Yea Jesus even says somewhere DO NOT wait until you are sick to pray I can find it give me a few minutes here...
well its in there somewhere maybe you can find it blade when i run across it i'll tack it in...
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Does God always heal?
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Yea Jesus even says somewhere DO NOT wait until you are sick to pray I can find it give me a few minutes here...
well its in there somewhere maybe you can find it blade when i run across it i'll tack it in...
Blade don't you think God delivers faith, He works it in us? It's always been my impression, were it not for Him hanging around, even when I didn't know He was there... because without God being present the devil surely would have crashed this car aeons ago...
Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Romans 12:3 - For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Romans 12:3 - For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
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So what happens when someone isn't healed?
Does that mean that he or she, and the people that are praying for him/her, lacks faith?
I want to see the responses here.
Does that mean that he or she, and the people that are praying for him/her, lacks faith?
I want to see the responses here.
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I am also interested in your answer for this question.
I have another question.
What is going to hapen to your faith when God does not heal you? It is a safe bet to say that one day, you will not be healed, and you will die. Knowing this... in your final days will you turn from God, or will your faith increase as you prepare to leave this world?
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And that's the big question, isn't it Stormy? 
If you're not healed because God doesn't choose to heal you, do you lean more on the Lord in faith or do you turn away because you doubt your faith or the Lord?
Me? I'd depend upon Him more. I have no doubt about that whatsoever. There is a fabulously spiritual woman named Joni Erickson Tada (I believe thats how you spell it), who's in a wheelchair. She prayed and prayed to become "healed", and she's still in her wheelchair. There are very few women who have inspired me the way she has in her faith. The Lord is doing a mighty work through her, through her physical handicap, to be a witness of God's love, grace and mercy, and strength.
If you're not healed because God doesn't choose to heal you, do you lean more on the Lord in faith or do you turn away because you doubt your faith or the Lord?
Me? I'd depend upon Him more. I have no doubt about that whatsoever. There is a fabulously spiritual woman named Joni Erickson Tada (I believe thats how you spell it), who's in a wheelchair. She prayed and prayed to become "healed", and she's still in her wheelchair. There are very few women who have inspired me the way she has in her faith. The Lord is doing a mighty work through her, through her physical handicap, to be a witness of God's love, grace and mercy, and strength.
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Originally posted by blindfaith
And that's the big question, isn't it Stormy?
If you're not healed because God doesn't choose to heal you, do you lean more on the Lord in faith or do you turn away because you doubt your faith or the Lord?
Me? I'd depend upon Him more. I have no doubt about that whatsoever. There is a fabulously spiritual woman named Joni Erickson Tada (I believe thats how you spell it), who's in a wheelchair. She prayed and prayed to become "healed", and she's still in her wheelchair. There are very few women who have inspired me the way she has in her faith. The Lord is doing a mighty work through her, through her physical handicap, to be a witness of God's love, grace and mercy, and strength.
I agree. I mentioned Joni in a post before but it fell on the typical deaf ears of those in the word of faith movement.
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She's truly amazing, and an incredible example of faith in action.
God is truly using her for His glory, and to help not only those who are suffering in the same way, people who are struggling in their faith, and people who are having no problems at all.
Thanks for mentioning her!!
Much love,
BF
God is truly using her for His glory, and to help not only those who are suffering in the same way, people who are struggling in their faith, and people who are having no problems at all.
Thanks for mentioning her!!
Much love,
BF
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Originally posted by blindfaith
She's truly amazing, and an incredible example of faith in action.
God is truly using her for His glory, and to help not only those who are suffering in the same way, people who are struggling in their faith, and people who are having no problems at all.
Thanks for mentioning her!!
Much love,
BF
My pleasure.
I think every Christian should read her book, "When God Weeps: Why our Sufferings Matter to the Almighty" it is excellent. Her book, "Heaven: Our Real Home" is also very good.
God Bless
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God's Promise
God didn't promise
days without pain,
laughter without sorrow
or sun without rain,
But God did promise
strength for the day,
comfort for the tears
and a light for the way.
And for all who believe
in His kingdom above,
He answers their faith
with everlasting love.
I think this is so beautiful.
Theresa
God didn't promise
days without pain,
laughter without sorrow
or sun without rain,
But God did promise
strength for the day,
comfort for the tears
and a light for the way.
And for all who believe
in His kingdom above,
He answers their faith
with everlasting love.
I think this is so beautiful.
Theresa
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We have the power to raise people from the dead, the bible says, but the balance is there is a time to die.
Jesus said over and over "let it be done according to your faith". The balance is, that you won't recieve the answer to your prayer right away alot of times. God will use various trials to make you a stronger person, but God isn't in the business of torture. Another balance would be if you ignored God and kept on sinning, and when you reap you harvest, it says in proverbs that He won't even listen to your prayers. Thats why when Prophets prayed and fasted, they also confessed sins.
If your not seeing specific answered prayers on a regular bases, then there is something wrong.
Jesus said over and over "let it be done according to your faith". The balance is, that you won't recieve the answer to your prayer right away alot of times. God will use various trials to make you a stronger person, but God isn't in the business of torture. Another balance would be if you ignored God and kept on sinning, and when you reap you harvest, it says in proverbs that He won't even listen to your prayers. Thats why when Prophets prayed and fasted, they also confessed sins.
If your not seeing specific answered prayers on a regular bases, then there is something wrong.
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What happens? I keep standing in faith. 1 Cor 2:5 "that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God". Eph 6:13 "wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand"
I keep believing that God is faithful. Even when things don't work out the way I want.
Well, a pat answer to this is NO. But there really is no pat answer. There are many reasons that the manifestation of healing is refused by the flesh.
Does the fact that the manifestation of healing does not happen mean that God made them sick? Sickness comes on us for many reasons. God uses sickness but He is not the author of it.
It's not my place or anyone else's to decide the reason behind peoples dying or being sick, or crippled or any other sin (Adamic) induced calamity.
I do however, believe that all believers have authority over our enemy satan and his demons. We do not have to succumb to the rules of sin and the horrors that the heathen experience with death.
If Christ does not return first, I expect to grow old and eventually die, "it is appointed unto man, once to die". However, it does not have to be a horrible experience.
I believe that I am already healed, just like I am already saved. IS 53:5 says "He was wounded for my transgressions, bruised for my iniquities, and by His stripes I am healed."
I'd like to reword your question: What is going ot happen to your faith when the manifestation of healing does not happen? Well . . . I've been there, done that. You can read about here : http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=320592#post320592
Well . . .being that Jesus is coming soon, that's not really that safe of a bet.
Old age is not a sickness. If I've done everything God's called me to do and I can say 'I've run the race, I've finished the course', I'll be quite content to leave this world. But I don't have to be sick or die in some horrible accident to do it. Or maybe, like Paul, I'll be priviledged enough to be able to lay my life down, for the gospel. I don't know. But I don't plan on allowing the enemy taking me out before it's time.
As followers of Christ, we can expect to experience many trials and tribulations. In many forms. And it is expected that we be overcomers of these trials and tribulations, in all their forms. It is not acceptable that they overcome us.
I'm preparing to leave this world today, by learning to walk in obedience to God and His Word, and trusting that what He says is the truth, no matter what the circumstances say.
When my appointed time to die comes, I plan to die believing that He heals. I plan to never turn from God. Giving up is not an option I give myself. I plan for my faith to increase. All the way up to the moment I see Him face to face . . .no matter how it happens.
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Quaffer,
I think you'll love what FF Bosworth's son said abt his father's faith in praying for the sick. I quote from the classic book Christ the Healer:
"When he [FF Bosworth] discovered this truth, he vowed to God that he wld never again base his faith and doctrine on human experience or man's teaching. He wld base his faith only on what GOd said in his Word. He would pray for the sick only on that basis; if they dropped dead when he prayed for them, he would step over the dead body and pray for the next one."
we shldnt let human experiences and personal testimonies detract us from God's unchanging Word.
And if Jesus tarries, may this be the way we go too:
"In 1958 Fred Bosworth returned from a year of meetings up and down the mountains of Japan. In January he turned 81. His family was surprised to see him retire to his bed. When asked what he was doing, he explained that God had shown him that he had "finished his course," his ministry was finished, and it was time to go Home. He said, "I sure don't want to hang around down here!" All the children came home, for the first time in 16 years, and there was a great final reunion.
"My father, F F Bosworth, had prayed, asking God to help him glorify God in his death as he had in his life -- to die without sickness. About three weeks after he took to his bed, we were around the bed talking, laughing, singing. Suddenly Dad looked up; he never saw us again. He saw what was invisible to us. He began to greet people and hug people -- he was enraptured. Every once in a while he would break off and look around saying, "Oh, it is so beautiful."
"He did this for several hours. Finally, with a smile on his face, he put his head back and slept. We took turns sitting with him. My wife Stella, was sitting with him when she suddenly realised that he had stopped breathing. There had been no struggle, no pain, no sound, no death rattle. The psalmist had described it correctly - God had simply removed his breath and he was home! "0 death, where is thy sting? 0 grave, where is thy victory?" This is the testimony and ultimate triumph of F F Bosworth and CHRIST, THE HEALER."
I think you'll love what FF Bosworth's son said abt his father's faith in praying for the sick. I quote from the classic book Christ the Healer:
"When he [FF Bosworth] discovered this truth, he vowed to God that he wld never again base his faith and doctrine on human experience or man's teaching. He wld base his faith only on what GOd said in his Word. He would pray for the sick only on that basis; if they dropped dead when he prayed for them, he would step over the dead body and pray for the next one."
we shldnt let human experiences and personal testimonies detract us from God's unchanging Word.
And if Jesus tarries, may this be the way we go too:
"In 1958 Fred Bosworth returned from a year of meetings up and down the mountains of Japan. In January he turned 81. His family was surprised to see him retire to his bed. When asked what he was doing, he explained that God had shown him that he had "finished his course," his ministry was finished, and it was time to go Home. He said, "I sure don't want to hang around down here!" All the children came home, for the first time in 16 years, and there was a great final reunion.
"My father, F F Bosworth, had prayed, asking God to help him glorify God in his death as he had in his life -- to die without sickness. About three weeks after he took to his bed, we were around the bed talking, laughing, singing. Suddenly Dad looked up; he never saw us again. He saw what was invisible to us. He began to greet people and hug people -- he was enraptured. Every once in a while he would break off and look around saying, "Oh, it is so beautiful."
"He did this for several hours. Finally, with a smile on his face, he put his head back and slept. We took turns sitting with him. My wife Stella, was sitting with him when she suddenly realised that he had stopped breathing. There had been no struggle, no pain, no sound, no death rattle. The psalmist had described it correctly - God had simply removed his breath and he was home! "0 death, where is thy sting? 0 grave, where is thy victory?" This is the testimony and ultimate triumph of F F Bosworth and CHRIST, THE HEALER."
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Originally posted by Andrew
Quaffer,
I think you'll love what FF Bosworth's son said abt his father's faith in praying for the sick. I quote from the classic book Christ the Healer:
"When he [FF Bosworth] discovered this truth, he vowed to God that he wld never again base his faith and doctrine on human experience or man's teaching. He wld base his faith only on what GOd said in his Word. He would pray for the sick only on that basis; if they dropped dead when he prayed for them, he would step over the dead body and pray for the next one."
we shldnt let human experiences and personal testimonies detract us from God's unchanging Word.
And if Jesus tarries, may this be the way we go too:
"In 1958 Fred Bosworth returned from a year of meetings up and down the mountains of Japan. In January he turned 81. His family was surprised to see him retire to his bed. When asked what he was doing, he explained that God had shown him that he had "finished his course," his ministry was finished, and it was time to go Home. He said, "I sure don't want to hang around down here!" All the children came home, for the first time in 16 years, and there was a great final reunion.
"My father, F F Bosworth, had prayed, asking God to help him glorify God in his death as he had in his life -- to die without sickness. About three weeks after he took to his bed, we were around the bed talking, laughing, singing. Suddenly Dad looked up; he never saw us again. He saw what was invisible to us. He began to greet people and hug people -- he was enraptured. Every once in a while he would break off and look around saying, "Oh, it is so beautiful."
"He did this for several hours. Finally, with a smile on his face, he put his head back and slept. We took turns sitting with him. My wife Stella, was sitting with him when she suddenly realised that he had stopped breathing. There had been no struggle, no pain, no sound, no death rattle. The psalmist had described it correctly - God had simply removed his breath and he was home! "0 death, where is thy sting? 0 grave, where is thy victory?" This is the testimony and ultimate triumph of F F Bosworth and CHRIST, THE HEALER."
Wow Andrew, thanks for sharing that part from the book. I've got to go dig it out of my library, I read it several years ago, and read it again.
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OKAy I have an idea. Lets do a mission to Haiti. Lets go to Haiti and preach the word or faith. Lets teach the haitians that if they want a BMW all they have to do is name it and claim it and they will have it. Then we can teach the haitians that the reason why they have sickness is because of their lack of faith . . . wouldn't that be a splendid mission trip . . . 
Is it any wonder the word of faith movement is non-existant in the third world? They just don't have enough faith to make it work . . . .
Is it any wonder the word of faith movement is non-existant in the third world? They just don't have enough faith to make it work . . . .
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Originally posted by Br. Max
OKAy I have an idea. Lets do a mission to Haiti. Lets go to Haiti and preach the word or faith. Lets teach the haitians that if they want a BMW all they have to do is name it and claim it and they will have it. Then we can teach the haitians that the reason why they have sickness is because of their lack of faith . . . wouldn't that be a splendid mission trip . . .
Please, Bro Max,
Point out the part of Andrews and my comments that taught such rubbish. Neither of us, as far as I can see said what you just implied we said
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you might not see that portion in your book becos I got the latest edition. not sure if the old edition has it. but its a great book aint it!
*LOL that's so ignorant and naive. and so what if it was, doesnt change the truths presented.
http://www.walkinginpower.org/
http://www.wordoffaith.org.za/
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The only thing I have to say about this subject is
1. God isn't a candy machine
2. God sometimes says no to healing.
1. God isn't a candy machine
2. God sometimes says no to healing.
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Quaffie,
I posted a spin-off to this over here:
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/34588.html
do join in if you can.
I posted a spin-off to this over here:
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/34588.html
do join in if you can.
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