Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
(Sadly, some creationist Christians are donating money to Hovind's legal defense fund.)
.
This is a GREAT EXAMPLE of a favorite propaganda technique for which Creation.com is famous. [Gradyll doesn't use quotation marks or in any way indicate that this is a copy-and-paste from a website.
The reader only figures this out when he realizes that not the numbered FIGURES in the text are not shown *and* when he moves his mouse over the link at the bottom of the post.
thats a straw man fallacy, simply because one creationist doesn't pay taxes doesn't typify ALL creationists. Strawman.
This is a GREAT EXAMPLE of a favorite
propaganda technique for which Creation.com is famous. [Gradyll
doesn't use quotation marks or in any way indicate that this is a
copy-and-paste from a website. The reader only figures this out when
he realizes that not the numbered FIGURES in the text are not shown
*and* when he moves his mouse over the link at the bottom of the post.
Notice also that Gradyll uses the title "Flood Explanation" at the top
of the post---setting up in the reader's mind that this is about
NOAH'S Flood when in fact the only relationship between the formation
and the article and Noah's Flood is that WATER MOVEMENT (of some sort)
does the eroding, including rain, snow, and water freezing in cracks.
Yes, much like sea-shells-on-mountains, to a creationist the "proof"
of a global flood is considered anything that involves WATER! Yes,
they set the bar extremely low.]
Notice how virtually EVERY creationist article, website, and forum
post includes the requisite "evil conspiracy theory" and "Danger
Will Robertson!!!" strategy. Gradyll's beings with: Devil's
Tower, another tool of the Devil to explain away the Flood. Of
course, all of the "creation science" industry entrepreneurs
discovered long ago that the best way to solicit money from donors was
to scare them with stories of how SATAN is behind the enemies
machinations and "genuine Christians" will invest their dollars in
stopping those fiends who conspire to destroy us! As the title
explains, the DEVIL HIMSELF is behind Devil's Tower because those evil
conspirators want to "explain away" the flood---even though Genesis
never claimed that the flood was global! (Doesn't matter. After all,
TRADITION is more important than what the Bible says.)
Geologists have a number of theories about HOW the Devil's Tower
formed but to my knowledge almost all of the theories involve water in
some form gradually eroding the sediments AROUND the igneous column
which is the tower. And in the "creation science" world, that
[conveniently] ALWAYS means the waters of Noah's Flood draining
away---despite the absence of evidence for such. Indeed, there are
MANY other explanations for why waters would be eroding the
sedimentary rock around the tower. But what I find particularly
humorous is that creationists employ this easy "It was the flood of
Noah!" solution even while failing to point out to the reader that the
various formations involve DIFFERENT rock strata around the world.
(That is, they don't line up as consistent strata.) And that is why
creationists RARELY identify the rock layer which represents the flood
"era". They KNOW that their "evidence" is inconsistent---and the
reader will ONLY be told the information that HELPS the young earth
creationist case, not the data which debunks it. Creation.com also
avoids telling the reader how OTHER creationists come up with
contradictory theories. (So they like to make it look like those
"atheist scientists can never agree on anything but "creation science"
has the answers.)
And readers who have some basic geology in their backgrounds
(especially if they know how creationists abuse terminology) will
notice that, as usual, the creationists have their own "pet
definitions" for UNIFORMITARIANISM and CATASTROPHISM. These make
convenient straw men which they can set up and then pretend that those
conspiring geologists have backed themselves into some imaged corner
where they are in a terrible quandary.
There's a lot of great Youtube videos which shred these kinds of
Creation.com pseudo-science articles. These "flood geology" articles
all follow similar scripts. But they NEVER tell their readers that
many of the men who pioneered the modern science of geology started
their field work fully expecting to confirm their personal religious
presuppositions that Noah's Flood had created the landscapes we see
today. Of course, this was understandable, seeing how such a HUGE
flood only a few thousand years ago would be sure to leave abundant
evidence virtually everywhere we look. So those Bible-toting early
scientists were baffled that not only did they find ZERO evidence of a
global flood, what they DID find told a VERY different story! Yes,
water often play a prominent role but they soon realized that a flood
environment leaves completely different remnants and land-forms then
did various kinds of oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, and glaciers, just
to name a few. Creationists like to pretend that every sign of water
in the past must have been NOAH'S floodwaters. But modern geology was
the result of those early field scientists seeing their
presuppositions totally destroyed.
Technically, it's a declarative statement, it's either true, or it's not.
Either creationists are, or are not, donating money to DAL and inmate Hovind's defense fund.
To my knowledge, they have.
He is being sarcastic. I am surprised you were confusing it with seriousness.Interesting.
So you think we'll be speaking Elizabethan English in Heaven?
None of my business, but why do you think we'll be speaking Elizabethan English over Jacobean?
Do you mind clarifying this?
I'm under the impression that Jacobean English is the language of the Divine.
.... How do you even got that from his post?thats a straw man fallacy, simply because one creationist doesn't pay taxes doesn't typify ALL creationists. Strawman.
.... How do you even got that from his post?
Why would you claim that the tower is
"little eroded?"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're really under the impression that a purely bookish, non-verbal Jacobean English is the language of the Divine. Nobody actually spoke the English of the KJV, just as nobody actually speaks (or spoke) the English of any other translation.I'm under the impression that Jacobean English is the language of the Divine.
Noah's flood is a shadow of the flood that was responsible for plate tectonics. Lyell's uniformitarianism replaced the catastrophic theory. Darwin tried to adapt gradualism to his theory. That was popular until punctuated equilibrium was developed by Gould with Niles Eldredge. Still that does not change that a world flood could have caused Plate Tectonics. What is your theory for the mechanism if you reject the flood theory? Here is the story:I'm always amazed when young earth creationists tell me that this is OBVIOUSLY a "proof" of Noah's Flood.
that because I empty a glass of water in the front yard in a pit, and at the same time empty a glass of water in the back yard, on a pile of rubbish, that this cannot be the same event? Simply because the strata is different layers? Thats silly! Water may erode, rain, flood on any strata that is exposed at the time! The strata in the grand canyon, and the strata on mount st. Helens will both recieve rain! It doesn't mean that that is a different rain storm, simply because one layer of dirt is different! I hope this was not your main point?
that was a comment made by the website, that I sourced. I actually did not make the claim. It is not a suggestion that because there was a slight flaw in logic or grammar that the whole argument is therefore fallacious? That would be a poisoning the well fallacy.
Good point. The tides are another good example. Some beaches erode, some build up with sand, others remain unchanged.
.... How do you even got that from his post?
So how does a flood produce hundreds of feet of limestone at the peak of a mountain? How does that work?
Based on what my youth pastor used to say, as the flood waters grew higher, all of the animals ran for higher ground. So apparently the little creatures whose bodies make limestone when they die all ran to the nearest mountain top. And that is why all of the world's limestone is at the top of mountains. (Isn't it? You are saying that's not true? Really? Sorry. Never mind.)
Where's the retaining wall for this local flood?When I was growing up in a conservative church, my youth pastor was a believer in a global flood but the senior pastor believed Noah's flood was in one region where all of Noah's people lived. So the young pastor had all of the scientific problems to fight against but the pastor didn't. A flood in one region doesn't have to fight against all of the obvious evidence that discredits a global flood.
But I think the youth pastor felt superior because his view required more faith to believe!
Where's the retaining wall for this local flood?
If the flood was local -- as some say the Bible says -- and if the flood lasted a year, as the Bible says it did; where did the water come from?
Wouldn't it had to have cascaded over a retaining wall into the Mesopotamian region; then stayed there for months and months?
The Mesopotamian region would have to have been a crater, if the flood was just a local one.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?