Hymns are boring full of outdated tunes. I much prefer more contempoary modern rock tunes. William Booth once said why should the Devil have all the best tunes and songs?
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Apart from questionable theology in some of those lyrics, as a music fan I object to contemporary stuff because of what a bore it is.Hymns are boring full of outdated tunes. I much prefer more contempoary modern rock tunes. William Booth once said why should the Devil have all the best tunes and songs?
it depends on whether the style of music dominates the lyrics or not. Where lyrics are drowned out by loud electric guitars, drums, etc., so that people don't know what they're listening to, and the rhythm has an emotional hyping up effect, then it departs from the spirit into the soulish area.There's also another old saying, "Having your cake and eating it too."
If Amazing Grace gets a free pass because of lyrics, then why can't other songs with good lyrics in a rock / blues style also get a free pass?
Does that then also apply to the nature of the followers? Actually I guess modern mega churches are more about hype than substance. I'll bet they even play the right/left game contrary to Jesus' teachings, not just politically but pitting NT writers against each other.Quite apart from how meaningless, vacuous and hollow I find it to be
I can't speculate on that. I can't remember if I've ever discussed this with you but my sense is that most people actually do quite well with meat and potatoes faith.Does that then also apply to the nature of the followers? Actually I guess modern mega churches are more about hype than substance. I'll bet they even play the right/left game contrary to Jesus' teachings, not just politically but pitting NT writers against each other.
Wasn't meaning to be snarky but reading back I understand it does read that way. So I apologize. My brain was thinking across several other threads as well, but you would have had to be in my head to see the connections.
For what it's worth, we saw Crowder a couple of weeks ago. He ended his set with the song you posted - quite a bit of fun.
Thanks! I found lyrics
Baba yetu
Christopher Tin
Baba yetu, yetu uliye (Our, our Father who are)
Mbinguni yetu, yetu, amina (In heaven, our, our, amen)
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye (Our, our Father, who are)
Jina lako litukuzwe (Let's glorify your name)
Baba yetu, yetu uliye (Our, our Father who are)
Mbinguni yetu, yetu, amina (In heaven, our, our, amen)
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye (Our, our Father, who are)
Jina lako litukuzwe (Let's glorify your name)
Utupe leo chakula chetu (Give us today our food)
Tunachohitaji utusamehe (We need you to forgive us)
Makosa yetu, hey (Our errors, hey)
Kama nasi tunavyowasamehe (As we do forgive those)
Waliotukosea, usitutie (Who did us wrong, don't put us)
Katika majaribu, lakini (Into trials, but)
Utuokoe, na yule, milele na milele (Save us, with him, for ever and ever)
Baba yetu, yetu uliye (Our, our Father who are)
Mbinguni yetu, yetu, amina (In heaven, our, our, amen)
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye (Our, our Father, who are)
Jina lako litukuzwe (Let's glorify your name)
Baba yetu, yetu uliye (Our, our Father who are)
Mbinguni yetu, yetu, amina (In heaven, our, our, amen)
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye (Our, our Father, who are)
Jina lako litukuzwe (Let's glorify your name)
Ufalme wako ufike utakalo (Your kingdom come that it be)
Lifanyike duniani kama mbinguni, amina (done on earth as in heaven, amen)
Baba yetu, yetu uliye (Our, our Father who are)
Mbinguni yetu, yetu, amina (In heaven, our, our, amen)
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye (Our, our Father, who are)
Jina lako litukuzwe (Let's glorify your name)
Baba yetu, yetu uliye (Our, our Father who are)
Mbinguni yetu, yetu, amina (In heaven, our, our, amen)
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye (Our, our Father, who are)
Jina lako litukuzwe (Let's glorify your name)
Utupe leo chakula chetu (Give us today our food)
Tunachohitaji utusamehe (We need you to forgive us)
Makosa yetu, hey (Our errors, hey)
Kama nasi tunavyowasamehe (As we do forgive those)
Waliotukosea, usitutie (Who did us wrong, don't put us)
Katika majaribu, lakini (Into trials, but)
Utuokoe na yule msiba milele (Save us from this distress for ever)
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye (Our, our Father, who are)
Jina lako litukuzwe (Let's glorify your name)
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye (Our, our Father, who are)
Jina lako litukuzwe (Let's glorify your name)
I can't speculate on that. I can't remember if I've ever discussed this with you but my sense is that most people actually do quite well with meat and potatoes faith.
What I mean is that they don't need anything frilly or special. Tell them about Our Lord and Him crucified, they'll believe it and they'll generally get with the program, religiously speaking.
Some people need a lot more than that. However, most don't. So on that basis, perhaps a 3 minute CCM song which I find utterly meaningless and devoid of value buoys their faith from one day to the next. I would be the last to condemn them for that sort of thing.
My objection is, was and will always be that I see absolutely, positively no value for myself in CCM. Give me Gregorian chants any day of the week, thx.
But if others get something out of this insipid CCM nonsense, well, who am I to judge?
I have moved from a local charismatic Baptist church to my local Parish church because I cannot stand churches that have worship bands playing this modern contempory ''Pop/Rock'' Christian worship songs.
I am officially a member of The Church Of England anyway,as I was brought up into it,was ''Christened'' as a baby and later when I came to faith I was ''Confirmed''.The Baptist church were also too over the top for me with their beliefs and they were putting pressure on me to be a member and also wanted me to have a proper Biblical baptism by Full Immersion.That would be wrong as ive been christened as a baby..also there is no reverence for God with this ''Pop/Rock'' type of modern contempory worship songs churches seem to be going for these days.Call me an old fashioned old fogey if you like,but i'm 67 now and I prefer a ''proper'' church service with the Liturgy.. I love the old hymns,the church choir and organ,but the Baptist church say that kind of worship is old fashioned,so ive left after sticking it two years and have gone back ''Home'' to my Traditional local Church Of England church and its so lovely to be back..i felt like I was in a ''Rock Concert'' at the Baptist church as it was all this modern worships songs with drums,guitars,keyboards,flute etc and flashing coloured lights over the stage which would change different colours during worship..i just got fed up of it and didn't feel like i'd been to church at all...so here I am back at my local Cofe church & its great to be back.
Does anyone else feel the same way? & prefers old Traditional hymns and a choir and organ and the Liturgy rather than been in a church which has Rock worship bands that play this modern contempory stuff.Would you rather attend a Church Of England church that has remained Traditional in its worship rather than gone all ''Happy Clappy''or do you like churches that use worship bands playing contempory modern worship songs..churches like Baptist,Pentecostal,Charismatic etc,or are you like me,prefering a liturgical Cofe church with a choir and the organ?
Do you think Contempory worship music with worship bands has any place in the church?
Even Christian radio such as UCB 2 & 1 and Premier play this noisy Christian contempory music so I don't listen to Christian radio..i stick with Angel Vintage or Classic FM,both on dab or online.Surely not EVERYONE likes this so called modern contempory Christian worship music...maybe they use it to attract the young people.
Apart from questionable theology in some of those lyrics, as a music fan I object to contemporary stuff because of what a bore it is.
The best satire includes truth. On that basis, this video is amazingly good satire.
A good guideline for music in corporate worship:
- If an atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, Jew, Mormon, and Jehovah's Witness can listen to the song and not feel offended, it isn't a Christian song.
- If it fits the criteria that determines it to be a Christian song, but the song is focused more on ourselves and our feelings, it is not to be used for corporate worship.
I have never come across anything comtempoary with questionable theology in its lyrics. The only gripe i have about this style of music is those Worship bands who think its great to keep on repeating the same old verse over and over again
Old hyms although have nice words the tunes are pretty naff. In the Salvation Army we have brass bands which make these tunes sound a little better than singing to somebody playing the organ or plonking the piano.
I am a fan of the Graham Kendrick style of Songs although some of those are a little outdated.
I also like a lot of the Doug Horley kids music, awesome stuff.
God is the point, not you.
If I could try to translate what I think is meant:
The meaning is we feel that church should make a difference, so that we don't leave feeling empty, as if nothing good happened to us.
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