Does God approve of Kabbalah?

[HannibalFlavius]

Two days from when, the final defeat of Israel? If so, then the third day begins after 2100 AD.

The final defeat of Israel?


The coming of the Lord is as the rain, two comings.



Come, let us return to the LORD. For He has torn us, but He will heal us; He has wounded us, but He will bandage us. 2"He will revive us after two days; He will raise us up on the third day, That we may live before Him. 3"So let us know, let us press on to know the LORD. His going forth is as certain as the dawn; And He will come to us like the rain, Like the spring rain watering the earth."…



Gentiles claim they are the new Israel, the new Jerusalem, the new Temple, but if they think any destruction is coming to Israel, it must be talking of the Jewish Israel.



The Temple was fired twice on the same day, and many people believe that the first two events points to a yet third event, of the third Temple.


I also believe this, and being that humans are the third Temple, fire comes to humans who are the temple.


Where do you see Israel being defeated?


What I see is millions of Joseph being found and then being united with Judah, the two of them mount up together and spoil the nations who were against Israel.


In that day, people will tremble at the very mention of the name of Judah.

 

[daq]

Regards to Luke 17:20-21. "Around you." Not in you.

Why then does the author not use mesos? There are quite a few places where the Gospel of Luke employs mesos-midst including the very same passage just ten verses before this statement. In fact mesos is used in all of the Gospel accounts to describe what you have suggested. It is used in the very same way ascribed to the less common entos in your comments:

Matthew 18:20 KJV
20. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst [GSN#3319 mesos] of them.

Luke 17:11 KJV
11. And it came to pass, as he went to Jerusalem, that he passed through the midst [GSN#3319 mesos] of Samaria and Galilee.

BDB - Strong's Greek Definition for #3319
3319 // mesov // mesos // mes'-os //
from 3326 ; adj
AV - midst 41, among 6, from among + 1537 5, midnight + 3571 2, misc 5; 61
1) middle
2) the midst
3) in the midst of, amongst

However in the same Luke 17 passage the same author now employs entos:

Luke 17:20-21 KJV
20. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: [GSN#3907 parateresis]
21. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within [GSN#1787 entos] you.

BDB - Strong's Greek Definition for #3907
3907 // parathrhsiv // parateresis // par-at-ay'-ray-sis //
from 3906 ; TDNT - 8:148,1174; n f
AV - observation 1; 1
1) observation

Original Strong's Ref. #3907
Romanized parateresis
Pronounced par-at-ay'-ray-sis
from GSN3906; inspection, i.e. ocular evidence:
KJV--obervation.

BDB - Strong's Greek Definition for #1787
1787 // entov // entos // en-tos' //
from 1722 ; prep
AV - within 2; 2
1) within, inside
1a) within you i.e. in the midst of you
1b) within you i.e. your soul

Luke 17:21 TUA
21. oude erousin, "Idou hode!" e "Ekei!" Idou gar he basileia tou Theou entos humon estin."^

"Idou gar he basileia tou Theou entos humon estin" . . .
"For, behold, the kingdom of the Theou within yourselves it is!" . . .

No wonder it is so hard to see!

 

[ContraMundum]

Regards to Luke 17:20-21. "Around you." Not in you.

Actually, that can't work. "Within" or "among/in the midst of" is more correct.

 

[ContraMundum]

Just to add to daq's post above.

The only other usage of "entos" in the NT is here:

Mat 23:26 Blind Pharisee! First cleanse the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside of them may become clean also.

Gk: φαρισαιε τυφλε καθαρισον πρωτον το εντος του ποτηριου και της παροψιδος ινα γενηται και το εκτος αυτων καθαρον

Regardless of whether the translator emphasizes "within" or "in the midst of" the context is really against chiliasm and seeking an outward Kingdom of God. It does not speak against the outward revelation of God's people though....but I don't want to digress here.

 

[daq]

What do you make of this Contra?

Ezekiel 19:1-10 KJV
1. Moreover take thou up a lamentation for the princes of Israel,
2. And say, What is thy mother? A lioness: she lay down among lions, she nourished her whelps among young lions.
3. And she brought up one of her whelps: it became a young lion, and it learned to catch the prey; it devoured men.
4. The nations also heard of him; he was taken in their pit, and they brought him with chains unto the land of Egypt.
5. Now when she saw that she had waited, and her hope was lost, then she took another of her whelps, and made him a young lion.
6. And he went up and down among the lions, he became a young lion, and learned to catch the prey, and devoured men.
7. And he knew their desolate palaces, and he laid waste their cities; and the land was desolate, and the fulness thereof, by the noise of his roaring.
8. Then the nations set against him on every side from the provinces, and spread their net over him: he was taken in their pit.
9. And they put him in ward in chains, and brought him to the king of Babylon: they brought him into holds, that his voice should no more be heard upon the mountains of Israel.
10. Thy mother is like a vine in thy blood, planted by the waters: she was fruitful and full of branches by reason of many waters.

Introspective Kabbalah?

 

[daq]

Just to add to daq's post above.

The only other usage of "entos" in the NT is here:

Mat 23:26 Blind Pharisee! First cleanse the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside of them may become clean also.

Gk: φαρισαιε τυφλε καθαρισον πρωτον το εντος του ποτηριου και της παροψιδος ινα γενηται και το εκτος αυτων καθαρον

Regardless of whether the translator emphasizes "within" or "in the midst of" the context is really against chiliasm and seeking an outward Kingdom of God. It does not speak against the outward revelation of God's people though....but I don't want to digress here.

The time it took to look this up is probably worth its weight in gold, (in the kingdom of the heavens).

 

[ContraMundum]

What do you make of this Contra?

Ezekiel 19:1-10 KJV
1. Moreover take thou up a lamentation for the princes of Israel,
2. And say, What is thy mother? A lioness: she lay down among lions, she nourished her whelps among young lions.
3. And she brought up one of her whelps: it became a young lion, and it learned to catch the prey; it devoured men.
4. The nations also heard of him; he was taken in their pit, and they brought him with chains unto the land of Egypt.
5. Now when she saw that she had waited, and her hope was lost, then she took another of her whelps, and made him a young lion.
6. And he went up and down among the lions, he became a young lion, and learned to catch the prey, and devoured men.
7. And he knew their desolate palaces, and he laid waste their cities; and the land was desolate, and the fulness thereof, by the noise of his roaring.
8. Then the nations set against him on every side from the provinces, and spread their net over him: he was taken in their pit.
9. And they put him in ward in chains, and brought him to the king of Babylon: they brought him into holds, that his voice should no more be heard upon the mountains of Israel.
10. Thy mother is like a vine in thy blood, planted by the waters: she was fruitful and full of branches by reason of many waters.

Introspective Kabbalah?

I'm not sure what you want me to say here. I tend to read Ezekiel in historic context so the prophetic language is describing or foretelling events for that time and place.

But yeah, you can get some Kabbalistic imagery in there too!

 

[CherubRam]

I give up. my computer is under constant attack here.

 

[MadMaxData]

Actually, that can't work. "Within" or "among/in the midst of" is more correct.

Yes, among is a perfect fit. Good job!

 

[mercy1061]

Just to add to daq's post above.

The only other usage of "entos" in the NT is here:

Mat 23:26 Blind Pharisee! First cleanse the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside of them may become clean also.

Gk: φαρισαιε τυφλε καθαρισον πρωτον το εντος του ποτηριου και της παροψιδος ινα γενηται και το εκτος αυτων καθαρον

Regardless of whether the translator emphasizes "within" or "in the midst of" the context is really against chiliasm and seeking an outward Kingdom of God. It does not speak against the outward revelation of God's people though....but I don't want to digress here.

The Pharisees practiced cleaning the outside of the cup, they needed only to clean the inside so that the contents they drink may not be contaminated. As regarding the kingdom not being seen, it was commanded that the law be observed, in fact, one must be born again to see the kingdom of G-d. Yet Yeshua likened the Son of man as llightning flashes that you see, its location you do not know because lightning travels instantly from east to west, but his thundering loud voice you can only hear. If we observe torah kingdom law like the lightning flashes we see only for a brief moment, the kingdom of G-d will be within us.

 

[DennisTate]

What do you make of this Contra?

Ezekiel 19:1-10 KJV
1. Moreover take thou up a lamentation for the princes of Israel,
2. And say, What is thy mother? A lioness: she lay down among lions, she nourished her whelps among young lions.
3. And she brought up one of her whelps: it became a young lion, and it learned to catch the prey; it devoured men.
4. The nations also heard of him; he was taken in their pit, and they brought him with chains unto the land of Egypt.
5. Now when she saw that she had waited, and her hope was lost, then she took another of her whelps, and made him a young lion.
6. And he went up and down among the lions, he became a young lion, and learned to catch the prey, and devoured men.
7. And he knew their desolate palaces, and he laid waste their cities; and the land was desolate, and the fulness thereof, by the noise of his roaring.
8. Then the nations set against him on every side from the provinces, and spread their net over him: he was taken in their pit.
9. And they put him in ward in chains, and brought him to the king of Babylon: they brought him into holds, that his voice should no more be heard upon the mountains of Israel.
10. Thy mother is like a vine in thy blood, planted by the waters: she was fruitful and full of branches by reason of many waters.

Introspective Kabbalah?

On one level...... this sure fits with the Book of Jasher where while Joseph/Yosef is in Egypt....... the other children of Jacob have a major war with the people of Canaan......

Scroll down to chapters 37 - 39:

Book of Jasher

 

[shadowhunter]

The primary error of kabbalah is the assumption that when God created, the words had power that God used, rather than God having power. The goal of kabbalah is to learn the words to control the things (the heart of all your mythical magic) and undo the works of God.

The claim is that when his works are undone, he will be proud as a father who was just beaten at basketball by his son. Everything about kabbalah is designed to lead you away from Christ and seeing him in the scriptures.

 

[shadowhunter]

Any Kabbalah! I never read any mystic writings of Paul.

The terms Mystic and Kaballah are misapplied to Paul and John. Paul and John share in their ability to unpack the 'mystery hidden from the beginning'. Jesus said that all the scriptures speak of him. How is this possible if they are merely literal-historical writings?

When Jesus read scripture, he saw himself hidden in prophetic riddle.

When the guys on the road to Emmaus returned to Jerusalem, the disciples started trying to reproduce the sermon in their studies. They became more proficient with time.

Mark wrote first and captured their early understanding.
Matthew understood that Israel was a shadow of Christ.
Luke saw that those before Abram were also a shadow of Christ.
John learned that Hebrew words contained meaning by the collection of the meaning of letters.

The disciples had been taught in riddles about the cross. You can se them in the parables and miracles. Paul, taught by Jesus after the cross, was told about the bride. Paul had to show the council at Jerusalem that the bride was also hidden in the riddles.

Their method of interpretation is reproducible. The mystic methods are not. Kabbalah opposes Christ. John and Paul reveal him.