Does God invoke FEAR in anyone anymore?

[Nadiine]

Yes. But contrary to common christian belief, I don't think it's like our bad works will burn up and our good works will stand. Rather, it's about our works versus God's works.

Paul talks about works that the Lord has prepared beforehand, that we may walk in them - in other words, they are gifts from God, not services for him.

Interestingly, many if not most of your posts are just that, "contrary to Christian belief"..?
Why exactly is that?

What I'm speaking of is directly eluded to in Mat. 6:1-6 & 1:16-18, Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
Same with those who give charity & try to look religious (fasting).

They aren't rewarded for good works with wrong/selfish motive.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

 

[RonnyRulz]

So giving someone a link to a dictionary and saying they don't know english isn't being rude to you?

I never said it wasn't rude. In fact, I said I'm not perfect, a sinner. Quite the opposite in fact. I don't really know how much more I could simply the fact the Bible says "God is Love". The person has to not understand english, because it's very obvious. I'm sure I was rude, but when you explain 1 + 1 = 2 to an adult, it's incredibly frustrating when they don't understand.

So saying how sad it is that we all know of God, but don't know Him, because we don't know Him the way you do, isn't arrogant to you?

If it was true, would it be arrogant of me?
I don't care if I sound arrogant or not, I'm not here to look good.
Do you think you don't look arrogant when you tell an atheist how you are righteous because of Jesus's blood and they aren't?
Do you think you don't look arrogant when you tell a christian they're wrong to believe having premarital sex is okay?
Sounding arrogant and speaking the truth are two different things. Consider that.

 

[RonnyRulz]

As for the rest of the crucifix against me, I honestly don't care enough to respond anymore.

Having my words immeditely hit the floor the moment they come out is not my cup of tea.

 

[Nadiine]

As for the rest of the crucifix against me, I honestly don't care enough to respond anymore.

Having my words immeditely hit the floor the moment they come out is not my cup of tea.

I don't blame you Ronny, having some people argue against your claims isn't any fun - I've been on the receiving end of it here on CF myself.

I do serious debate, but I don't do personal attacks - this isn't personal.

I DO ask tho, that if you're claiming Jesus LITERALLY shows up & manifests visually to you every single day, that you test who's spirit it is from 1 John 4:1. - Jesus isn't appearing to people, He said so in His own word.
He said he's coming for us as believers corporately, and all will know when they see him, not private guest appearances.

God didn't even manifest Himself to the prophets of ancient days that often; that alone should be a RED FLAG.

I say this in love & concern for you, becuz something isn't RIGHT with it according to the Bible I read.​

 

[intricatic]

Actually, it's "They would have to not understanding ancient Greek" - the gospels aren't written in Americanized modern English, after-all. But the context of each passage is what grants it intent and meaning - that is, the text surrounding it which clarifies the reason for the statement itself. 'God is love' can mean a lot of different things in different contexts. It could possibly mean that God is simply an emotion that one feels, subject to the ebb of emotional tidal currents in each person, or it could mean that God is exceeding in love, or it could also mean (given how today's generation uses the word 'love') that God is the act of physical intimacy. There are many, many more contextual positions that it can fill, but hopefully this establishes the point. What is God? If God were only an emotion, claiming to have a personal relationship with Him would be baffling, at the least, and I can't imagine how an emotion could create the entire universe. If God were the physical act of intimacy, then does this mean the person you're with is God, or that coming together creates God somehow?

This is the problem. It's not that people don't understand you because needless to say, I'm sure everyone here agrees with the passage from John 3, and the passage from 1 John 4, which also says to beware false prophets and false teachers for many antichrists have gone out into the world. It's that we don't know what you mean when you raise this point. Please elaborate, preferably with the context to demonstrate what you take this passage to mean, so we might understand. Simply pointing out what the words alone show up as in an English dictionary, or a simple Greek reference, doesn't help to elaborate on the implication that they make on the context of the overall passage, or the overall chapter, or the overall book, or the overall bible, or overall history. Etymology is a useful tool in helping to see what the words simply refer to across language barriers, but it's simply that - the words themselves need to be consistently applied to the surrounding context in order to make them say something other than simple statements that have no relevance to an overall understanding of the message given.

 

[savedandhappy1]

I never said it wasn't rude. In fact, I said I'm not perfect, a sinner. Quite the opposite in fact. I don't really know how much more I could simply the fact the Bible says "God is Love". The person has to not understand english, because it's very obvious. I'm sure I was rude, but when you explain 1 + 1 = 2 to an adult, it's incredibly frustrating when they don't understand.

OK, your sister in Christ, points out to you that somethings you are saying is rude and arrogant. Which is what the Bible says we are to do, but instead of you saying you are sorry to this person you blame them for your frustration and rudeness? WWJD?

If it was true, would it be arrogant of me?
I don't care if I sound arrogant or not, I'm not here to look good.
Do you think you don't look arrogant when you tell an atheist how you are righteous because of Jesus's blood and they aren't?
Do you think you don't look arrogant when you tell a christian they're wrong to believe having premarital sex is okay?
Sounding arrogant and speaking the truth are two different things. Consider that.

You aren't here to look good? Which means that you aren't here to show the Love of God that you keep saying is in you?

Never have told an atheist that I'm righteous and they aren't. Do you do that?

I gave scriptures of God's Living Word, to show them what God says. Not what I say. Do you not see the difference?

I do my best, and sometimes fail, to word my posts where they will not come across rude and arrogant. I believe the best way to confront a difference in my beliefs and someone elses is by scriptures, and I try and keep an open-mind. If they can show me scriptures which give me a different understanding then I have, PRAISE THE LORD!!!

That means that my understanding, wisdom and discernment are growing. Which means that I am growing in the Lord and haven't leaned to the worldly side or that I am standing still just drinking milk.
​

 

[RonnyRulz]

I don't blame you Ronny, having some people argue against your claims isn't any fun - I've been on the receiving end of it here on CF myself.
I do serious debate, but I don't do personal attacks - this isn't personal.

I love you Nadiine. Why? Because you love me.
People are throwing hate and condemnation at me, having their own self-righteous witch-hunt to condemn the "heathen" [me] and throwing out so many personal attacks.

Thank you so much for actually caring and loving me, instead of hating and condemning. I can see you truly do care and love, and even though we disagree all the time, I know your motives are good. That means a lot to me that you are showing love instead of hate. You speak the truth as you believe it, without personal attacks. Well done, I applaud you and thank you. It truly does mean a lot to me when in all this hate and condemnation, you show some love!

I DO ask tho, that if you're claiming Jesus LITERALLY shows up & manifests visually to you every single day,

Although God shows up every single day, He isn't always visible, and I'm not perfect so I don't always spend every day with Him (although I might because I always pray to Him, but I don't everyday get into His Presence, but I don't know if I'm suppose to in the way I view "getting into His Presence" because I might be supposed to be in His Presence without the usual music and silence. Although I'm sure I am suppose to, who knows!

Anyways, when God does show up, it's usually the Holy Spirit or sometimes Father. I've only seen Jesus manifest a few times in my walk. Also, when I speak of seeing God manifest, I do not mean in the lesser physical realm with physical eyes. I have no seen Jesus's physical body with my physical eyes. I have, however, seen Him and the other two parts of God using my spiritual senses. Don't get me wrong, He still manifests occassionally through the physical, but I've yet to see Him physically with my sight sense. Someday, but not yet. To truly see God manifest, you use your spiritual senses, and that's what I do. He comes to me everyday though, and that's a fact. Whether I receive Him or not determines on my free will of that day. God comes to all of His children everday. It's just a matter of us opening up our spiritual senses.

I don't use my physical senses as much as I do my spiritual when it comes to God. So when you ask "visibly manifest", to me, and to the superior realm of spirituality [not physical realm] I do see Him visibly and manifest. I see Him, whether it be Jesus like He was on Earth (but in Spirit) or the Holy Spirit, or Father, or whatever. I purposefully left out saying [spiritual] see and [spiritually] manifest, because the natural man (everyone, their flesh side) believes the physical realm of senses is superior to the spiritual. It is not. To see God in the physical, but not spiritual, is to not see God at all. The Pharisees for example, saw Jesus in the flesh, physically. Yet they were blind to Him spiritually. They did not use their spiritual eyes. "They have eyes but do not see." So I did not lie when I said Jesus visibly manifests Himself to me, because He does. Perhaps not everyday, but He tries everyday. For all of us.

Hope that clears some things up, because I know most people probably think I use my physical eyes to see Jesus Manifest. You can't do that. If you could use your physical eyes to see God, then the Pharisees could have seen Jesus. But they didn't. They had eyes, but could not see. They had physical eyes, bit could not spiritual see Jesus Manifest.

I have seen God Face to Face. Greater than the story of Moses. Greater are we, under the Blood, than any other. Greater now that Jesus has risen to the Father and we have the Holy Spirit. We have it better off than those who were physically with Jesus when Jesus was on earth. BETTER OFF!!!! We know Jesus better, we see Him more, we have more of Him!

Jesus said it is good that He goes to the Father, because if He didn't, the Comforter would not come. But we have it better off now, that Jesus ascended to the Father. Greater are we, under the blood, with the Spirit, to see Jesus Manifest than any others.

I did read what you said though, and I will take it into consideration Nadiine. I did solely because you showed love first, before you spoke. When I felt love, I was responsive to what you said, opening my ears and opening my mind. I apologize sincerely for any rudeness or harm I may have caused you Nadiine. It is just so frustrating when people see God as someone who is dead and impersonal. [Not you, I'm referring to other people. You were nice.]
I try to tell others how we can have such a deep and intimate relationship with God, for their benefit, not mine. Yet I get hunted down like a witch. I gain nothing from telling others about my intimate relationship with God. Instead, I get hurt, condemned, hated, and called "prideful" just because I tell how it is in my walk. Just because my walk is a good one doesn't make me "superior". I gain nothing from saying this. If I didn't care for the well-being of others, if I didn't want them to know that they too can know God incredibly intimately and personally, I'd say nothing. I have better things to do than to speak to get crucified. I don't like being crucified by people who I just want to help. I try to do something that I believe is nice [spreading the news of a personal and living God, not a impersonal, distant, dead God] and I get stoned for it. Not cool.

OK, your sister in Christ, points out to you that somethings you are saying is rude and arrogant. Which is what the Bible says we are to do, but instead of you saying you are sorry to this person you blame them for your frustration and rudeness?

I apologize to Nadiine if I was rude, she didn't deserve it. I do not apologize for anyone else though. I'm a sinner, a human being, and I have frustration and rudeness. I don't have to apologize if I don't want to. Why? Because I'm human and make mistakes like everyone. Of course I have to reap what I sow, and thus reap negatively if I don't apologize, but no more so than you or ANYONE else reaps for their pride and stubborness to not apologize for wrong. Most of the time we don't even know what we do is wrong. Like in your case with condemning me and making me feel so hated by you. Before you condemn me and hate me for being rude and frustrated, you should take a look at yourself.

I know my sin, and God is dealing with it. In fact, it's none of your business. God can convict me by Himself, He doesn't need your condemnation and hate against me to help. Stop trying to convict me, because you onlu condemn me. Why not forgive me and love me instead?

WWJD?

Jesus wouldn't do anything, because He would never be in a circumstance to where He'd have to apologize for being rude.


You could learn a lot from Nadiine. She clothed her words with Love and Care. You clothe your words with condemnation and hate.

I listened to her because she gave Love. I ignore everything you say because your words are clothed in condemnation and hate. My heart is unresponsive to hate and condemnation. It's human nature.

Whether or not you speak the truth doesn't matter. What matters is if the person you are speaking to receives the truth. If you clothe your words in condemnation and hate, they will not receive your words, even if truth. Nadiine speaks what she believes is truth, with Love. Because of that, I received her words with open ears and a open heart. You, on the other hand, I am deaf to, and I will not listen. Why should I listen to someone who gives me hate and condemns me? You could learn a lot from Nadiine's example. If you speak to me with hate, it is irrelevant if what you say is truth or not. You speak in love, and I will receive whatever you say and consider it.

The moment Nadiine said, "I don't blame you Ronny, having some people argue against your claims isn't any fun" I felt loved. I opened my ears to what she had to say, and considered it. I listned and opened my mind to her words. The Power of Love.
In this witch hunt to crucify me, I have felt nothing but hate and condemnation from everyone. Then Nadiine speaks Love instead of hate, and acceptance instead of condemnation. Although we disagree on a lot, she speaks out of Love and Care. She doesn't speak out of hate, attacking me personally.

As for the rest of you that hate me, I don't even consider what you have to say. It's not fun for me to be hated by people who call themselves Christians.
The moment you say stuff like, "You aren't here to look good?" you show that you do not accept me out of Love. When you say, "Which means that you aren't here to show the Love of God that you keep saying is in you?" and condemn me, pointing out my flaws, my faults, my sins, condemning me for my sins, attacking me personally, calling me not just a sinner, but a nutjob, a heretic, etc.
All you have done is attack me, hate me, and condemn me. You do nothing but point out my flaws and faults to condemn me. You hate, never love.

The moment I read, "If you can't read this post and not see how arrogant and prideful you are" or "You aren't God and you are His precious Son, Jesus, nor are you the Holy Ghost. I don't have to know you to know them, you put yourself way to high. " I immeditely shut you off, ignoring everything you say. Hate creates an unresponsive heart.
All you have done is pointed out my sin and condemned me, made wild accusations [personal attacks] against my character, and just shot out hate hate hate hate hate and condemnation.

I say all of this not to condemn you or judge you as being wrong to hate me. I say all of this with a heart that feels bad because I am receiving so much hate and condemnation. A heart that is crying, "Why are they hating me?" I don't mean this to tell you "You are doing a bad job and hating me, you aren't Christian!!!" but to tell you "What you say makes me feel horrible, because I don't like being hated and condemned, constantly hunting down like I'm a hideous sinful monster with so many flaws and faults."
I know I'm not an easy person to deal with, I'm stubborn and insensitive, and I'm sure I've thrown my fair share of hate, but the only reason I would throw out hate is because I feel hated first.

Learn from Nadiine's example. You could learn a lot from her. So could I.
Props go to Nadiine! Out of all this witch-hunting and personal attacks, she's the only one to show me Love. All others have showed me nothing but hate and condemnation.

 

[jad123]

I love you Nadiine. Why? Because you love me.
People are throwing hate and condemnation at me, having their own self-righteous witch-hunt to condemn the "heathen" [me] and throwing out so many personal attacks.

Thank you so much for actually caring and loving me, instead of hating and condemning. I can see you truly do care and love, and even though we disagree all the time, I know your motives are good. That means a lot to me that you are showing love instead of hate. You speak the truth as you believe it, without personal attacks. Well done, I applaud you and thank you. It truly does mean a lot to me when in all this hate and condemnation, you show some love!



Although God shows up every single day, He isn't always visible, and I'm not perfect so I don't always spend every day with Him (although I might because I always pray to Him, but I don't everyday get into His Presence, but I don't know if I'm suppose to in the way I view "getting into His Presence" because I might be supposed to be in His Presence without the usual music and silence. Although I'm sure I am suppose to, who knows!

Anyways, when God does show up, it's usually the Holy Spirit or sometimes Father. I've only seen Jesus manifest a few times in my walk. Also, when I speak of seeing God manifest, I do not mean in the lesser physical realm with physical eyes. I have no seen Jesus's physical body with my physical eyes. I have, however, seen Him and the other two parts of God using my spiritual senses. Don't get me wrong, He still manifests occassionally through the physical, but I've yet to see Him physically with my sight sense. Someday, but not yet. To truly see God manifest, you use your spiritual senses, and that's what I do. He comes to me everyday though, and that's a fact. Whether I receive Him or not determines on my free will of that day. God comes to all of His children everday. It's just a matter of us opening up our spiritual senses.

I don't use my physical senses as much as I do my spiritual when it comes to God. So when you ask "visibly manifest", to me, and to the superior realm of spirituality [not physical realm] I do see Him visibly and manifest. I see Him, whether it be Jesus like He was on Earth (but in Spirit) or the Holy Spirit, or Father, or whatever. I purposefully left out saying [spiritual] see and [spiritually] manifest, because the natural man (everyone, their flesh side) believes the physical realm of senses is superior to the spiritual. It is not. To see God in the physical, but not spiritual, is to not see God at all. The Pharisees for example, saw Jesus in the flesh, physically. Yet they were blind to Him spiritually. They did not use their spiritual eyes. "They have eyes but do not see." So I did not lie when I said Jesus visibly manifests Himself to me, because He does. Perhaps not everyday, but He tries everyday. For all of us.

Hope that clears some things up, because I know most people probably think I use my physical eyes to see Jesus Manifest. You can't do that. If you could use your physical eyes to see God, then the Pharisees could have seen Jesus. But they didn't. They had eyes, but could not see. They had physical eyes, bit could not spiritual see Jesus Manifest.

I have seen God Face to Face. Greater than the story of Moses. Greater are we, under the Blood, than any other. Greater now that Jesus has risen to the Father and we have the Holy Spirit. We have it better off than those who were physically with Jesus when Jesus was on earth. BETTER OFF!!!! We know Jesus better, we see Him more, we have more of Him!

Jesus said it is good that He goes to the Father, because if He didn't, the Comforter would not come. But we have it better off now, that Jesus ascended to the Father. Greater are we, under the blood, with the Spirit, to see Jesus Manifest than any others.

I did read what you said though, and I will take it into consideration Nadiine. I did solely because you showed love first, before you spoke. When I felt love, I was responsive to what you said, opening my ears and opening my mind.




I apologize to Nadiine if I was rude, she didn't deserve it. I do not apologize for anyone else though. I'm a sinner, a human being, and I have frustration and rudeness. I don't have to apologize if I don't want to. Why? Because I'm human and make mistakes like everyone. Of course I have to reap what I sow, and thus reap negatively if I don't apologize, but no more so than you or ANYONE else reaps for their pride and stubborness to not apologize for wrong. Most of the time we don't even know what we do is wrong. Like in your case with condemning me and making me feel so hated by you. Before you condemn me and hate me for being rude and frustrated, you should take a look at yourself.

I know my sin, and God is dealing with it. In fact, it's none of your business. God can convict me by Himself, He doesn't need your condemnation and hate against me to help. Stop trying to convict me, because you onlu condemn me. Why not forgive me and love me instead?

Jesus wouldn't do anything, because He would never be in a circumstance to where He'd have to apologize for being rude.


You could learn a lot from Nadiine. She clothed her words with Love and Care. You clothe your words with condemnation and hate.

I listened to her because she gave Love. I ignore everything you say because your words are clothed in condemnation and hate. My heart is unresponsive to hate and condemnation. It's human nature.

Whether or not you speak the truth doesn't matter. What matters is if the person you are speaking to receives the truth. If you clothe your words in condemnation and hate, they will not receive your words, even if truth. Nadiine speaks what she believes is truth, with Love. Because of that, I received her words with open ears and a open heart. You, on the other hand, I am deaf to, and I will not listen. Why should I listen to someone who gives me hate and condemns me? You could learn a lot from Nadiine's example. If you speak to me with hate, it is irrelevant if what you say is truth or not. You speak in love, and I will receive whatever you say and consider it.

The moment Nadiine said, "I don't blame you Ronny, having some people argue against your claims isn't any fun" I felt loved. I opened my ears to what she had to say, and considered it. I listned and opened my mind to her words. The Power of Love.
In this witch hunt to crucify me, I have felt nothing but hate and condemnation from everyone. Then Nadiine speaks Love instead of hate, and acceptance instead of condemnation. Although we disagree on a lot, she speaks out of Love and Care. She doesn't speak out of hate, attacking me personally.

As for the rest of you that hate me, I don't even consider what you have to say. It's not fun for me to be hated by people who call themselves Christians.

The moment you say stuff like, "You aren't here to look good?" you show that you do not accept me out of Love. When you say, "Which means that you aren't here to show the Love of God that you keep saying is in you?" and condemn me, pointing out my flaws, my faults, my sins, condemning me for my sins, attacking me personally, calling me not just a sinner, but a nutjob, a heretic, etc.

All you have done is attack me, hate me, and condemn me. You do nothing but point out my flaws and faults to condemn me. You hate, never love.

The moment I read, "If you can't read this post and not see how arrogant and prideful you are" or "You aren't God and you are His precious Son, Jesus, nor are you the Holy Ghost. I don't have to know you to know them, you put yourself way to high. " I immeditely shut you off, ignoring everything you say. Hate creates an unresponsive heart.

All you have done is pointed out my sin and condemned me, made wild accusations [personal attacks] against my character, and just shot out hate hate hate hate hate and condemnation.

Learn from Nadiine's example. You could learn a lot from her.

Props go to Nadiine! Out of all this witch-hunting and personal attacks, she's the only one to show me Love. All others have showed me nothing but hate and condemnation.

You sit here and whine about personal attacks, witch hunts, etc etc and REFUSE to apologize and repent for being rude to others. What a joke. You only show love to those who show love to you. yeah that is what Jesus did alright. Get off you high horse man. You preach in thread after thread, post after post about love love love love love and yet you yourself fail to show it. You chalk it up to you are a sinner. Guess what so is everyone.

 

[RonnyRulz]

You sit here and whine about personal attacks, witch hunts, etc etc and REFUSE to apologize and repent for being rude to others.

*sigh* there it goes agian. pointing out my sins, my faults, my flaws, telling me how horrible of a person I am. hating me. condemning me.

You only show love to those who show love to you

Oh, I'm sorry Mr.Perfect. I guess you loved God before He loved you? And the reason you love Him is besides the fact He loves you? Don't deceive yourself, you're a human too, and you are not so high that you do not only love those who love you. Afterall, I am here, not loving you, and you don't love me. How does that make you any different from me?

1 John 4:19
We love because he first loved us.

Who are you to condemn me for only loving those who love me?

You preach in thread after thread, post after post about love love love love love and yet you yourself fail to show it.

tsk tsk tsk, that's the look the world (unbelievers) see with Christians. They call them hypocrites, and turn away from Christianity because of it.

Guess what bub, love is the only way. But I'm not perfect. I am a hypocrite. But the truth is still that love is the only way. I preach the Gospel of Love, Jesus's Gospel. That doesn't mean I have to live a life of perfection.

Do you not understand? No one is perfect, but the gospel must be preached anyway.
If you had to live by the Gospel to preach the Gospel, the only person that could ever preach the Gospel is Jesus, because He is the only one that followed the Gospel 100%. He's the only perfect one.

If you ever preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, yet sin, you are a hypocrite like me. Remember that next time you condemn someone for being a hypocrite.

 

[jad123]

*sigh* there it goes agian. pointing out my sins, my faults, my flaws, telling me how horrible of a person I am. hating me. condemning me.



Oh, I'm sorry Mr.Perfect. I guess you loved God before He loved you? And the reason you love Him is besides the fact He loves you? Don't deceive yourself, you're a human too, and you are not so high that you do not only love those who love you. Afterall, I am here, not loving you, and you don't love me. How does that make you any different from me?

1 John 4:19
We love because he first loved us.

Who are you to condemn me for only loving those who love me?



tsk tsk tsk, that's the look the world (unbelievers) see with Christians. They call them hypocrites, and turn away from Christianity because of it.

Guess what bub, love is the only way. But I'm not perfect. I am a hypocrite. But the truth is still that love is the only way. I preach the Gospel of Love, Jesus's Gospel. That doesn't mean I have to live a life of perfection.

Do you not understand? No one is perfect, but the gospel must be preached anyway.
If you had to live by the Gospel to preach the Gospel, the only person that could ever preach the Gospel is Jesus, because He is the only one that followed the Gospel 100%. He's the only perfect one.

If you ever preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, yet sin, you are a hypocrite like me. Remember that next time you condemn someone for being a hypocrite.

Here you go again. Constant whining. Never said I was perfect. You have sat on these boards judging person after person, even questioning their love of Chirst.

I apologize for being so blunt but I AM SICK OF IT. You are right no one is perfect. But hey you recognize you sin and do not repent.

 

[Blank123]

Sounding arrogant and speaking the truth are two different things. Consider that.

speaking the truth in love is somethng we all need to do, but once again, unless you're prepared to offer a Biblical exposition of why what you're saying is correct you're not going to get very far.

Anyone can say that God appeared to them and said such and such a thing but how are we to know its true? the only standard of truth we have is the Bible so we need to see that Bible expounded to support this argument you're trying to offer, and you need to be willing to listen to us, without thinking we're trying to judge you or insult you, when we have verses to give you -regardless of whether those verses support what you're saying or not. We all need to stop with the personal attacks already and worrying about whos being loving and whos not and focus on the topic at hand and see what the Lord has already revealed to us through the Bible.

but Ronny, this isn't an attack but an exhortation, until you're ready to start going to the Bible and really expound it to back your arguments rather than going back to things you expect us to believe you've experienced you shouldn't be surprised when the rest of us don't automatically believe what you're telling us.

 

[intricatic]

For what it's worth, I don't hate you at all, I just disagree with you.

I hope you don't draw the wrong idea from my posts.

God bless.

 

[JacobHall86]

Quit being so emo about everything.

 

[Ceridwen]

Yahweh shall brutalize you for your sins ("wrath") unless you believe that Christ was brutalized on the cross as a sin payment ("atonement"). If you believe this, you will be justified by faith.

 

[Ceridwen]

That is good reason to feel anxiety about the concept of Yahweh.

 

[RonnyRulz]

Here you go again. Constant whining. Never said I was perfect. You have sat on these boards judging person after person, even questioning their love of Chirst.

I apologize for being so blunt but I AM SICK OF IT. You are right no one is perfect. But hey you recognize you sin and do not repent.

Thanks for the extra hate.

I never question anyone's love of Christ. It's undeniable that they love God. What's deniable is that they are in love with God. There's a difference.
I believe all christians love God. Just not all are in love with God. All christians believe in God. Just not all know Him.

I am blunt as well, because I'm also "sick of it". I'm sick of people calling themselves christians but when they see someone who is friends (real friends, TALKS TO, hangs out with, knows) God, they think they are weird/odd.

Like the people who give me weird looks when I say that God got my flowers for my birthday. They are all silent and have a weird look on their face. Well, rather that or I'm insecure and think they are thinking I'm weird when they actually just don't have anything to say.

I judge those in the church because they want to know God, yet they deny Him when He wants to get close to them. The average human being. Complacent, lacking empathy, not caring about God anymore than just a "ticket to Heaven". Narrow the road to face to face with God.

You know, I'm done with trying to help people. They [christians] can live their lives never knowing God, I don't even care anymore. I'll just spread the Gospel to unbelievers who actually will appreciate a relationship with a Living God. I'm done trying to spread it to christians who believe in a dead God. These forums only show me how much christians are filled with hate and condemnation, so lacking in love. Really opened my eyes because I thought they all really care deep down inside. They don't. They just want to hate and condemn just like all other unbelievers. When you take away love from christianity, they become nothing more than an unbeliever.

If you people never want to dance with Jesus or have a picnic with the Holy Spirit, to really intimately get to know God, then that's fine. You're the one missing out when you crucify me for telling you about it. I'm not going to miss out. I'm not going to be the one that doesn't know God. I'm sick of trying to help people out of kindness only to be rejected, despised, verbally spit upon, and crucified.

 

[RonnyRulz]

but Ronny, this isn't an attack but an exhortation, until you're ready to start going to the Bible and really expound it to back your arguments rather than going back to things you expect us to believe you've experienced you shouldn't be surprised when the rest of us don't automatically believe what you're telling us.

What does the Bible have anything to do with my experiences? I'm not trying to convince you to believe anything. All I'm doing is saying my experience and telling you that the same can happen to you. I don't care if you believe or not, it's your choice.

It's not like I'm saying, "You must believe me when I say I know Jesus." All I care about is if you try and know Him yourself or not.

What can possibly be unbiblical or wrong about saying, "Seek God like you would a friend. Talk to Him. Hang out with Him. Speak to Him, say "Hey God, what's up?"

I don't need a bible to support the concept of knowing God as a friend. People can deny that's possible all they want, and they can quote scripture all they want about how we can't see God face to face, but I'm just here to say it's possible.

I don't need to quote the Bible in telling people it's possible to see God face to face, person to person, friend to friend. That's common sense. Anyone that knows anything about the Bible knows that's possible.

I really don't care if you believe me that Jesus is visible to me or not. That's irrelevant. I only said that because someone asked me a question. I wasn't the one who began to tell about that, I was asked. I gave an answer to a question, not a statement from thin air to convince you to believe me.

I really don't care if you believe me or not, as long as you seek God yourself. What's wrong with praying to have the same thing other's claim, if what they claim is very big if true? Seek and you will find. Ask and receive. What's wrong with asking God, "I want to see your Face."?

 

[intricatic]

Thanks for the extra hate.

I never question anyone's love of Christ. It's undeniable that they love God. What's deniable is that they are in love with God. There's a difference.
I believe all christians love God. Just not all are in love with God. All christians believe in God. Just not all know Him.

I am blunt as well, because I'm also "sick of it". I'm sick of people calling themselves christians but when they see someone who is friends (real friends, TALKS TO, hangs out with, knows) God, they think they are weird/odd.

Like the people who give me weird looks when I say that God got my flowers for my birthday. They are all silent and have a weird look on their face. Well, rather that or I'm insecure and think they are thinking I'm weird when they actually just don't have anything to say.

I judge those in the church because they want to know God, yet they deny Him when He wants to get close to them. The average human being. Complacent, lacking empathy, not caring about God anymore than just a "ticket to Heaven". Narrow the road to face to face with God.

You know, I'm done with trying to help people. They [christians] can live their lives never knowing God, I don't even care anymore. I'll just spread the Gospel to unbelievers who actually will appreciate a relationship with a Living God. I'm done trying to spread it to christians who believe in a dead God. These forums only show me how much christians are filled with hate and condemnation, so lacking in love. Really opened my eyes because I thought they all really care deep down inside. They don't. They just want to hate and condemn just like all other unbelievers. When you take away love from christianity, they become nothing more than an unbeliever.

If you people never want to dance with Jesus or have a picnic with the Holy Spirit, to really intimately get to know God, then that's fine. You're the one missing out when you crucify me for telling you about it. I'm not going to miss out. I'm not going to be the one that doesn't know God. I'm sick of trying to help people out of kindness only to be rejected, despised, verbally spit upon, and crucified.

The entire concept is just strange. Even people in the Early Church didn't make such claims - thus, some corroboration of the nature of the topic would be wonderful. God is most definitely not dead - if He were, we would be as well. But there are many people who have claimed over the years to either be God, or to have personal and direct contact with God. The odds are universally in favour of a nearly complete deviation from scripture save for the exception of one man who lived some 2000 years ago and died on a cross....

 

[RonnyRulz]

I wouldn't care what others thought if I also didn't care about others.

The only person I honestly don't care how they feel against me is you. I know you hate me with Satan's hate, so I honestly don't care about you. But these other people, it hurts when I try to spread a personal God and a Living God, not a dead one, and they attack me personally.

All I was saying was, pray to God, "I want to see your Face!" That gets me crucified though. People think the blood of Jesus is so weak that even with it we can't see God's Face.

 

[RonnyRulz]

The entire concept is just strange.

Yep, it's very strange to a lot of people.
You know what's also strange? Speaking in tongues, prayer, expecting God to pull through, a Living God, only one way to Heaven, miracles, healing, God speaking to you through the Bible, or speaking period.

Christianity is very strange to those who do not know. God, the infinitely massive ruler of the universe, is...our friend? Now that's strange to people. Yet it's the way it suppose to be. Real friends. Intimate lovers.

Acts 17:16-31
In Athens
16While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols. 17So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there. 18A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection. 19Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting? 20You are bringing some strange ideas to our ears, and we want to know what they mean." 21(All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.)

22Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: "Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. 23For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Now what you worship as something unknown I am going to proclaim to you.
24"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. 25And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. 26From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. 27God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 28'For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.' 29"Therefore since we are God's offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by man's design and skill. 30In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead."

The Gospel itself is Strange. God is Strange. An immortal, powerful, omnipotent, omnipresent, all-powerful God wants to be OUR friend? Intimate friend? Incredibly strange.

But there are many people who have claimed over the years to either be God, or to have personal and direct contact with God.

That's all well and good, but I'm not trying to sell anything.

What do I have to profit to tell someone that they personally can get to know God very closely? What do I profit if I never see them in my entire life? What do I profit if they say, "I will know God to the max." and I never ever see them?

I'm not a pastor or an evangelist, I don't want anyone's money or fame or recognition. I speak to people I will never see, to people that I will never know if they are effected, and for what profit? I don't profit on this at all.

I'm not Mormon or anyone else, preaching a gospel other than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. What do I have to gain by telling of a really really REALLY personal God? I knew I'd be hated, mocked, crucified, called a heretic, etc. etc. I knew people would hate me, and I don't want to be hated. I have nothing to gain from this, but I have a lot to lose. Pain caused by people who sew hate, insults, belittlement, attacks on my character...

I lose a lot, because I care a lot, so when I get attacked it means more than just an empty attack. But I gain nothing.

It's nuts when people claim to be God or to know God closely and then try to sell you something. Rather wanting your money, fame, or wanting you to follow their church. I have no church. Christians are my church. I want no fame, nor do I want anyone's money. I just want people to know the amazingness of knowing God so closely. The power of God, to know what it means to "Ask and Receive." To have every prayer answered. To be blessed beyond this world, to know God personally.

I never claim to be God, or to want other's money or for them to follow a doctrine or church. I don't even have a doctrine. The only thing I'm preaching is intimacy with a personal living God. That's not even a doctrine, it's just a statement of "You know God as a God, why not also ask to know Him as a Friend?"