Does God hate people??

[GraftMeIn]

It isn't people that are evil, it is the deeds they choose to do that are evil. By the blood of Jesus we are forgiven our evil deeds, this makes us clean enough to go to God, We go to him through prayers, When we draw close to Him he draws close to us. If you're having trouble understanding His Love then you should pray that He'll give you the understanding you need.

 

[new2calvin]

so the actions are evil.....
Genesis 6:5, Genesis 8:21, Psalm 51:5...
evil actions come from evil people

so God is loving when he sends people to hell???

God Be Praised

 

[GraftMeIn]

Again I will ask you this question...

Heaven is Gods house, His Children will spend eternity there.

Now keeping this in mind, would you invite those who hate, curse you, and your family, refuse to follow any rules, into your home to live forever?

I'll even expand on this question and add, what if you had children and they started killing them, stole from you, showed no respect for you or your family, with no intention of ever changing their ways. would you allow them to live with you forever?

 

[new2calvin]

but thats what God says to do with are enemys. Love your enemys(Matt 5:4). SO if God truely loved them he wouldnt send them to hell.

 

[GraftMeIn]

He doesn't want them to go there, He has offered them a way out, It's up to them to take it.

 

[new2calvin]

Last time I checked Christianity wasn't a works religion. Choosing is a work, and we are not saved by works but by faith.

 

[Gabriel]

*new2calvin stirs the pot*

 

Alright, here we go.  Romans 9:13 "As it is written, Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."  That seems pretty clear.  Is it because Esau was evil?  Let's see.  Romans 9:11&12  (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls) it was said to her(Rebecca), "The older shall serve the younger."  Now see verse 13 above.

This tells us a couple things. First, God does hate some people.  Second, it has nothing to do with the person.  Third, some are chosen for salvation, others are not.  Fourth, this decision has, again, nothing to do with us.  It is of God, not our works.

Yes but we must choose God while we are still alive here on earth.

  No.  Ephesians 2:4&6 "But God because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus."  We are dead and unable to make that choice.  He makes those He elects and loves alive and raises us up to become His children.

Now keeping this in mind, would you invite those who hate, curse you, and your family, refuse to follow any rules, into your home to live forever?

  As Christ was being crucified, He looked to the heavens and said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do."  He certainly did die and rise for those who hated Him.  Saul of Tarsus is a wonderful example of that.


 

 

[Knight]

Excellent point Gabe. (I got the "e" right that time)

Whenever someone says they've chosen God I'm compelled to ask them what made them choose God. The Bible clearly teaches us that man does not seek God on his own.

Romans 3:10-12
10 As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one."

So, If no one seeks God then how can they choose Him? They can't. God draws his people to Himself and leads them to repentance and faith.

(My, my, the "election" debates seem to be rampant these days.)

 

[Gabriel]

(I got the "e" right that time<IMG alt="" src="http://www.christianforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border=0>)

You&nbsp;da man!

(My, my, the "election" debates seem to be rampant these days.)

It's hard to get away from it with topics like this.&nbsp; It is clear that God does hate some, so we must also show that He loves others and that "it is not of him who wills, or him who runs, but of God who shows mercy."

 

[Knight]

Originally posted by Gabriel
It's hard to get away from it with topics like this.&nbsp; It is clear that God does hate some, so we must also show that He loves others and that "it is not of him who wills, or him who runs, but of God who shows mercy."

You're right and I did not mean to imply that you had started this particular debate. It's just that this is a recurring subject for many threads in many forums over the past couple of months and it's getting a little tiring. Oh well........

Shields up my friend. I've no doubt we're about to get fired upon for these last couple of posts.

 

[Gabriel]

I know.&nbsp; You don't usually imply anything.&nbsp; If you want to say it, you say it.&nbsp; I like that.

Shields were up before I started typing.&nbsp;

OT Did you catch Al Gore on Fox news last night?&nbsp;

 

[Knight]

Originally posted by Gabriel

OT Did you catch Al Gore on Fox news last night?&nbsp;

Unfortunately, no. I don't have cable or dish and, as such, can't get Fox NEWS. I might be getting it next year but I have to finnish my budget for 2003 first to see if I can afford it.

Care to let me know what happened?

 

[Gabriel]

Actually I only caught part of it this morning.&nbsp; I was going to ask you to update me. &nbsp;&nbsp; The part that I saw was classic Al Gore.&nbsp; he was whining that Fox News is too conservative.&nbsp; Unfairly swinging to the right.&nbsp; I guess it is OK that the other 500 news channels all swing so far to the left that they can't even see the right.&nbsp; He was on Hannity and Combes last night.&nbsp; Hannity is a conservative christian.&nbsp; Combes is a middle of the road liberal.&nbsp; Hannity is great.&nbsp; When you call his radio show, sometimes he'll ask you to recite the pledge or the Star Spangled Banner.&nbsp; if you can't do it, he hangs up on you.

 

[Knight]

Originally posted by Gabriel
Actually I only caught part of it this morning.&nbsp; I was going to ask you to update me. &nbsp;&nbsp; The part that I saw was classic Al Gore.&nbsp; he was whining that Fox News is too conservative.&nbsp; Unfairly swinging to the right.&nbsp; I guess it is OK that the other 500 news channels all swing so far to the left that they can't even see the right.&nbsp; He was on Hannity and Combes last night.&nbsp; Hannity is a conservative christian.&nbsp; Combes is a middle of the road liberal.&nbsp; Hannity is great.&nbsp; When you call his radio show, sometimes he'll ask you to recite the pledge or the Star Spangled Banner.&nbsp; if you can't do it, he hangs up on you.

Typical wining liberal. They're never more interesting than when they're out of power. Poor old Al still isn't convinced that he lost. In power they're dangerous because they can actually implement their crazy schemes.

I'm familiar with Sean Hannity. He's substituted for Rush a couple times in the past. I have his book on my Christmas list. If no one gives it to me I'll buy it myself.

 

[new2calvin]

2 Thess 2:11- For this reason God sends them a powerful dellusion so that they will believe the lie

1 Peter 2:8-They stumble because they disobey the message-which is also what they were destined for

2 Peter 2:12-But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.

Malachi 1:2-3-"I have loved you," says the LORD.&nbsp; "But you ask, 'How have you loved us?' "Was not Esau Jacob's brother?" the LORD says.&nbsp; "Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and lieft his inheritance to the desert jackals."

Would God send people a dellusion if he loved them?&nbsp; Would he destine people to disobey the message?&nbsp; Would he have people be born that would only perish like beasts?&nbsp; Would he destroy an entire people for no reason?&nbsp; I don't think so.

 

[Job_38]

Ah, I love it when conservatives talk. I get so use to liberals whining about the goverment and going into Iraq, it feels good to hear some common interest being discussed.

 

[Job_38]

Originally posted by GraftMeIn
It isn't people that are evil, it is the deeds they choose to do that are evil. By the blood of Jesus we are forgiven our evil deeds, this makes us clean enough to go to God, We go to him through prayers, When we draw close to Him he draws close to us. If you're having trouble understanding His Love then you should pray that He'll give you the understanding you need.

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&nbsp;Thats where you are wrong. People are evil, thats why we must be forgiven by God.

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Psalm 14:3- They have all turned aside. They have together become corrupt, There is none who does good, no not one.

Ecclesiastes 7:20-For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin

Now, I can give you verses, about 19 that I have, that show that man is evil. But I would rather you look at the world around you and see that we are evil. That is why murderers continue to murder and homicide bombers still blow themselves and others up at malls.

 

[Homie]

God is loving, but he is foremost a fair God. God gave us free will, if we choose to repent for our sins and choose God we will be with God in Heaven, if we don't choose God we won't stay with God in heaven - we will stay in a place where God has NO presence, Hell.

even though he is loving does not mean he isn't fair. Why did God hate Esau?

 

[Homie]

God is loving, but he is foremost a fair God. God gave us free will, if we choose to repent for our sins and choose God we will be with God in Heaven, if we don't choose God we won't stay with God in heaven - we will stay in a place where God has NO presence, Hell.

even though he is loving does not mean he isn't fair.

 

[Baylor_SFL]

I don't believe that God sends people to hell. They choose hell for themeselves. It's a choice that people make. Will a person choose to follow their sinful ways and turn away from God? or will they turn to God, accept the sacrifice that Jesus has made for him and believe that He has given himself--and lives again? It's all about the choice that one makes.

God's love is unconditional. The only unforgivable sin is the sin of turning against God (refusing God's love).