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Does hell exist?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by mgairs, Dec 31, 2002.

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  1. mgairs

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    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is something i was emailed by one of my friends:</SPAN>

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    <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">There is a group of theologians that have come up with a very convincing theory that hell doesn't exist. In the bible it says in that, "(2)You gave the Son power over all people so that the Son can give eternal life to all those you gave him.(3)And this is eternal life: that people know you, the only true God, and that they know Jesus Christ, the One you sent."(John 17:2-3) but also in the bible hell is mention as a punishment, “Then they will go away to eternal punishment. But the righteous to eternal life."("They" being the sinners)(Matthew 25:46.) Verses in the bible like these have led to conflict about the existence of hell, on one hand the bible talks about the "you who are cursed, depart into the eternal fire created for the devil and his angels." But as the verses quoted above from john say the only way to eternal life is through Jesus but to have eternal punishment you must be alive so this has led some people to believe that hell is just nothingness (me included.) To add to this point God can not come into the presence of evil so how would he have created hell? </SPAN>

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  2. Live4Jesus

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    I think there are dimensions of Hell.

    Hell was created by Satan wasn't it? Like maybe it was a beautiful place once but since it's the devil's abode it becomes a ruthless sadistic tryanny, hell as we call it. Don't actually know myself but surely there can be hell on earth as well.

    There is the lake of fire... that is mentioned pretty literally. But hell itself is mentioned in a few diverse ways... separation/death, weeping and gnashing of teeth... the pit...

    Revelations mentions a place that is 'outside' the kingdom of God it doesn't call it hell but it may be hell to spend eternity there...
     
  3. mgairs

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    or is hell just nothingness? (is that a word?) and/or complete seperation from God?
     
  4. Zipporah

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    "Hell" is the grave. It is death.
     
  5. Julie

    Julie ONLY JESUS CHRIST SAVES

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    Hell is never the grave, according to Gods word.
     
  6. HesMyAll

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    Myself, I don't believe what a bunch of theologians have dreamed up.&nbsp; If it doesn't say it in the Bible then it's just a lot of pig swallow.

    There is a story in the Bible about the rich man and Lazarus.&nbsp; They both died.&nbsp; Lazarus went to heaven but as to the rich man, the Bible says that in hell he lifted up his eyes.&nbsp; He also wanted Lazarus to come and drop water on his tongue because he was tormented in the flames.

    Also, the Bible says that hell was created for satan and his angels, not by satan.

    Hell is a very real place and man has been trying to convince the world for many years that there is no flame in hell or that hell does not exist.&nbsp; Many people will fall for this lie and be eternally doomed because they chose to believe what man says instead of what God's word says.:(
     
  7. Zipporah

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    REV 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    REV 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (KJV)

    Question for you:
    If hell is the lake of fire, then why does this passage describe hell as being cast into the lake of fire?
     
  8. Jephunneh

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    Good post.
    I agree with you!





    Hell is not THE lake of fire. But those in Hell will end up there.
     
  9. drmmjr

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    Scripturally speaking, hell is the grave. Hell is an English word derived from the Anglo-Saxon word “helan”, which means “to cover” or “to hide out of sight”.

    The Old Testament was originally written in the Hebrew language; the New Testament was originally written in the Greek language. In order for the Bible to be read in English, therefore, it was necessary for Bible scholars to translate the Bible from the Hebrew and Greek languages into English.

    The English word ‘hell’ was used by these translators to translate Hebrew and Greek words that were originally used by Bible writers to refer to the grave.

    The Hebrew word for grave is ‘sheol’. The Greek word for grave is ‘hades’. Old Testament writers, like Moses, Job, David, Solomon, and Isaiah, recorded the fact that dead men are buried in ‘sheol’. New Testament writers, like Matthew, Luke, Paul, and John, taught that the dead are buried in ‘hades’.

    Looking at Acts2:27-31 and Psalm 16:10, you can see that ‘sheol’ and ‘hades’ have the same meaning – the grave. Acts 2:27 is a direct quote of Psalm 16:10. In Psalms the word ‘hell’ is translated from the Hebrew word ‘sheol’, and in Acts the word ‘hell’ is translated from the Greek wore ‘hades’. This helps to prove that the two words mean the same thing.

    So, yes Hell is the grave according to God's word.
     
  10. Jephunneh

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    drmmjr, Does the soul stay with the body until the resurrection?
     
  11. HesMyAll

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    I'm sorry you misunderstood.&nbsp; Hell is not the lake of fire but the account that Jesus gives of the rich man and Lazarus lets us know that there is fire in hell.

    Also, funny how many people claim that death and hell are the same thing but as you have noted...Rev 20:14 and death AND hell were cast into the lake of fire.&nbsp; This is the SECOND death.
     
  12. drmmjr

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    What is a soul? Leviticus 5:1,2,and 4 says, "If a soul sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether he hath seen or known of it; if he do not utter it, then he shall bear his iniquity. Or if a soul touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcass of an unclean beast, or a carcass of unclean cattle ... he also shall be unclean ... Or if a soul swear, pronouncing with his lips to do evil, or to do good ... then he shall be guilty." In this passage the question, "Can a soul sin?" is answered, for we read, "If a soul sin ... then he shall bear his iniquity." What is a soul? In this passage, the soul could hear, could be a witness, could see, could understand, could touch, could swear with his lips, and could sin. What does this describe? This describes a person.

    God made us of dust and breath, according to Genesis 2:7: - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    This combination was a soul. When man dies, the dust and breath separate again and man goes to the grave to await the resurrection of the great day. Jesus shall come. They shall hear His voice, and He shall give them life. There is no eternal life, no immortal soul, no immortal person, unless Christ gives him immortality. We certainly are not immortal by nature. Such is contrary to the gospel. The gospel teaches that we are sinners and doomed to die unless we accept Christ as our Saviour. The fact that Jesus Himself died shows that He had no immortal soul. The forgiveness of our sins is based on the fact that He died and was resurrected to eternal life, never to die again. If He did not die, we are yet in our sins. But since He did die, and has been resurrected by His heavenly Father, we can be justified before God and freed from the penalty for our sins, which is the lake of fire.
     
  13. franklin

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    PHYSICAL FIRE VERSUS SPIRITUAL FIRE

    Without realizing it, those who defend a literal fire in this judgment of God will have a very hard time showing that anyone can be "tormented day and night for ever and ever" in a literal fire. If the fire is literal, then the idea that anyone could be tormented for ever and ever is totally impossible! How so? We will see.

    For the rest of the story boys and girls, go to this link:

    http://bible-truths.com/lake1.html

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  14. HesMyAll

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    Hmmm, the rich man who died and went to hell seemed to take the fire quite literally.&nbsp;

    And who is man do determine what is "impossible"?&nbsp;

    I will believe the Bible and what the Bible says about all things.
     
  15. drmmjr

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  16. HesMyAll

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    I believe Jesus meant exactly what He said.&nbsp; He was saying that there is a place of everlasting torment.&nbsp; Too many people want to make hell out to just be a place of seperation from God.&nbsp; It is much more than that.&nbsp; In Revelations when it talks about hell and death being cast into the lake of fire I believe that is exactly what will happen.&nbsp; There will be a very real fire in hell for those who end up there or the Bible wouldn't teach it.
     
  17. franklin

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    That's because you are making the same mistake the majority of believers do and that is your interpreting not only this story (which is a parable) with the usual literal hermeneutic.&nbsp;

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    It&nbsp;isn't impossible to interpret scripture rightly divided.&nbsp; &nbsp;



    I have no problem with that just as long as it is interpreted properly.&nbsp; Not all of the bible is to be interpreted literally.

    Hesm, maybe you better go to the link I posted.&nbsp;
     
  18. HesMyAll

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    I checked the link you posted before posting my reply.
     
  19. franklin

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    Maybe you need to do more than just "check" it then, as in further serious study and that includes Gods word.
     
  20. OldShepherd

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    No hard time at all! Jesus said that with God ALL things are possible. What part of ALL do you not understand? If God can burn a bush without it being consumed I don't think He will have any problem with the rest of it. Who do you think I believe Franklin, God or your false, piece meal, proof text religion?

    Exodus 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
    3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

    Matt 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God ALL things are possible. Mark 10:27 Luke 18:27
     
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