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Featured Does anyone else Hate Christian Contempory Pop Rock type of music ?

Discussion in 'Denomination Specific Theology' started by Hazel D. Wykes, Mar 23, 2019.

  1. Hazel D. Wykes

    Hazel D. Wykes New Member

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    I have moved from a local charismatic Baptist church to my local Parish church because I cannot stand churches that have worship bands playing this modern contempory ''Pop/Rock'' Christian worship songs.
    I am officially a member of The Church Of England anyway,as I was brought up into it,was ''Christened'' as a baby and later when I came to faith I was ''Confirmed''.The Baptist church were also too over the top for me with their beliefs and they were putting pressure on me to be a member and also wanted me to have a proper Biblical baptism by Full Immersion.That would be wrong as ive been christened as a baby..also there is no reverence for God with this ''Pop/Rock'' type of modern contempory worship songs churches seem to be going for these days.Call me an old fashioned old fogey if you like,but i'm 67 now and I prefer a ''proper'' church service with the Liturgy.. I love the old hymns,the church choir and organ,but the Baptist church say that kind of worship is old fashioned,so ive left after sticking it two years and have gone back ''Home'' to my Traditional local Church Of England church and its so lovely to be back..i felt like I was in a ''Rock Concert'' at the Baptist church as it was all this modern worships songs with drums,guitars,keyboards,flute etc and flashing coloured lights over the stage which would change different colours during worship..i just got fed up of it and didn't feel like i'd been to church at all...so here I am back at my local Cofe church & its great to be back.
    Does anyone else feel the same way? & prefers old Traditional hymns and a choir and organ and the Liturgy rather than been in a church which has Rock worship bands that play this modern contempory stuff.Would you rather attend a Church Of England church that has remained Traditional in its worship rather than gone all ''Happy Clappy''or do you like churches that use worship bands playing contempory modern worship songs..churches like Baptist,Pentecostal,Charismatic etc,or are you like me,prefering a liturgical Cofe church with a choir and the organ?
    Do you think Contempory worship music with worship bands has any place in the church?
    Even Christian radio such as UCB 2 & 1 and Premier play this noisy Christian contempory music so I don't listen to Christian radio..i stick with Angel Vintage or Classic FM,both on dab or online.Surely not EVERYONE likes this so called modern contempory Christian worship music...maybe they use it to attract the young people.
     
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  2. Anthony2019

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    I was brought up in the Church of England right from an early age, so have a great fondness for hymns, liturgy and some of the traditions of the church. I also like the fact that the church is very broad and open to change. I have visited and taken part in many different services of different denominations: Anglican, Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Pentecostal, Salvation Army, and have learned that people worship the same God in different ways.
    In our church, we have a very wide variety of services of different styles. We have the traditional spoken communion service with the Book of Common Prayer, a service using Common Worship using with traditional hymns and an evening service with more spontaneous prayer and using more contemporary worship songs. I personally prefer quieter services the majority of the time (because I'm generally a quiet person!) but always happy to try out different expressions of worship.
     
  3. Ignatius the Kiwi

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    If it's not a two hour long high liturgy with excessive chanting, the congregation standing and sitting at various times and short sermon, it isn't Church. At least that's how I feel.

    In seriousness I don't like Christian rock and I don't think I could ever be comfortable in a Church that did that sort of service. The standard arguments against this seem to me intuitively true, that this sort of Church music wants to induce emotional reactions instead of a deep pondering of what is actually being said.

    I've never found the Divine liturgy to be overly emotionally stimulating but whenever I'm there I am glad to be there and part of the worship. To think on the words and parts of the gospel that I might otherwise forget. Worship is not necessarily something we do to make ourselves feel good, it is first and foremost to the glory of God.
     
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  4. Danielwright2311

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    I do not like rock music on praise, it takes away from the whole praise to God, but I will say this.

    Psalm 150

    The last Psalm of all of the book of Psalms

    1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in thefirmament of his power.
    2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
    3 Praise him with the sound of thetrumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
    4 Praise him with thetimbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
    5Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high soundingcymbals.
    6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.
     
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  5. JAYPT

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    Hazel,

    I think you will get a wide variety of answers here. Some will be based on denomination and rule keeping and traditions that they are trying to adhere to. Others will tell you that they like to be entertained when at church unfortunately. I dont think there is any "wrong" way to sing a song however much can get lost in creating a "feeling" and much of the Christian music made today is not based on scripture but on a feeling and trying to sound humble. I enjoy some of the modern Christian music today however some if it is just way off base.

    Glad to hear you are in a place you enjoy.
     
  6. timothyu

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    It is not the style of music, it is the motive. Psalms were sung with back-up harp bands, traditional hymns set to string and pipe organ of the time. Today it goes electric with jungle beat. The reasoning behind the style is more telling.

    You have to go back to the late 70's early 80's where performers who couldn't quite cut it as mainstream performers had three alternate choices, country, Jesus rock or quit altogether. Jesus rock allowed them to at least keep their sequinned jumpsuits and bland 70's pop style but most of the early music was taking top 40 tunes and changing the lyrics.

    But just as every kid today thinks media fame is a career option, many up and coming musicians saw this as an opportunity to rake in the money in a rapidly growing fundamentalist movement in the Reagan years, playing church arenas and Amw*y conventions. Pretty soon it became overburdened, as is the secular music world today, with wannabe groups seeking the almighty dollar, but the commercialization of that brand of capitalistic religion was complete. If you want a copy of this post you can purchase a cd of it in the church foyer.
     
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  7. Halbhh

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    I think I know what you mean -- it can be a real problem sometimes.

    I think my most favorite kind of worship is different at different times, but more than even my favorite songs I love the wonderful seeking the Lord in silence -- as churches often do for instance on Good Friday, or at moments in services -- is such a good kind of worship I often like more than any other kind, more than any music. (I'd rather have the silence than even the best music, in those moments)

    For me now, the words themselves are so much more central than the type of music, it would have to be very unhelpful a type to cancel out the words, if they are good words. Even the musical forms I once avoided and would go out to avoid hearing, like country and western -- even that kind is ok now not only for some old familiar classics from childhood, but also even as a main music in a church service I think I could tolerate country and western for a service if the words are true to the scripture.

    If you asked which of all the musical forms though I like most (instead of the central key thing of the words of the song) -- that often changes, but perhaps the one I like the best the most reliably at any time is the classic gregorian chant choirs from many centuries ago, which are just wonderful voice-only harmonies.

    While I find modern rock music far less beautiful as music than those Gregorian chant forms of music, I also love many other forms, like choir singing, the great hymns, and lately also Psalms sung through, and song composed from Psalms also. I've become where the music hardly matters if it is just done in a way that supports the words being sung. It's like I can filter out the music if I don't like it, but can hear the music if I do like it, and it helps the song. But if you took a music type I loved, and then put badly worded words with it, for me that is worse than fingernails screeching on chalkboard, and all the music stops in my mind if the words are wrong.
     
  8. timothyu

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    It's a repeat of the 50's where the white folk stole the black style of music and and in this case worship. And they still don't have the spiritual rhythm.
     
  9. seeking.IAM

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    Yes. I think its poor theology is exceeded only by its poor musicality.
     
  10. Silverback

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    It's not my thing really, some people prefer it though. As long as the word is proclaimed, and the sermon is presented well, and we pray, the music, and the happy flappy hands in the air stuff is ok.

    I prefer liturgy, corporate confession, standard prayers, and communion.

    Our services are straight out the hymnal, which contains our orders of service.

    I have attended Catholic Liturgy, Orthodox Divine Liturgy, Anglican Liturgy, and of course, Lutheran.

    The most beautiful are in the Book of Common Prayer. If the Episcopal Church had stayed conservative, or even right leaning moderate, that is where I would have landed.
     
  11. MariaJLM

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    I agree with you. I'm not into contemporary styles of worship at all. God deserves to be taken more seriously than that.
     
  12. Halbhh

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    I found I enjoy both our traditional Lutheran service, liturgy, and the contemporary, in our church we joined 8 years ago (my first Lutheran church I'd ever walked into). We have combined services in the summers, and since my wife is in the contemporary band and also the traditional quoir, it's easy for me to attend either service (or both sometimes), so that I get a lot of traditional services every year. I really like them. It's true that some of the songs just don't work for me, and some work great, but that's identical to the contemporary service. Other than the music, our 2 services have a lot in common, are almost identical if you don't count the procession. But one thing I really love in the traditional is that 3rd (or 4th) reading, often a psalm! Love that! Now, see, to me, there isn't a certain kind of church services that feels right to my...self, since as we grew up we moved many times, and my mother would always take me to the nearest church. She didn't care about denomination type. Imagine, if you can. So, at least 7 denominations I've been in at least 3 full services where I was truly paying full attention, and I can testify there is almost no difference among them in the crucial way of preaching from the bible (keeping in mind of course that difference pastors at times do better or worse), but a lot of difference in their forms (This included Episcopal, Methodist, Church of Christ, Church of God (pentecostal), and in time I also myself included Catholic, Quaker, and some others). So, not having a certain form that is my childhood form that I feel the most comfortable in, instead I only have all these forms together, and the Bible, see. But this Lutheran church is very good in it's liturgy, with the readings from scripture, the often good sermons, the preaching from the gospels, the powerful words of institution in communion, and I know communion works here powerfully.... I feel very at home here, but...I could feel very at home in many kinds of churches it seems. When we go into the next Life, we will be with all our brothers and sisters. We can only guess at how many types of praise might be included and somehow extended into something even higher, and it seems to me in my guessing it would not be like it is here (not Lutheran sounds, not any sounds here), but better. :)
     
  13. Oscarr

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    It's a compromise with the world in the vain hope that this type of music will attract more youth into our churches. In actual fact, rock music has pagan origins and the pagan rhythms were designed to hype worshipers up into an emotional state to allow the pagan demons to be activated. When it entered American society as secular rock and roll, it had the same effect on people - whether they thought they were worshiping pagan gods or not.

    A startling development attached to this type of music that changed the style of worship music in the churches was the change from music and lyrics directed to God, His greatness, and the gospel as the content of the hymns, to expressing how people feel emotionally when they worship. It went from "we bless God for who He is and what He has done for us", to "Lord bless me as I worship you."

    I have a Christian FM radio station on my clock/radio to wake me up in the morning. I notice that a lot of the music is repetitive in its structure, and the lyrics lack depth, and in some cases the lyrics cannot be heard clearly at all.

    I have been on the ministry team in two Charismatic services, and the electrified music and the music leader yelling through the microphone, were so loud, that I couldn't hear the person's prayer requests, and had to give up. The loudness of the music and the microphone was actually hindering the ministry for those coming forward for prayer!

    Leonard Ravenhill was right. "As the world goes, so goes the church!"
     
  14. MariaJLM

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    What you say about rock music is simply false. Also, here's something to think about: Young people are returning to traditional faith practices Granted, it's specifically Catholicism, but there's a trend in many faith groups of young people returning to traditional practices rather than going for the contemporary stuff.
     
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  15. Oscarr

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    If you study the types of rhythm that exists in African paganism and Voodoo ceremonies, you will see that these are the same basic rhythms found in much of rock music. Rock music, whether secular or Christian caters for the soul more than it does to the spirit.

    David Wilkerson handles the subject in his article "Driven to Darkness"
    "Driven To Darkness" by David Wilkerson, founding pastor of Times Square Church, New York City - August 3, 1987
     
  16. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of His Creation! Supporter

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    My grandparents went to a Church of Christ for decades, and I would stay with them over 2 months every summer growing up, and we'd attend 3 services a week. I guess I attended well over 300 services.

    They had no instruments (unless you count the song leader occasionally pulling out a tone device to sound the right key before starting the song).

    I wonder if this is why the Church of Christ banned instruments. I always kinda knew it wasn't necessary to ban instruments, but I can understand the fear of any possible avenue of the wrong, and there can be no doubt that sometimes wrong enters churches, and in so many different ways, and musical form could also be a way at times if the words become too far from scripture (no matter the musical form), in addition to the others.

    Having very close remembering of the lyrics of our hymns there, such as How Great Thou Art, Amazing Grace, and so many all would recognize as the main mainstream Hymns of most churches, I can testify to you that our contemporary band plays a variety of music forms in our contemporary service (different church, different time, this one Lutheran), but the words are not shallow. And usually, they are direct phrases from scripture one can recognize if they have read fully through the Bible (though one caught me by surprise, as it was from a psalm I had not read in a very long time). So, I hope that's encouraging on that point.

    But in contrast there are indeed some songs where it's not clear at all the words are from scripture, or lined up with scripture, but it's not always easy to tell, because of paraphrasing. King and Country has a great song called "The Proof of Your Love", and unless a person knows 1 Cor 13 well, they might wonder if it's just made up stuff, but also if a person knows 1 Cor 13 well, they will realize it's paraphrase also. It's a good example of contemporary music that is pretty deep, but if you listened also to King and Country on another song like "It's not Over Yet", would it seem deep?

    In case someone wants to hear it (or one can just search up the lyrics alone):

    lyrics:
    If I sing but don't have love
    I waste my breath with every song
    I bring an empty voice, a hollow noise
    If I speak with a silver tongue
    Convince a crowd but don't have love
    I leave a bitter taste with every word I say
    So let my life be the proof,
    The proof of your love
    Let my love look like You and what You're made of
    How You lived, how You died
    Love is sacrifice
    So let my life be the proof,
    The proof of Your love
    If I give
    To a needy soul but don't have love then who is poor?
    It seems all the poverty is found in me
    So let my life be the proof,
    The proof of Your love
    Let my love look like You and what You're made of
    How You lived, how You died
    Love is sacrifice
    Oh, let my life be the proof,
    The proof of Your love
    When it's all said and done
    When we sing our final song
    Only love remains
    Only love remains
    Let my life be the proof,
    The proof of Your love
    Let my love look like You and what You're made of
    How You lived, how You died
    Love is sacrifice
    So let my life be the proof,
    The proof of Your love"
    Lyrics, Proof of Your Love, King and Country

    Compare with
    1 Corinthians 13 NIV


    In contrast:

    This song is like a lot of contemporary music on the radio: encouraging, but not complex, and only partly recognizable as a paraphrase (of Paul saying run till the race is done).
     
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  17. thecolorsblend

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    The contemporary stuff does nothing for me.

     
  18. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of His Creation! Supporter

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    Our great hymns we all know are themselves the Greatest Hits over centuries of time.

    Of course, if you take the best of the best....

    That's gonna be some pretty good songs.

    But God didn't stop making people that are able to write under the true inspiration of the Spirit, and create a new one.
     
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  19. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of His Creation! Supporter

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    What I'd like if church music were up to me without other people to be concerned about, is the musical form of Gregorian Chants (but in English). While I know I'd love this, I also know some other brothers and sisters that would have had enough after about one service, and would be happier to go back to hymns they are used to.

    Though I can listen to Gregorian Chants and similar styles as I like.

    (One of the most lovely I heard only 15 or 20 seconds of, and couldn't find out what it was, nor could even professional church music friends either, and I'm left with just a longing to hear more, without a way to it).
     
  20. thecolorsblend

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    This is elegant, sophisticated and in no way contemporary.

    But it's still beautiful.

     
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