect on them. God then decreed that their covenant with Death and Hell (the grave) would not stand, but that when the overflowing scourge passed through Jerusalem, those rulers in Jerusalem would be trodden down. Death and Hell (the grave) would come upon many of those who were trodden down under the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem.

This was not the only time Death and Hell came to Jerusalem. As stated in Revelation 20:14-15, they would come again to Jerusalem for the city's "second death", when Death and Hell (the grave) would again be cast into the Lake of Fire that Jerusalem became as it was being torn down and burned up for a second time, almost exactly as that city had died once before under the Babylonians.

We are given an indication of where the Lake of Fire is located. It was in Jerusalem. As the prophet Isaiah said in Isaiah 31:9, he testified of the Lord that His "fire is in Zion, and His furnace in Jerusalem." This "furnace of fire" is where there would be weeping and gnashing of teeth of the living inhabitants of the city; grieving as the city was being destroyed and themselves along with it (Matthew 13:42).
 
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Vesper Jaye stated on OP :

"This is a VERY crazy and stupid question but… does Hell exist yet?
Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Does Hell not exist until the end of the world? These verses seem to imply that people do not go to Hell until the time in Revelation.

Even CRAZIER question:
Could ghosts be damned souls that will one day go to Hell? "

My Reply :

Your question is neither crazy or stupid IMHO. Hell does indeed exist, but the true nature of it is not what is being taught in the vast majority of "churches."

Here's a video presenting a perspective which I believe has the most scriptural evidence on it's side. This is not to say that the opposing viewpoints don't have any evidence supporting their case, it's simply to say this viewpoint appears to have the most weight behind it.

Lecture - Edward Fudge - The Fire That Consumes: A Biblical and Historical Study of Hell

 
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This is a VERY crazy and stupid question but… does Hell exist yet?
Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Does Hell not exist until the end of the world? These verses seem to imply that people do not go to Hell until the time in Revelation.

Even CRAZIER question:
Could ghosts be damned souls that will one day go to Hell?

I believe hell to be a waiting place as is heaven. Hell is where the unregenerate souls who have died know every sin they ever committed and are tormented by all of them. Because they didn't ask Jesus to carry their sins, they must carry their own sins.

Some people try and say the body will be in hell with the soul after they die and that the body will be in torment. But the body can't be in hell yet, it's in the ground and is going to return to dust. The body returning to dust was part of the curse.
Genesis 3:19
By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.”
If the body has turned to dust it can't be feeling torment.

The soul won't have a body until after the resurrection and that hasn't happened yet, not until after the second coming of Christ.

The second death is for those unbelievers. The body has been resurrected so now they have again both body and soul together.
Matthew 10:28, Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars - their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death (Revelation 21:8).
The second death is the only thing that will kill the resurrected body and the soul and both will be destroyed.


After that all the old things will then pass away, including hell and death and even heaven as it is now.
1 Corinthians 15
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

God then remakes the world and heavens for the believes.

Revelation 21


21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

I don't believe in ghosts. There are angels and there are demons. I do believe that the soul can make some kind of contact but not as some kind of apparition wondering about hunting a place. My mother woke up and heard music in her room early in the morning hours when he brother died and was later told this was the time he died.

I think most ghost sightings are actually demons. Paul tells us, “And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness.
I think we need to be careful to not the enemy deceive us with things we wish could be true. I also believe this is why God forbids any kind of activity to try and contact the dead.
 
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This is a VERY crazy and stupid question but… does Hell exist yet?
Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Does Hell not exist until the end of the world? These verses seem to imply that people do not go to Hell until the time in Revelation.

Even CRAZIER question:
Could ghosts be damned souls that will one day go to Hell?
Hell is the everlasting presence of God for those who did not prepare themselves for the age to come when God's omnipresence kicks up a notch and becomes impossible to ignore.

There is also an extra layer of hell created by Christian curses and general forgiveness that affects people when they die.

So when people say, someone will die and go to hell, it's the fabricated hell from curses and unforgiveness.

The post judgment day hell is indeed to come.
 
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Vesper Jaye stated on OP :

"This is a VERY crazy and stupid question but… does Hell exist yet?
Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Does Hell not exist until the end of the world? These verses seem to imply that people do not go to Hell until the time in Revelation.

Even CRAZIER question:
Could ghosts be damned souls that will one day go to Hell? "

My Reply :

Your question is neither crazy or stupid IMHO. Hell does indeed exist, but the true nature of it is not what is being taught in the vast majority of "churches."

Here's a video presenting a perspective which I believe has the most scriptural evidence on it's side. This is not to say that the opposing viewpoints don't have any evidence supporting their case, it's simply to say this viewpoint appears to have the most weight behind it.

Lecture - Edward Fudge - The Fire That Consumes: A Biblical and Historical Study of Hell

Good presentation, I agree with the conclusions
 
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This is a VERY crazy and stupid question but… does Hell exist yet?
Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Does Hell not exist until the end of the world? These verses seem to imply that people do not go to Hell until the time in Revelation.
Even CRAZIER question:
Could ghosts be damned souls that will one day go to Hell?

If we define Hell as "existing without God," then we are all in a version of Hell right now.
After death, those who do not Trust God (are saved) will be in the same state as now, but no TV, Cell phones, or beer to have as a distraction. Just quiet and alone for eternity, as they have chosen. They just sit and stew.
 
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The word hell can be traced back only so far as the anglo-saxon word
"helle" or "helan" and it's definition is that of a "hidden place"

There are four words for hell and the translators wrongly used hell each and every occasion that the words - Hades, Gehenna, Sheol, and Tartarus, were used in the bible.

Gehenna, was the garbage dump just outside of Jerusalem, where refuse was
burned continually.

Hades, is a greek word for hidden place

Sheol, is a Hebrew word used for the grave

Tartarus, was used by Homer, when describing the subterranean
prisons where the "gods" were imprisoned.

use a bible concordance to find in verses what originally word used,
one definition.
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So, by combining all these things together, the translators painted a picture of a subterranean place where fires burned and was unseen by those living upon the
surface of the earth.


There will be a lake of fire, that is a fact, but hell is not the lake of fire. The lake of fire does not yet exist...it will at Judgment day, but that is only after the millennial period.

When hell is thrown in to the lake of fire.
 
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The word hell can be traced back only so far as the anglo-saxon word
"helle" or "helan" and it's definition is that of a "hidden place"

That's what I was saying. Dark and quiet for eternity.
Lots of time to think and remember everything with no memory fading.
Every...single...thing.

This results in the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
 
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This is a VERY crazy and stupid question but… does Hell exist yet?
Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Does Hell not exist until the end of the world? These verses seem to imply that people do not go to Hell until the time in Revelation.

Even CRAZIER question:
Could ghosts be damned souls that will one day go to Hell?
Yes, ghosts could be damned souls that will one day go to Hell. However, some Catholics wonder if they might possibly be in Purgatory and will therefore one day end up in Heaven. I personally think that they are in a form of Limbo, a state between this world and the next. How long they will stay there or where they will eventually end up is known only to God.

Does Hell exist? Is it for most people on Earth, including many/most Christians or is it reserved for the worst of the worst? Is Hell forever or might damned souls eventually be redeemed? These are also questions whose answers are known only to God.
 
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If we define Hell as "existing without God," then we are all in a version of Hell right now.
After death, those who do not Trust God (are saved) will be in the same state as now, but no TV, Cell phones, or beer to have as a distraction. Just quiet and alone for eternity, as they have chosen. They just sit and stew.
I agree we are in a type of hell right now but that is consistent with God's plan. We are to be examples to the unsaved of how to deal with this everyday hell. By the way how is the coffee?
 
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This is a VERY crazy and stupid question but… does Hell exist yet?
Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Does Hell not exist until the end of the world? These verses seem to imply that people do not go to Hell until the time in Revelation.

Even CRAZIER question:
Could ghosts be damned souls that will one day go to Hell?
There's Hell (Hades) and then there's Hell (the Lake of Fire).

Think of Hades like jail before a trial. The Lake of Fire would be like maximum security federal prison after the trial. Before the judgment at the Great White Throne, there are evil, unbelieving souls in Hades. After the judgment, they get the Lake of Fire.
 
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This is a VERY crazy and stupid question but… does Hell exist yet?
I'm not keen on using the word "hell", but personally I must acknowledge God's just character and accept that eternal punishment is real.

Although some aspects of God’s character may be puzzling and hard to accept, we must never question His sovereignty. It is a serious mistake to overemphasise His love and undeserving favour (grace) while downplaying His holy wrath and sovereign right to execute terrible justice:

“It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God” (Hebrews 10:31). He will do as He pleases in Heaven and on earth: “‘Your kingdom come. Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven” (Matthew 6:10).
 
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For what it is worth - back in the seventies I was absorbed in inner city evangelism among the at risk.

I learned to be honest with God so I confessed a lack of concern for the lost.

That night I had a dream - being taken to the very rim of the pit by an angel - the sight was unforgettable - the boiling repugnance was overwhelming - I said to the angel who was holding my hand "do I have to go any closer ???"

The job was done and the dream ended.

No more indifference for the lost.

I shared that at a church service for seekers a few weeks later - you could have heard a pin drop...
 
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This is a VERY crazy and stupid question but… does Hell exist yet?
Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Does Hell not exist until the end of the world? These verses seem to imply that people do not go to Hell until the time in Revelation.

Even CRAZIER question:
Could ghosts be damned souls that will one day go to Hell?
Death (Sheol, place where people have slept when they were dead up to then at the very final resurrection/judgement) and Hades (like Hell/Gehenna where people are in conscious torment and held temporarily (maybe) up until the very final resurrection/judgment) were thrown into the Lake of Fire (Gehenna, or the only true place of true eternal conscious torment, that is final) at the very, very end of all, or at the very final resurrection/judgement, and before the very very beginning of a whole new Creation or Creation era or time or age.

God Bless!
 
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I agree we are in a type of hell right now but that is consistent with God's plan. We are to be examples to the unsaved of how to deal with this everyday hell. By the way how is the coffee?
I make two thermoses fresh every morning for my day of driving. Aldi's coffee is a awesome value.
 
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Yes, ghosts could be damned souls that will one day go to Hell. However, some Catholics wonder if they might possibly be in Purgatory and will therefore one day end up in Heaven. I personally think that they are in a form of Limbo, a state between this world and the next. How long they will stay there or where they will eventually end up is known only to God.

Does Hell exist? Is it for most people on Earth, including many/most Christians or is it reserved for the worst of the worst? Is Hell forever or might damned souls eventually be redeemed? These are also questions whose answers are known only to God.

Hell is eternal - until it is also dissolved in the Lake of Fire, the second death.
You know how when you put your hand in a hot frying pan and hold it there, that it seems like forever?
Hell is like that. It is timeless.
 
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