Of course, but this all assumes that Genesis is true. How does someone explain aging and death without Genesis? Why do our bodies stop working? Why do we all age at the same rate and die around 100-120 years?
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Of course, but this all assumes that Genesis is true. How does someone explain aging and death without Genesis? Why do our bodies stop working? Why do we all age at the same rate and die around 100-120 years?Natural death occurs when the bodies ability to repair itself, fight off disease etc. is overtaken by breakdown. Adam and Eves ability to sustain life indefinatly came from the Tree of Life, but after the sin natural death of their mortal bodies was their fate.
Death is normal, this world never was to be our permanent home.
False dichotomy. Random variation and natural selection as a process is no barrier to divine providence.How did we come into existence? God and His power, or random mutation and natural selection?
As usual, bald assertion rather than explanation or discussion. For example, what is your explanation for the change of voicing in that verse which would ordinarily indicate a parenthetical insertion, rather than the direct speech of God?Was it as written in Genesis, or as the teachers of this age say?
The historic and literal approach to Genesis is not an interpretation: it is how the book was written. Nowhere in Genesis is there any indication that the creation story was not literal, as God Himself speaks to Israel saying this:
Exodus 20:11
"For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."
Well, I don't really expect you to believe God's word either. There are many deceived people all puffed up in their worldly wisdom. I am always skeptical of those who call themselves Christians but deny the word of God, but it is for another thread I suppose.False dichotomy. Random variation and natural selection as a process is no barrier to divine providence.
As usual, bald assertion rather than explanation or discussion. For example, what is your explanation for the change of voicing in that verse which would ordinarily indicate a parenthetical insertion, rather than the direct speech of God?
Don't worry, I don't really expect one.
Why is it natural though? Cells have no reason to start shutting down.It appears to be a natural cycle.
Oh my goodness! Are we going to see all the mangy old apologetic dogs and ponies? We've already had the "Jesus is not a liar" argument. Now we have the "genealogy" argument. I can't credit that you find them convincing yourselves, why should we?I believe that Jesus genealogy mentioned in both Luke and Mathew of his mother and his legal but not biological father traced back to king David then back to the first created man Adam is accurate , do you ? Did Jesus ? How do you interpret that ?
Adams sin bought death. Otherwise Adam would have seen no death because he was God's perfect creation.Do you believe Adam would have died had he not eat of the tree with the forbidden fruit ?
As discussed earlier in this thread, there may be good evolutionary causes behind limited life spans. It is the survival of the species, not the individual, which is critical for evolution.Why is it natural though? Cells have no reason to start shutting down.
So is death and aging the product of evolution in your view?As discussed earlier in this thread, there may be good evolutionary causes behind limited life spans. It is the survival of the species, not the individual, which is critical for evolution.
Yes. I take the Garden story in Genesis to be an etiological narrative intended to explain how we acquired the self-aware intelligence (not possessed by the other creatures) which allow us to contemplate the consequences of our actions and to contemplate our own mortality as well. Or, as St. Paul would have it, how sin and death came into the world.So is death and aging the product of evolution in your view?
Do you believe that death evolved as a necessity, even though species and individuals could have lived much longer? I'm asking this in response to your previous post where you said survival of the species--not the individual--is critical for evolution. You said limited life spans could have evolutionary causes.Yes. I take the Garden story in Genesis to be an etiological narrative intended to explain how we acquired the self-aware intelligence (not possessed by the other creatures) which allow us to contemplate the consequences of our actions and to contemplate our own mortality as well. Or, as St. Paul would have it, how sin and death came into the world.
I don't believe it had anything at all to do with the mere cessation of biological life.
Well obviously. I believe in Genesis and it says that God shortened our lifespans to 120 years... Do you believe that our lifespans are the result of evolution?The answer to your question is that it's by design. We live on average long enough to have children and raise them. Other life forms seem to be designed to follow this same cycle.
I believe evolution is Gods technique of creation. Evolution contains within it the purposive potential of Gods unfolding plan. I believe Adam and Eve were an incarnate pair which were to be the worlds new spiritual rulers after the previous fall of the beast.Well obviously. I believe in Genesis and it says that God shortened our lifespans to 120 years... Do you believe that our lifespans are the result of evolution?
Where do you get your belief from?I believe evolution is Gods technique of creation. Evolution contains within it the purposive potential of Gods unfolding plan. I believe Adam and Eve were an incarnate pair which were to be the worlds new spiritual rulers after the previous fall of the beast.
Well, I've always seen the earth as very old. Then there is the fossil evidence in the layers, so death has been around since life began. Gen has lots of odd parts and pieces like Cain's fear of people out in the world away from his parents tribe.Where do you get your belief from?
Do you believe death has always been? Or is death the result of sin in Genesis 3?Then there is the fossil evidence in the layers, so death has been around since life began
I think you are trying to say that the Bible doesn't attempt to explain where those other people came from, and that's because no explanation is needed: it doesn't take a genius to understand that those people are descendants of Adam and Eve. That's for another thread, though.Gen has lots of odd parts and pieces like Cain's fear of people out in the world away from his parents tribe.
It doesn't matter which thread it is. Creation/evolution discussions always come down to the same thing: arrogant assertions and slander.Well, I don't really expect you to believe God's word either. There are many deceived people all puffed up in their worldly wisdom. I am always skeptical of those who call themselves Christians but deny the word of God, but it is for another thread I suppose.
How do you justify your belief that Genesis was not meant to be interpreted literally?It doesn't matter which thread it is. Creation/evolution discussions always come down to the same thing: arrogant assertions and slander.
Despite your condescending attitude, your strutting pride, no one in this discussion is "denying the Word of God."
We are merely discussing interpretation.
Evidence internal to the texts, for the most part. Most of it is historical narrative in one form or another, but any time historical narrative is attempted (even now) there is tension between the "facts" and the narrative structure. Basically, the degree to which facts are allowed to stand in the way of a good story has varied considerably over time and place and the literary agenda of the author. Of course, you will say that God could not have inspired such a narrative, it must be 100% accurate literal history for you to allow it divine inspiration. But nobody wrote history like that then and nobody expected it and they thought it was "true" anyway.How do you justify your belief that Genesis was not meant to be interpreted literally?
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